[UKPP] A BEF Problem
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This on the forum here: http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=82606&p=1328264#p1328139 and seeing as most eUKers don't frequent the forum we thought we would bring it in-game to you. This could affect us all in the eUK and as such we should all be in on the discussion.
A problem shared is a problem halved so they say!
Bigant has tasked me with finding out how we can supply the BEF with Q7 weapons, and so I've gone away, thought, done sums (thanks Count Drakula for your help!) and come up with the following conclusions and options.
1: Buying Q7 companies is totally out of the question, we can't afford them
2: Borrowing our citizen's Q7 companies is also out of the question- first because there aren't enough that we could use, second because people don't want to part with them (and quite understandably!)
Bearing 1 and 2 in mind, the only way we can get our Q7s are by buying them. Some we'd be able to get from suppliers, but since we're talking about a lot of weapons, every day, a lot would have to come from the market unless we got lucky. The going rate at the moment is 51.55 GBP per weapon in Poland, and they aren't likely to get much cheaper without admin interferance until the next company offer.
If we were to do it, 8 Q7s per day would be the going number of weapons. That's 80 hits, 4 less than with the 12Q6s people get now, but with 35% extra damage. That's the same as the Dragoons, for comparison.
CD tells me we'd supply all active fighters that worked, and that 50 is a realistic number for this. Since Q7s may attract more fighters, I'll use 60 as my number for the figures below.
With all that in mind, then, there are two main options for supplying our troops.
OPTION 1: SELL Q6S TO BUY Q7S
This would involve all soldiers working in Q6s as now, then selling the Q6s to buy Q7s. No extra investment would be needed as we can already call on the companies- but we would have to buy WRM in to fund it.
Net profit with 60 soldiers at current prices: 5112GBP
There's a big issue here though- nobody wants Q6s! They'd take ages to sell, so we'd end up with a huge unsold surplus and dig into reserves in order to supply. At the very least we'd have to revert to a weekly supply model to make this work.
OPTION 2: ALL WORKERS TO RUBBER
This option would involve building 15 Rubber factories on one player (probably me) and giving them Polish CS. The number 15 is due to each rubber allowing you to employ 4 soldiers. Rubber factories cost 35G each, so there'd be a layout of 525G before we could get this up and running.
Net profit with 60 soldiers at current prices: 6900
As you can see this is nearly 2000 more than selling Q6s, and unlike weapons, WRM always sells, and quickly. There would be no issue with buying weapons daily under this model.
On the other hand, it'd take 53 days to donate all the cash to buy these rubber factories, so we'd have to gradually swap over from option 1 to option 2.
Here's the bottom line then.
Under option 1, the (hopeful, assuming weps sell) bottom line for Q7 cost is 19632GBP
Under option 2, the bottom line for Q7 cost is 17844GBP
Both options are obviously expensive!
With the NHS, this would mean we just have enough income, if we have absolutely no other expenses. Obviously, we do- for example MPPs, at 10k a time!
So we have a problem, we simply don't have enough to supply Q7s at a competitive level at current income levels.
Here are some of the solutions:
- Raise VAT to try and increase income
- Limit the number of soldiers in the BEF to 50 (bottom line of 16360 or 14870)
- Reduce to 7Q7s a day (with 60- 16539 or 14751, with 50- 13782.5 or 12292.5)
Some combination of the above would be needed.
Thoughts?
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This on the forum here: http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=82606&p=1328264#p1328139 and seeing as most eUKers don't frequent the forum we thought we would bring it in-game to you. This could affect us all in the eUK and as such we should all be in on the discussion.
A problem shared is a problem halved so they say!
Bigant has tasked me with finding out how we can supply the BEF with Q7 weapons, and so I've gone away, thought, done sums (thanks Count Drakula for your help!) and come up with the following conclusions and options.
1: Buying Q7 companies is totally out of the question, we can't afford them
2: Borrowing our citizen's Q7 companies is also out of the question- first because there aren't enough that we could use, second because people don't want to part with them (and quite understandably!)
Bearing 1 and 2 in mind, the only way we can get our Q7s are by buying them. Some we'd be able to get from suppliers, but since we're talking about a lot of weapons, every day, a lot would have to come from the market unless we got lucky. The going rate at the moment is 51.55 GBP per weapon in Poland, and they aren't likely to get much cheaper without admin interferance until the next company offer.
If we were to do it, 8 Q7s per day would be the going number of weapons. That's 80 hits, 4 less than with the 12Q6s people get now, but with 35% extra damage. That's the same as the Dragoons, for comparison.
CD tells me we'd supply all active fighters that worked, and that 50 is a realistic number for this. Since Q7s may attract more fighters, I'll use 60 as my number for the figures below.
With all that in mind, then, there are two main options for supplying our troops.
OPTION 1: SELL Q6S TO BUY Q7S
This would involve all soldiers working in Q6s as now, then selling the Q6s to buy Q7s. No extra investment would be needed as we can already call on the companies- but we would have to buy WRM in to fund it.
Net profit with 60 soldiers at current prices: 5112GBP
There's a big issue here though- nobody wants Q6s! They'd take ages to sell, so we'd end up with a huge unsold surplus and dig into reserves in order to supply. At the very least we'd have to revert to a weekly supply model to make this work.
OPTION 2: ALL WORKERS TO RUBBER
This option would involve building 15 Rubber factories on one player (probably me) and giving them Polish CS. The number 15 is due to each rubber allowing you to employ 4 soldiers. Rubber factories cost 35G each, so there'd be a layout of 525G before we could get this up and running.
Net profit with 60 soldiers at current prices: 6900
As you can see this is nearly 2000 more than selling Q6s, and unlike weapons, WRM always sells, and quickly. There would be no issue with buying weapons daily under this model.
On the other hand, it'd take 53 days to donate all the cash to buy these rubber factories, so we'd have to gradually swap over from option 1 to option 2.
Here's the bottom line then.
Under option 1, the (hopeful, assuming weps sell) bottom line for Q7 cost is 19632GBP
Under option 2, the bottom line for Q7 cost is 17844GBP
Both options are obviously expensive!
With the NHS, this would mean we just have enough income, if we have absolutely no other expenses. Obviously, we do- for example MPPs, at 10k a time!
So we have a problem, we simply don't have enough to supply Q7s at a competitive level at current income levels.
Here are some of the solutions:
- Raise VAT to try and increase income
- Limit the number of soldiers in the BEF to 50 (bottom line of 16360 or 14870)
- Reduce to 7Q7s a day (with 60- 16539 or 14751, with 50- 13782.5 or 12292.5)
Some combination of the above would be needed.
Thoughts?
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Option 3: Cut NHS programme to supply BEF soldiers with Q7
Still wouldn't provide enough funds I'm afraid LT.
why do we supply ppl anyway, ive been stuggling since i left the nhs unit (because ironically i wasnt being supplied at the time ) its peacetime for a start so no one needs supplying anything, and when were at war ppl should be forced to join irc at strike times and critical battles to get gov supplies?!
I am new here but I thought I'd comment as I have an idea. Why not get people to 'give up' their Q7 businesses BUT these would be owned by a single entity that gives shares to the former owners of the businesses and pays them dividends (also could sell shares to other citizens but these would be different shares ie preference shares to the owners of the businesses as they've handed over the businesses in the first place, and normal shares with much lower dividends to everyone else.)
If the shares were sold to non-business owners as I said above, then the parent company/account would have more gold and be able to invest that in producing more weapons and also anything else that's required.
Actually you could just merge some of the military units (NHS could act as a 'feeder' unit (academy?) for the newly merged larger units).
NHS could supply food and give advice etc to start people off, and then the larger unit (between 2-5 merged units) would take them on when they've hit level 25. The larger unit could then do the thing I said above with the businesses and this would result in more people getting Q7s plus more people working on bringing in the funds needed to keep this going.
Due to the cost of a Q7 company you're never going to get someone "giving one up"
To buy a Q7 company outside of the company offer costs about £240 in RL money. It would be nice to think there is that much trust ingame that if I hand a complete stranger £240, they'll pay me dividends lol
The gov need to get over the infactuation with Q7's - unless you're needing to turn a major battle, most don't need them on a day to day basis. I'd rather stockpile some cash incase of another babyboom
My suggestion in #cmd about tier'd jobs within BEF is the only way I can see to drastically cut costs and at the same time reward those that actually log in and contribute each day. BigAnt's insistence of a full Q7 National Army, as noble as it is, is just unworkable any MU Government funded or Independent should at least attempt to have costs as neutral as possible.
We need to cut our cloth accordingly, not look at much larger and richer countries and try to follow suit.
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@wanyekerr agreed
the biggest problem with building rubber companies is there is no plan for if the price of WRM suddenly drops back to 0.06
in option 2, might aswell use all that gold into cash to buy Q7 on markets, as the time it'll take for it to make up for the investment this will prolly be irrelevant anyway
A kinder option on finances would be to ignore the idea of employing people in RM production and instead reward long serving BEF members with investment in saltpeters and in turn attempt to form a WRM supply network where these players can stock pile WRM and then sell it at a slightly higher than market price and the government can buy it and then have those players refund the cash (thus donating WRM).
As well as having mainly Q6 production with a dash of Q7 thrown in for good measure.
Could just go back to supplying Q6s, as they're dirt-cheap in comparison.
Stick with Q6s. Anyone who volunteers to lend their Q7 company (even if this is rare) can have a few people swap over to them and supply the top hitters.
Most private citizens with Q7 factories are using them to supply the various independent MUs. Donating them to the government wouldn't improve the damage done by the eUK - merely switch which players are doing the damage.
If the intention is to improve the overal damage done by the eUK, then it is better to encourage players to join those units and let the private citizen "pay" for the Q7s. This ties in, in part, with the suggestion of limiting the BEF to 50 in the main article.
By reducing the burden off the taxpayer, then those part of the national units will have more funds available for supplies.
I think people need to get past the idea that as a taxpayer funded MU, the BEF etc has some sort of elevated status where it has to be the supreme unit.
At the moment, the only option is to supply the BEF with Q6 weapons only and not try to provide Q7s - not without a major change to the economy anyhow.