[Speaker/Mongress] Referendum Details
Day 3,925, 09:02
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by Sir Humphrey Appleby
Good afternoon gents o/,
You can now vote here.
As some of you may be aware, Alfag very recently asked party presidents to get opinion on his proposed rented regions policy. I can confirm he has since signed the below, it seems from UKPP input alone:-
UK - CROATIA AGREEMENT
‘1. UK Grants the regions of Wales, West Midlands and South West of England to Croatia.
2. Croatia is free to use the regions and their extra-national crossing points at their leisure.
3. Croatia is to return all UK monies taken from these regions due to occupation.
4. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Croatia, Croatia is still liable for the return of all monies.
5. Attacks out of the listed regions into other original UK regions (regardless of occupant) is prohibited without prior agreement between the UK and Croatia.
6. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Croatia, Croatia is still liable in ensuring that other original UK regions are not attacked.
7. The timing and management of direct or resistance wars within the listed regions is at the discretion of Croatia.
8. If the Training war is concluded due to a bug or event outside the control of both parties - The UK is responsible for launching an NE or DoW to re-start the Training war.
9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Croatia's MPP stack.’
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UK - LITHUANIA AGREEMENT
‘1. UK Grants the regions of North West England, East Midlands, East of England and London to Lithuania.
2. Lithuania is free to use the regions and their extra-national crossing points at their leisure.
3. Lithuania is to return all UK monies taken from these regions due to occupation in addition to a daily fee of 5,000cc.
4. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Lithuania, Lithuania is still liable for the return and payment of all monies.
5. Attacks out of the listed regions into other original UK regions (regardless of occupant) is prohibited without prior agreement between the UK and Lithuania.
6. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Lithuania, Lithuania is still liable in ensuring that other original UK regions are not attacked.
7. The timing and management of direct or resistance wars within the listed regions is at the discretion of Lithuania.
8. If the Training war is concluded due to a bug or event outside the control of both parties - The UK is responsible for launching an NE or DoW to re-start the Training war.
9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Lithuania's MPP stack.’
As Parliament have rejected dissolution this effectively triggers a vote to confirm the above. However after a chat with non-UKPP Party Presidents I will extend this to a referendum.
Foreign governments will be instructed that the motion carried will be adopted in the resumption of democracy.
I know this puts UKPP MPs in an awkward spot but as none voted in favour of dissolution I hope they won’t mind continuing to take part.
This referendum will open in 24hrs for 24hrs (5pm, Monday -> 5pm, Tuesday)
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A nationwide referendum... on training wars?
excuse me wtf
tbh if you deign to take non-UKPP opinion and then act unilaterally anyway, then yes
+ this is a long term rental deal too
As if the TWs we had already weren't glorified long term rental deals
i boat in agreement with proposals
am sure non-UKPP will appreciate the chance too
"9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Croatia's MPP stack.’"
"9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Lithuania's MPP stack.’"
So that doesn't really leave much
I expect it banks on Cro/Lith bailing us out in the event we need them
A large MPP stack is a fairly pointless expense in the age where wars with actual stakes are as rare as... well, a good steak
Wouldn't the MPPs be voided as a result of the "attacks" so therefore a waste of money?
Plus you don't need a MPP to fight for an ally.
Referendum? No thank you.
why can't the lads have the same input as UKPP?
especially given they already told you to sod off the last vote
You can have a referendum, I'm just not gonna vote in it.
Also, being that you say at the beginning that he asked party presidents to discuss the issue, did the other party presidents discussed it with their party members? I know we had, actually still have a discussion on our party's group messages, because there are also people who prefer other options.
And nothing has been signed yet.
he asked and ignored us, so we're here
I see. Ok, I guess he presented you with option 1 and option 2 (which is this one in the article, 2 TWs), what's your party's opinion?
the rate of return isn't worth it chiefly
What rate of return? Lith are paying us 5k a day for the same thing we have going on right now...
Democracy? Either put the cash up and restore democracy or shut up. This is a pointless referendum outside of game rules and should be ignored.
Further irrelevancies along these lines in real life should be punctuated correctly with a full stop applied forcefully to the end of the nasus
sod off sexa
Such an intelligent and ladylike reply.
You're entitled to your opinion, in spite of not being the dictator.
Everyone else in the eUK is also entitled to hold, and share, their own opinions.
Yes, I'm sure you believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion provided that it agrees with yours
"you believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion provided that it agrees with yours"
I just said you're entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with it. That kind of refutes the proviso in your statement, don't you think? In fact, you're the one who appears to have a problem with other people having their say because according to you they're irrelevant.
I call it as I see it, any opinion that you disagree with is shouted down. I guess the amount of noise you generate is to cover the fact that any and all promises made at election time
are never delivered.
The "veto" described above is irrelevant until democracy is restored which, going on past performance, is extremely unlikely due to the total inability of the "democrats" to do anything other than whinge
Who have I shouted down?
What promises have I ever made?
Or is the "you" a kind of generic "us and them" you rather than a reference to the person you're actually talking to?
I'm not even going to touch the "all the democrats ever do is whinge" part of your comment, given the source.
Who are UKPP?
I personally preferred only a single TW
Most of us saw the benefits of two though, democracy is a wonderful tool...
Yeah, I was also for one TW, but the big hitters were more for 2 TWs, and tbh, I would rather make them happy, for me it is the same either option...
Pretty much, all it does is give people double the option for medals without having to go looking outside or stepping on peoples toes in other countries TW's.
Croatia have been absolute bosses during the past few months we've had a TW with them and Lith are long term friends.
The Real Spamican made our views clear! A finger buffet and a six pack each and Johnny Foreigner can move in next door, for a bottle of scotch they can have the putmeup in the TRS HQ common room.
Horice 🐓
Milk in the tea is extra mind!
Losing NWoE ....... pfft
I thought it was still being discussed. I don't support this idea.
I demand a referendum on if we need a referendum...
Of course, Alfa could just ignore the result of any referendum and sign them off regardless. When democracy is returned then it will be up to Congress whether or not it wants to break it...
It is unclear from the wording of the article if the vote is purely for people in Congress or is a proper referendum in the accepted wider world definition and extended to the eUK population.
Interesting to see that the self titled "pro-Democracy" parties took this decision to hold a referendum having excluded democratically elected members of Congress...
I fully expect alfag to reject it
I also fully expect the motion to be carried the moment of we resume democracy
'Interesting to see that the self titled "pro-Democracy" parties took this decision to hold a referendum having excluded democratically elected members of Congress...'
surely an ironic jest given ukpp had the only input when it was signed
At time of writing, I'm not aware it has been signed - Alfa hasn't written an article to confirm all parties concerned have applied their electronic signitures.
The average UKPPer has had no particular input beyond what most of congress has had. Alfa did the negotiations and provided updates. Quite possibly we found out an hour or two before congress. It is only now that Alfa have advised of the conclusions now that the final options are known. The UKPP only actually got to discuss what option is best at the same timeframe that Congress got to know the final options on the table. And in the August congress threads then plenty of non-UKPPers have commented and made the same general pros and cons as what the individual UKPPer did in our own congress thread.
I have a feeling Alfa is weighing up the comments rather than just tossing a coin and then picking one.
"I also fully expect the motion to be carried the moment of we resume democracy"
What does this mean? Alfa signs off on a deal and then once democracy has been restored you plan to go to Croatia and/or Lithuania and re-sign the deal again?? Or tell them that the deal is off as it was agreed by #notmydictator and therefore is invalid?
unless you are deliberately playing dense - that any deal he signs is not recognised by the democratic faction and will be quashed by a democratic vote
So upon democracy being restored, you are actually prepared to go to Croatia etc if necessary and inform them that the deal is void? I'm sure in such a situation no diplomatic problems would arise...
eh?
forigs will know exactly what will happen based on this vote in the event we resume the democracy module
It is worrying you don't seem to think an agreement being torn up would not cause any diplomatic problems - especially when those the agreements are with are stronger than us. If you did tear any of the agreements up, from your inability to fight off the MTO in the first place, I have little doubt in our ability to kick out either the Croatians and/or Lithuanians if they decided they want to stay.
Maybe with that in mind the dictator shouldn't sign an agreement that's going to be torn up when democracy is restored?
If you think that then maybe you don't understand how a dictatorship works.
I do understand how a dictatorship works, and so does the rest of eRepublik, so I'm sure they'll understand that when the democratic government returns they won't feel bound by agreements made by a hostile dictator.
If Croatia and Lithuania really felt that way then they wouldn't have negotiated with Alfa in the first place. What they would have done would have been to approach the CP to discuss a deal for when Alfa steps aside. All the vote is really about is so Apples and TUP can claim to have done something relevant under the dictatorship...
Also............I have not signed anything off......................continue
please choose either statement as your given truth of the moment
UKSFToday at 3:24 PM
nope
deals being signed now
Chile already opted out of fish
deals being signed now.
deals in the process of being signed now
process
once process is complete...........deals will be signed.
When I say "Deals HAVE been signed just now" = Deals having been signed.
are you trying to say you have a very, very long signature?
signed is a limited verb and I'd argue usually deployed past tense...