[SFPOM] Release #13 The Dictatorship Debate
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SFP Official Media Release #13
Place: SFP Headquarters
Date: 02/11/2015 (Day 2904)
Welcome to SFP Official Media!
Today’s agenda includes:
The Defensive Dictatorship, For, Neutral, or Against?
*Editor's Note: This article wants you to make up your own mind. You have all the resources from some of the strongest minds in the game, who have given you their arguments as to why this controversial situation should, or should not be maintained, you can make your own choices, we have no agenda other than to make you think, and think for yourself. Ignore the propaganda that tries to tell you what to believe, we've gathered a number of people here so you can make your own informed choices with as much of the information as is available to us.
Tyler Bubblar
Federalist Party
When Plato in his infinite wisdom decided to drop the Dictatorship mechanic on us in lieu of fixing the economy a problem was created. That’s how it is in eRepublik instead of making a game that has a very obstinate player base better to reward such loyalty and attract more players the admins seem to do everything in their power to make gameplay worse.
It did not take long for many to realize the implications of a hostile Dictatorship in the eUSA. Taxes at 25%, those funds would be under sole control of the dictator, this Dictator would also have access to hundreds of CS Passes allowing them to import their own top 5 Party over night. That last would ensure that even if we were to succeed in removing the hostile dictator we would once again begin the long war of attrition that we saw when Ajay had a following of near one thousand. Something had to be done.
So it was that the idea of placing then President Wild Owl as a defensive dictator began to be bandied about. So a law was put in place that would render Congress to a semi permanent shadow status. This was not unprecedented, there is an amendment to the eUSA Constitution which allows for a formation of a Shadow Congress in the event of a wipe preventing in game Congress elections. The Presidents of the Top 5 Parties would send a delegation matching the numbers they won in the prior Congress election to run the Government from the Shadows.
This was the intent of the Defensive Dictatorship. The elected CP would take over as CO of USAF (which is standard practice), however, by taking the CO post in USAF it would also allow a seamless passing of the dictatorship torch to the newly elected CP. Congress would continue to propose, vote on, and pass laws via the eUSA forums. Under the statute of the Defensive Dictatorship the CP would be bound to use their Dictatorship powers in accordance with the legislative will of Congress.
It it is a fragile contract that depends on the voters of the eUSA electing candidates who will honor said contract. So far we have been successful in doing so. It is not a perfect solution, but it does serve as an important layer of protection and early warning system against hostile military takeover. Enemies would need to remove the current dictatorship triggering a 10 day cooldown before they could attempt to install there own. This is far preferable to the bare few hours of warning we would have without the Defensive Dictatorship.
As I previously stated it is not a perfect solution. It places a great deal of trust in the CP. It eliminates the in game gold and buttons awarded to members of Congress, however Democracy is able to go on via forum votes. CPs that do not honor the stipulations of the Defensive Dictatorship will without a doubt find themselves impeached and overthrown. As one of the individuals who has held the mantle of CP/D in the eUSA I can tell you from experience that it is not a responsibility taken lightly. My good friend Aramec who is also a former CP/D, waxed eloquent about his own awareness of both the extreme need to honor the contract the CP/D has with the rest of the eUSA, and the necessity of a Defensive Dictatorship. I think he conveys his message very well.
In conclusion I think over the past half year or so the Defensive Dictatorship has not just proven it’s worth, but also shown that it is a workable arrangement of Government as long as we elect trustworthy and honorable CPs. I do not believe it is too much to ask for members of Congress to give up 5 gold a month and their in game buttons in order to provide the nation with a valuable protection.
Paul Proteus
Federalist Party
"It's pretty clear at this point that the Defensive Dictatorship is an obvious tactical move, it protects our democracy from foreign powers and protects from any threat of PTO. The way game mechanics exist, it remains necessary, and as the past few months have proven, our game experience hasn't changed at all (except maybe Congress gold). Our "democracy" works and is safeguarded.
All of the congress gold I was totally planning to donate to the DoI or uh somewhere, totally...
Arguments that I've seen against the dictatorship are tend to stem entirely from an unwarranted fear of the metagame, a failure to comprehend game mechanics, or an adherence to a form of role play that values inapplicable RL values at the expense of pragmatism. While I doubt anyone reading this who is fervently opposed to the DD will be particularly swayed reading this, and even treating this as an issue seems to be somewhat legitimizing of something that doesn't really deserve it, the Dictatorship is doubleplusgood yo, and until everyone's ready to actually do something interesting and burn this game down, actually playing in an intelligent manner is probably worthwhile, #Paulsez"
MrCarey
Federalist Party
One of the continuing concern I am seeing here is that DD kills new player involvement. That just isn't true. The CP still chooses who they want for their cabinet, congress is still elected as it always has been. There are new players in cabinet positions all the time. DD has nothing to do with player involvement other than congress people not being able to click a vote button in-game. While that's true, congress people still get to vote on issues, so really, it's a wash there and the fact the in-game button is gone is irrelevant.
It's a game. Dictatorship in the game (at least in eUSA) does not mean the same thing as RL. The CP has no more power now than they did prior to the Dictatorship module. Yes, it's an ugly word, but so is war - and we love getting involved in that in this game. Take away the title of Dictatorship and the mechanic (as we use it) is purely a defensive cushion. Take away that cushion, and you're opening the nation to a severe threat from other nations in the way of MTO. All that needs to happen is a country attack us and install their own dictator. You think there's no advancement or inclusion for new players now? Wait till that happens.
I strongly urge you all who are in favor of dismantling this key defensive module to reconsider the true and actual pros and cons.
Franklin Stone
Socialist Freedom Party
As an American Citizen in eRepublik I have always stood for Freedom, for open and completely transparent Government Democratically Elected in game; a Congress Democratically Elected to effect change within eRepublik. This is the principle for which I believe the Socialist Freedom Party stands, the SFP stands for Freedom and against Dictatorship; my deepest belief is that the Defensive Dictatorship has stripped Americans of the right to be represented by their Elected Congress Members; when was the last time your Congress Members could vote against a tax raise in game? In fact, when was the last time they could vote against a Mutual Protection Pact (MPP) with which your Party disagreed; in game? If my memory serves it was when Wild Owl became First Defensive Dictator or no?
Under our current Foreign Affair Policy, directed by Wild Owl; America seems to have balled up in the fetal position. We have certain MPPs that seem to serve no other purpose than to appease someone, even our Military Policy seems to be in the pugilist position; crouched down behind the shield of the DD our fist covering our faces. However the worst part of the DD is the fact it allows an outside forum to rule by a 'tyrannical majority', it allows a 'meta government' who believes this game is dead or at least dying and they wish to suck out what life remains in eRepublik.
Many have said the the Dictator Module is a game mechanic fact and therefore should be used to defend ourselves, it is also a Life Mechanic used by Fidel Castro who -IMHO- told the Cubans it was for their self defense also; Totalitarianism is as evil and vile in eRepublik as it is in real life and should be scorned by all. First it was if you don't believe in Dio, then you are a Heretic and need to convert and be cleansed by the sand or we will eliminate you. Next it was America needs a Defensive Dictatorship to defend our Homeland, when what they really mean is; 'It gives the outside 'meta government' 10 days to retain our power.'
Now as a Pagan my beliefs do not allow me to kneel before nor pray to a deity, I have no graven images hanging on my walls; now Butch The Cat believes in the Golden Cat Bowl that mysteriously feels up every morning -but that's another story. As a member of the SFP, a party which believes in Freedom for all and stands against Dictatorships World Wide; my duty lies with the People and to my beliefs. Personally I stand against the DD on my principles, I stand against it because it denies America of its in game Congress; America as a whole should stand against it because it allows an outside group -most of whom don't even come in game- to retain complete and totalitarian control over eRepublik.
Tom Cauchon
Socialist Freedom Party
When Plato first announced the Dictatorship module, I was angry. I’ve been angry with Plato before, but this time I was legitimately angry. I’ve always stated that my political stance revolves around improving the game for younger players and getting them involved.
I am a younger player than most. I haven’t forgotten what it was like to not have Q4/4/4/4 training grounds. Starting out a new profile is an arduous process, with little room to improve your standing on anyone else in the game, save if the other people that are better than you quit. I’ve logged in nearly everyday for the past 10 months, starting with a profile at 4k strength that I began in 2012. I still can’t compete for Battle Hero medals, or turn battles in the Military module. I can’t sell tanks for profit with a Q1 Wep Factory and a Q2 Food Factory with no employees. The only thing I could do was reach out to my party members and become involved in politics.
I realize that in Erepublik we often toe the line between RP and playing to the game mechanics. I recognize fully that many play this game in a form of role play, supporting things in game that they don’t necessarily philosophically believe in in real life, or supporting things in game that they do believe in philosophically in RL, yet go against the rationale of the game mechanics.
I think, too often, we forget that RL plays a larger role in this game than we think. Consider a new player, a RL American moderate, enters this game, a “politically-based” game. We’re attempting to simulate the real world in an e-world, are we not? Most new players have no knowledge of this game whatsoever. So, when they enter this game, they first learn that we have a dictator. First question they ask, “why do we have a dictator?” Someone expands with a lengthy explanation that the new player cannot begin to understand. 4 days later, the player quits because they think a dictator is stupid. I have no statistics to back this up, but this is truly what I believe.
New players quit because they are turned off by joining a political game in which a dictator reigns “supreme” and they cannot understand the merits for having a dictator.
Cheers.
Kevin Sheridan
Socialist Freedom Party
Pro's are easy so I'll stick to Cons:
The DD symbolizes the total dependency of the eUS community on game mechanics. Community and collective action have been replaced with mundane manipulation of dysfunctional game features. We have gotten used to relying on micro-tactics instead on strategic planning. We don't confront threats, we avoid them. We choose boredom over fun and our community is further eroded.
The DD is also just another step towards alienating the meta government from the wider in-game community. Votes are no longer transparent in-game. Congressmen are no longer relevant in-game and ordinary citizens who don't visit eUSforum have no idea what's going on. The undemocratic "censure" tool which is often abused, is now even more powerful.
Face it, some of us are role-players. Some like Dio, some hate Dio. Some fight from freedom and find the very concept of a military dictatorship to be an abomination.
Two minor cons. No more 5G from congressional medals, no anonymity in congressional voting processes.
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[SFPOM] Release #13 The Dictatorship Debate
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2561680/1/20
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I enjoyed the article, though
"it is also a Life Mechanic used by Fidel Castro" and "Totalitarianism is as evil and vile in eRepublik as it is in real life"
What the fuck FS, the first is a ridiculous false equivalent, and the second is offensively untrue.
Anyway voted~
I imagined that statement would cause some controversy... Oh well! 🙂
So you're say that Totalitarianism doesn't exist in RL or that Cuba isn't ruled by a Dictator?
Most Totalitarian Regimes are sadistic and inhumane, so it is offensive that I stand against such regimes and It is untrue that such regimes exist?
Citizens may not REALLY die, but the meta government drives new and young citizens away; which in the virtual world is like committing mass murder to retain power.
No I'm saying equating RL tragedies to internet roleplay not going your way is a terrible thing to do. It's not "like" that at all.
I agree with FS. It is dictatorship. To say it is not Totalitarianism is pure ignorance to the definition of both words. Especially since the feature takes away all available rights in game that the real life equivalent would as well. They are one in the same.
There are plenty of players that all have never and will never touch the meta government. This module makes it so that if they are interested in the political module, they are out of luck.
Paul Proteus, if you are so righteous to ignore the roleplay aspect, then focus on the mechanics. It still has every similar effect of a real life dictatorship in regards to the mechanics that it can and does affect. It is ENTIRELY "like" that, whether you want it to be or not. Your invented perspective to self-justify your beliefs through ignoring the simple facts that many of which are even readable in the update notes that brought the dictator module to us in the first place, is irrelevant.
Resoula, I'm kind of shocked that you're deeming me "righteous" for wanting to distinguish between an online game and "mass murder". Actually, scratch "shocked" and make it depressed. Now it's my turn to politely ask you to get the off your high horse lol.
So, first, my ignorance: To say that the dictatorship module, still practically constrained, is a "political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life" is a lie. So, let's perhaps shift the burden of illiteracy, although I never actually made the claim you were strawman-ing there. Point is, your strawman was still wrong, which means you suck at arguing.
Second, "it still has every similar effect of a real life dictatorship." Here you actually responded to my point. No, no it does not. Your distaste for a method of roleplaying should absolutely never be said to have "every similar effect" to real life tragedies. At best it's tasteless, at worst it's offensive. That's literally all I was saying, but if you want a pissing match I'll bite.
"Your invented perspective to self-justify your beliefs through ignoring the simple facts that many of which are even readable in the update notes that brought the dictator module to us in the first place, is irrelevant."
Speaking of readable, this sentence isn't. My "invented" perspective is that it's a browser game. Now, feel free to roleplay, I never said you couldn't, Hail Dio, Freedom, etc. I strongly advocate playing however you can to squeeze enjoyment from this game, but when your RP leads to policy decisions that are not in the best interests of the country, the rest of us have a right to call that out without literally being equated to war criminals.
Also, I try to be civil because honestly, it's a game, and we should all be friends. But Resoula, your post was one of the most dickish things I've ever read.
Even online, I somehow expect better.
"political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life"
IMHO, the outside meta government doesn't recognizes limits to their power and yes the regulate every aspect of public and private life in this virtual world.
" Your distaste for a method of roleplaying should absolutely never be said to have "every similar effect" to real life tragedies.
In this virtual world new and young citizens leaving is a tragedy for America, again no real lives are lost and this is not real life as you keep pointing out; yet the effect is the same in this virtual world -one less citizen to hold you accountable.
" ...but when your RP leads to policy decisions that are not in the best interests of the country..."
Yet the role play you approve of has done just that.
1) That's wrong
2) The effect is entirely different, and your point is unverified
3) No it doesn't
Good article, I know in Australia we are always looking at the pro's and cons to the DD, as a 5x CP (2X as a CP/D) I know it has to do with trust and information.
The debate will go on forever as some people feel it deprives them of their choice or use in congress, when in all reality it is basically the same.
I must say, the whole thing gives me the e-willies. Voting for a "democratic dictator" on the 5th of November? Jeepers, creepers. It would make Orwell's head swim.
And for the sake of historical accuracy, I would just like to note to brothers Proteus and Stone that Fidel is no longer in charge; I believe you are thinking of Raul? Which was also the name of my first cat, a big orange tabby who liked beer and potato chips. So there's that.
I only mentioned that Franklin was indulging in an absurd comparison.
Understood. In my own weird way, I guess I was just trying to say that anything about eRepublik is, by its very nature, absurd.
Extra credit for PQ, for pointing out the fallacy in my argument; he is indeed correct -Raul the loyal Brother is now in charge in Cuba.
I enjoyed this again. 🙂
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I see both sides. I get it. However, after my attempted censure for heresy I am more on the anti-dictator side than ever. If the vote had gone against me I would have lost my ability to vote. Ingame that could not have happened. We are told not to roleplay and that the DD is a dictator in name only. Those same folks that say don't roleplay about this because it is just mechanics are the same ones that were roleplaying outrage at me for not wanting a national religion. Many of the same people that ROLEPLAY a made up eReligion also want you to not roleplay this. Hypocrites.
IMHO, the Congress on the eUSA Forums is total role playing of eRepublik on an outside forum; while in game through the Dictatorship 'mechanic' the Dioist Lobby that controls this out of game forum Meta Congress also controls everything in game.
...and the loyal Brother Dioist shall be enthroned.
I am not here to play eUSA Forum...I am here to play eRepublik IN GAME.
The difference is that Dioism doesn't affect policy. Censures are an obnoxious joke, but still not serious.
Roleplay in my view is almost always good, when you're trying to force policy against the public interest, however, less so.
Pretty sure the Dioist Lobby in Congress has had far reaching affect on meta government policy.
That's not a thing, so no, it doesn't.
Speaking of hypocrisy, I am quite sure that just the other night I saw the entire Dioist cabal feasting on jamon serrano and enjoying a pitcher of sangria while listening to Tomatito and Camaron de la Isla. Just sayin...
Thank you as always SFP for the opportunity to be a guest writer on your Party newspaper.
I noticed that voting on the forum requires me to give up anonymity.
Anyways, that was a well written and thought provoking article.
Don't make votes you are not proud to stand behind. That's a simple concept.
I make votes that I can stand behind, but it's been a long time since anyone threatened me. I'll tell them exactly were to find me.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/please-support-operation-freedom-of-philippines-i-appeal-this-in-pacifica-2562091/1/20
This is a very biased article and not the reality. Have you asked common citizens what they think? Why do we always ask "the great minds"? FS? Really? a great mind of this game? he still compares the game to RL!
This is a f-ing browser game! Deal with it!
Players don't know what's happening in congress? Make an effort and check the eUSA forum. it's not that hard!