[tBRE]A comment to Konrad's article: Wages&Communes from a marxist point of view
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by Tony Clifford
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[tBRE] A comment to Konrad's article: wage and communes from a marxist point of view
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2262950/1/20
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Well, I read ALL Konrad's article "HOPEing For Left-wing Utopia Which They Already Have..." (see here). It's a quite long article, as it is usual to Konrad, but it explains very well the unreasonableness of the shouts of some HOPE party members, who fail in their own logic.
This is my reply:
Well, Konra
you may easily understand that those people don't even know what "left" or "communism" is.
Just look to their main proposal: they wan to increase the minimal wage.
Everybody with a leftist background knows that for Marx the "wage" is the very tool used by the capitalist class to enslave laborers.
"Without a class dependent on wages, the moment individuals confront each other as free persons, there can be no production of surplus value; without the production of surplus-value there can be no capitalist production, and hence no capital and no capitalist"
Das Kapital, K. Marx (emphasis in the original)
Hence the need for the theory of socialism to abolish wage-based labour and to establish a system where goods are distributed "to each according to his contribution"
Everybody in this game knows that a low minimal wage is set by governments in order to allow "communes" to work. Communes are called like that because every person who works there gets the same amount of goods (weapons or food) that he produces.
HOPE's main proposal, if you look at that from a Marxist view, will actually strenghten the capitalist class, and abolish the most socialist invention of this game.
I'd like to teach you another theory, after that of communism: the "theory of the enraged people". But that, if you have patience, it is for tommorrow.
Regards,
by Tony Clifford
Note:
Here you may read how HOPE party gets its votes: Voting accounts: a plague of eRepublik politics
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[tBRE] A comment to Konrad's article: wage and communes from a marxist point of view
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2262950/1/20
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Well, I read ALL Konrad's article "HOPEing For Left-wing Utopia Which They Already Have..." (see here). It's a quite long article, as it is usual to Konrad, but it explains very well the unreasonableness of the shouts of some HOPE party members, who fail in their own logic.
This is my reply:
Well, Konra
😛
you may easily understand that those people don't even know what "left" or "communism" is.
Just look to their main proposal: they wan to increase the minimal wage.
Everybody with a leftist background knows that for Marx the "wage" is the very tool used by the capitalist class to enslave laborers.
"Without a class dependent on wages, the moment individuals confront each other as free persons, there can be no production of surplus value; without the production of surplus-value there can be no capitalist production, and hence no capital and no capitalist"
Das Kapital, K. Marx (emphasis in the original)
Hence the need for the theory of socialism to abolish wage-based labour and to establish a system where goods are distributed "to each according to his contribution"
Everybody in this game knows that a low minimal wage is set by governments in order to allow "communes" to work. Communes are called like that because every person who works there gets the same amount of goods (weapons or food) that he produces.
HOPE's main proposal, if you look at that from a Marxist view, will actually strenghten the capitalist class, and abolish the most socialist invention of this game.
I'd like to teach you another theory, after that of communism: the "theory of the enraged people". But that, if you have patience, it is for tommorrow.
Regards,
by Tony Clifford
Note:
Here you may read how HOPE party gets its votes: Voting accounts: a plague of eRepublik politics
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every party wanted to have their ideal : but it's impossible in this game : all is based on votes.
true. but i'd like it would be based on players...
yes, we have no choice, but i agree with your article.
Cliffendor tells the truth. 🙂
no comments for Cliffenliers anymore tell us the true we wait 🙂 or go back with the lines from mpp's better
Saludos y suerte.
No vote.
Oh Tony,Tony... you are mixing pears and apples, they look alike but they taste completely differently; for sure.
I have decided to stop with insulting you; as I have my opinion about you. I don't like you and you don't like me, so it is mutual: What you did; wasn't honest thing to do; but you gave money back and all the hypocrites and mediocrities are happy with it; so who am I to complain against the majority of “the Plebs”.
By saying that I don't know what communism is; is just nice example of your verbal meanderings.
I know very well what communism is; certainly better than you, for about 1 billion times more. Because you see; how do you know and can be sure absolutely; I wasn't born and I didn't grew up in the communism and just beacuse you don't know me really personally; that's why.
And by suggesting I don't know theory and the work of the Karl Marx; it is another misinformed nonsense by you.
My Congress proposal was only meant to stimulate and to help our economy by rising import taxes on the foreign WEP & Food, and to decrease taxes on our domestic production.
I have also taken into consideration taxes in the bigger countries; like UK and Poland comparing to Belgium.
http://tinypic.com/r/nw4jp/5
http://tinypic.com/r/lgodg/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2uzz9c7/5
As I started tread and the debate on the forum; afterwards I was informed I had to wait for the procedure to pass before starting voting process and other bla-bla-bla BS.
And by recalling Konrad's article as relevant point to start the discussion; was wrong move again.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hopeing-for-left-wing-utopia-which-they-already-have--2262454/1/20
Konrad wrote nice article and I like it the way he wrote it. Wherein; he gave us his philosophical view on the H.O.P.E. political party and supposed political utopia we already found.
But nonetheless; he himself doesn't know really; what my plans are and where I am leading H.O.P.E. in the next period. Because he did
didn't speak to me privately or directly; so it is just his own personal interpretation of us.
To conclude this response of mine; I am real life Socialist; an the true follower ot the Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and the Vladimir Ilitch Lenin; absolutely.
And if I would really reveal to you; who is the person I appreciate and the utmost respect; in the history ot the humanity you would know just almost everything about me.
P.S.
I would like to use this occasion to ask our CP Beaverss to give us the explanation publicly about these screenshots:
http://tinypic.com/r/b4j8md/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2ds2xk5/5
How suddenly he became „Nouveau Riche“ and „Burgeoisie“, so we all can follow his shining example.
About ten days go he was screaming all around; how poor was and that he needs donations in his article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/how-i-failed-my-e-suicide-or-gimme-gold-not-to-plato-help-me-please-2251489/1/20
So I woul like to know; what's this secret forumula to become so wealthy in a few days time or is it just known to the few of you „Elitistes“ classe, Or is he maybe following the footsteps of his pre-ancestors?
Who would know? I don't have a clue.
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You again demonstrated that you don't know neither the basis of Marxist theory nor how this game is played.
"Everybody in this game knows that a low minimal wage is set by
governments."
"You again demonstrated that you don't know how this game is played"
Really lin0leum... Is that your level?
"A government is an organization exerting centralized control over a community" and "Government normally consists of legislators, administrators, and arbitrators".
I know that in RL Belgium you call the executive institution "le gouvernment", but in the English language, the word "government" has a broader meaning!
@Tony: You are stubborn as a mule: 😛
the truth is the minimal wage is setup by congress, not the gvt.
The truth is that you don't know English language, as I explained
I don't see disappeared gold/CC. Huh?
HEY HOW BEAVERSS HOW HAVE 4.000 THANKS ????
I MEAN 4000 Q7
If it's not stolen, I guess it's not your business to demand informations about his property.
NOT GOOD ANSWER YES IS MY BUSINESS AND I WILL ANSWER VERY SOON
No, Belgium is a democracy, that means everyone is able to buy and sell his property without accusations.
I KNOW BUT YOU ARE THE FIRST MINISTER OR WAS AND IS NORMAL TO I ASK YOU , IF I WAS PREMIER OR CP AND CONTROL THE COUNTRY
THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS NORMAL TO OTHERS
THAN YES IS MY BUSINESS TO ASK AND YOUR WORK TO ANSWER
I am not minister, so no, I dont have to answer your questions....
No it didn`t disappeared; not yet. 😛
Get people in Erepublik by spending time in sharing your referrer link & take time to buy raw at 0.02 & sell them to 0.03, and you will make a lot of profit in a month if you spend lots of time behing your PC. Also, you can check the eBelgian accounts if you want... I also ask loans to eBelgians. I will have to reimbourse them in the future, it's why it's important for me to make profits now. As it's not forbidden by Erepublik admins to take all the money of the State, do you think I will do all this shit if I was a robber? Really disappointing...
BEAVERSS DO YOU HAVE A Q7 FACTORY?
I've a 150 loan to reimbourse (:
Do you have a keyboard issue? It seems serious...
yOU have a q7 factory ?????
There is also the possibility to use your visa 😉
We don`t think, we don`t assume; I just asked you nicely; how comes; you have suddenly bacame so wealthy in so short period ofthe time. I am not jelaous and I am not looking into other people pockets to see what they have and how much they have inside. It`s ceratinly not my business and not my way of functioning. It`s just; I am curious to know. 😛
Not the way Junior was asking... Already saying I stole eBelgian supplies... I'm still waiting offers to upgrades my training installations (the purpose of the help I asked to the international solidarity), it gives me lots of gold & BEF waiting their use.
GW, stop the majuscules. Thanks, a not-so-blind reader (:
YOU HAVE A FACTORY Q7 BEAVERSSS ?
@ JUNIOR: he gave you your answers
Have you read it?
And what business do you have in the private affairs of a citizen???
Tommot when Manneken piss show this screenshot is normal if i ask it, i m here the bigger employer from eBe i think ! 18 employees and pay the tax for the country is my job as e-citizens and if one player want control coutry is normal that he answer manneken piss with true fact
and for answer you yes is my business if he are the cp
is not my business how much others players have became rich
but when beaverss became CP he not anymore in the private affairs he can always became rich but he have to explain if he purchase gold or if he have a Q7 factory
I hope he will answer me and others players with true fact not with words about his honesty bla bla bla
@gw : even if he has a Q7, do you actually believe that all those tanks come from there?
We have to know he have to explain today !!! if he not explain or not care i will start to stop pay tax for eBelgium change the salary from young players to 1BF like others and sells my weapons in another country.
It still is pribate affairs, you can't criticize him because he is selling q7 weapons, does that mean he stole money from the NBB, no it does not. Your accusations are pointless, it has nothing to do with eBelgium but just about Beaver. This is a personal vendetta from you JUNIOR, nothing more. He is free to do what he wants in his private eLife. YOu'll have to see the difference between his work as CP and his work as a eRepublik citizen. Two worlds which are completely different from eachother.
Kitkat can you copy paste where you see my accusations how you said?
I re-write for you " what you ask for he answer is pointless "
He can make business how he want but i not will tolerate players take eBe supplies from last War with France for make money in the market
He speak or delete this shi*** article if you want but you know i know and others know now you can talk all day here
You have no right !!!
"He can make business how he want but i not will tolerate players take eBe supplies from last War with France for make money in the market" As said in the Congress by alexandross after the war, all the supplies have been make in BEF to add them in the eBelgium accounts. You can see all the supplies made by eBe during last war, these numbers are public.
Moreover, in selling goods on eBelgian market, i'm paying a tax on it & it makes more money for eBelgium. If I didn't sell these weapons,in Belgium, people will go in foreign countries to buy it, without paying taxes. So my offers on the market are profitable for eBelgium because it's called pay taxes for the good of the community. I won't describe you how much gold I buy or not with my VISA, it's not your business (:
Show me the proof that these are eBE supplies of the last war ? And if they are that is a way to get the money back, because an org will certainly not use q7 weapons.
I have no right ? Well I guess you have no right either to accept the creation of multi accounts in your party ? How about that Mister HOPE spokesman.
If i have create multi how you said i can't talk with you now i have to be banned !!! and about the proof is not me to show, no one here ask proof from your CP we I ask answer from him about this screenshot
You said the weapons are supplies of our war with France, proove that as this is an important factor in this discussion.
I ask if is this! you ask me to proof ??? facepalm again that became daily with you
I have now to justify this mafia acts facepalm again
lolilol Kitkat is time to you be serious or leave the politics you can find a good job for you in business with ato's members
I quote you from your comment "He can make business how he want but i not will tolerate players take eBe supplies from last War with France for make money in the market"
That's clearly an acccusation that he is using the supplies. So please if you want to start facepalming yourself about your mistakes then tell me so I can laugh my ass off.
funny 😃 150 golds in weapons come from sky
i tell you the better for you is beg tony to delete the article o small boy from 6 understand who have right here
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voted!! good response!
This article proved 2 things: 1) Tony is an idiot 2) Manneken piss understands his politics. I wholeheartedly agree with his comment.
Tony made this article in a populist attempt to bash HOPE and to look cool with his superficial knowledge of the communist system in mind (probably a remnant of his high school-years) and got completely and utterly pwned and outsmarted by MP. This is Hilarious! High quality article this one. 10/10 would definitely read again. You wooped the floor with Tony, MP. I salute you.