[Series] Visiting eRepublik Labs [Part 08]
Master_rg
you are reading a part of my series of articles about my trip to eRepublik Labs from 07th to 10th dec. In order to make it more easier for you to get in touch with every topic, this table of contents can be found on top of every article. It will directly link to the specific topic you click on.
Table of contents
1. Preamble and some rules
2. Clarification about some used terms
3. How did it come to that visit
4. What happened during the days
4.1 Wednesday
4.2 Thursday
4.3 Friday
5. Problems eRepublik is currently facing
5.1 Community
5.2 Economy
5.3 Military
5.4 Politics
5.5 Newspapers
6. Some quotes of players which appear regularly
7. Conclusion
#5 - Problems eRepublik is currently facing
I think it should be clear that you could fill like hundreds of pages by talking about the problems eRepublik is currently facing. I would like to give you a basic list of things I have identified before and during my visit. Again: It’s not a complete list but feel free to leave some comments about this topic. It’s important to actively speak about those issues in order to get a better overview of the overall situation.
Last but not least I will collect all of your comments in order to create a solid foundation for a discussion platform about the future of eRepublik I am currently planning.
#5.4 Politics
I think I don’t need to go into details that much while trying to introduce you to this topic. The current implementation doesn’t really encourage players to get involved into politics. We got dictators who deal with everything, while they do it there’s a huge disadvantage for congress members as they don’t get any gold, they don’t even got the possibility to decide anything as a country is ruled by a dictator - and I mean, as much as I love META Gaming, for me it isn’t fun.
So, let’s start with some problems!
Dictatorships aren’t balanced enough
- Dictator gets about 55 gold per month, congress gets nothing
- Players aren’t involved actively into the politics
- Country communities are literally dying because there’s no activity required anymore
- Opposition can’t fight dictators as it’s just way too expensive to fight dictators (1 million currency?)
New players don’t get involved
- Maybe think of a regional congress and / or regional ministers
- Maybe add some kind of career ladder, from regional to national congress
- In general: Add more political positions or titles players can claim for themselves
The current amount of laws can’t represent politics of a country
- Extend its functionality to add more possible laws
- Maybe create a way to have kind of local investments by the government
- It’s no real challenge to decide about a hand full of laws
A general lack of activity
- Again this is in close range to the things I mentioned above
- Maybe somehow force politicians and future politicians to get active over time
- Reward them for active engagements in the political module or by having regular discussions about the country’s future
What should be changed in your opinion? And even though I didn’t mention it directly in the list above: How would you implement for example a regional congress (as this was also a topic in the last weeks/months)?
Comments
Rewards for getting elected are already present. I think it would be a mistake to add missions or rewards that force people to pursue positions they do not necessarily want.
"Discussions" can hardly be measured unless a whole new "parliament" tab is introduced, which acts like a forum and includes starting polls, basically introducing the metagame into the game.
Well, we got a newspaper module so you could build a system on top of it - but of course I get your point.
You realize how those articles would look like.. 😛
"hi plox i can has comments on my arivtle for missin thenks"
And in combination with up and down votes?
I mean: Indeed there's space for abuse in mostly every situation, but in that case it's a communitys' task to "fight" it.
Well, I can certainly imagine a Forum..ish tab, where people can start debate/polls, which run for 48hours and all congresswo/men can vote on.
Give it a sticky option, so active laws can be visible.
Give each congressmen the possibility to start 1-2 debates a month. First debate on a new congress obviously a chairwo/man election.
I can see that working and increasing activity, because then you do not need to register on a forum and check that as well..
It'd be a lot easier than it is now. But then if you start rewarding those people for starting debates, you will simply cause them to spam.
New laws.
What kind of laws? Any ideas? 🙂
Why should the congress get anything in a dictatorship when it is not able to decide anything?
Paying people that are on leave? What.
Why should a dictator get that much? I mean I respect the job you are doing in eGermany, but still: If you want to encourage new players you somehow need to reward them - at least in my eyes.
Well, in my opinion people are rewarded for work. I have paid ministers who worked for me out of my own pocket to give them a treat after a month (a lot more than a medal), but people who never show up and fail to be productive... 😃
Don't get me wrong I do not want to 'discourage' new players from participating, but one should realize that a certain degree of activity is required, hence the positions should be things you WANT to do, not NEED to because of a mission.
I totally get your point regarding paying your ministers when they do a good job as you need to reward them for their job from time to time.
But you somehow need to bring players to exactly that point and you somehow need to encourage them to make the first step. Of course not everyone will be a member of the political system in the longer run, however: You can make it tempting for new players.
The reward you get is the thrilling feeling of accomplishment after finishing a task efficiently and successfully, if that is not tempting. I do not know what is. 😃
>The reward you get is the thrilling feeling of accomplishment after finishing a task efficiently and successfully
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Dicktator is nice, leave it there
1 million cc for a couple players is not THAT much, you are not going to overthrow dicktator alone anyway.
Add some kind of use for ministers, cuz right now they cannot do anything special in game.
Other then that ask Ilfen, he is 1.5man leader of girmen land, or any other person who rues the country and wants some rest(theoretically).
Well, for a couple of players is quite relative. Of course I wouldn't say that new players directly start to fight against their dictator, but still: I don't think that a opposition of young players are able to afford such a huge amount of currency that easily.
However: I agree regarding the ministers as they aren't that.. well.. "useful" in terms of laws and stuff.
if u cannot fight dicktatorship alone or with ur group of multiclones then you should find help, isn't this game about it? 🙂
I am not sure if you can find help that easy when you are a relatively new player or member of an opposition which needs to fight an "established" (in terms of cc and strength) dictator.
Also, I am speaking of "fun": Of course it's shitty for a dictator if he needs to prevent a resistance every two weeks, and I am not talking about something like that - but I am speaking of the current implementation which is no "fun" at all.. because 1 million currency is a lot of cash.. of course there are e.g. organizations with which you could make a lot of money, but on the other han😛 It's not the opposition who has control over them.
I'd like to propose "Referendums".
Country Presidents / Dictators can propose a referendum on any day to their citizens and they will have to vote YES or NO to the Referendum the next day. I should appear on the main page just like the "Elections" buttom.
Someone had written an article about that long ago, not sure if I can find it back.
Originally when the dictator module was discussed, before it was rolled out, there was some hint that a continued dictatorship, over time, would have economic consequences. This may be the solution.
If production began to deteriorate given the length of time of a dictatorship, there would be more incentive to consider the alternative. Since many more folks produce things then even want to be involved in congress/government (formal or otherwise) this would broaden the pool of those that would favor democracy.
Allow ministers to do "something" ingame: MoD= NE laws, MoFA: mpp, MoF: Donate and taxes...
Recover regional politics: You told us they are working in this, so I hope they continue and do it soon. One of my last hopes about eR
"soon" is relative.. especially in terms of eR
"Soon" also meant removing captain elections two years after the meeting in bucharest where playes had requested it.
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A notice on the homepage reminding me to run for useless congress would be nice, forgot it this month
Dictatorship makes very few sense beside "sport for few people" . Even if it will stay it should be easy to overthrow dictator while it's expensive to stay in office. Countries that have to get their own dictator for protection is clear proof that it's not working.
And I think main reason behind dead political module is that politics actually doesn't matter anymore in a constant war environment.
Finally for regional governance, it's just another layer of complexity in current form, needs radical changes to make it work.
Regional congress might be good, but maybe if we add something like 'independence war' to let regions fight for their independency we would active a lot of comunitys -Catalonia, Scotland, Basque Country, etc.-
Too many countries already, better remove some instead of creating new ones. 😒
Just face it, game is dead and nothing people will do will ever return it to its glory. Might as well continue down the path of sucking as much money from the player base as you can till those left that are paying till they no longer cover the overheads. When that day finally comes you can shut down the servers and call it a day.
It would basically take a complete redesign of the whole game for it to become a success again. Then again when you are making €30k a month in some eyes you are still a success...
I will leave this in january. I will come back when things will be better. I see you in erev
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well, all problems with erepublik is really just the lack of new players
politics never had too much more options, but still people were active because they were new to the game, still enthusiastic
but old players are tired and bored now
most people I know only do any gov-related jobs because there is no one else to do it
if Plato improves military module enough to make it possible to recruit new players who stay, then politics will be active again due to them
until them no matter what they do with politics, all the oldfags won't enjoy it
the magic of this game is long gone for them
I think we can not really talk about politics of the game when there are more computer controlled accounts than real one.
I know it takes resources hunting down those zombies, time that they could use to add new things in game instead, but I believe with implementing things like checking if the player behind is real with "what is on the picture" tasks before working can make the multi master's life harder, meanwhile it does not take that much reasources to implement.
Yes i know computer vision rocks today, but such security steps can still work against the beginner automation fans still.
well, there are scripts that can solve all kinds of captcha, and they're written better than erep itself
real solutions would be asking for some rl data, like ID card or phone number but that would make life of the averege citizen harder too, and in a game thats losing player very quickly, it would cause more harm than good :/
i's seriously hard for the admins, they cant even act in the most evident cases if there is no proof
That bad logic, if i try to follow your mind then you say something like "no one should lock their bicycle because robbers can cut those locks anyway"
Even the simplest lock can stop the random robbers from just going there and take your property, but without a lock anyone can steal that whenever they like.
Even the simplest captcha system can stop some cheaters, so why not use them?
Some ideas from me, although some has been mentioned before.
- Referendums.
- The political titles should give some extra abilities:
MoD should be able to propose war/NE and peace. He should also be able to use Combat Order directly from the country treasury (will talk more about it down below)
MoE should be able to propose new citizen message.
MoFa should be able to propose MPPs. Maybe also be able to publish articles in allied countries for free?
Prime ministers should get most of these abilities.
New laws:
- Ability to reduce number of congress seats (should require 67 % yes to be accepted), would help many small countries, it should only be possible to set it between 5/10 and 40.
- CO Budget, the maximum CO-money the governmant are able to use during each week/month.
- Custom votes: A customizable poll that won't change anything in game. Instead, it should help the meta-game. But there needs to be some restrictions to avoid random troll polls...
- State of emergency, more on that below.
- Some sort of person-vote in the congess election. Maybe it should be possible to choose one party and one person in that party. If one person gets enough votes he will climb on the list.
- In game discussion area for the members of government and congress.
Maybe a really bad idea: State of emergency:
- Would reduce the duration of MPP- and all war-related votes to 12/18 hours.
- The government are allowed to use double the amount of CO than allowed by the congress.
- President/MoF should be able to change the DOs of the MUs in their county.
- The ability to propose a new NE or peace more often, every 2-3 days instead of 7 days?
- Anything else?
State of emergency would be active for 7 days and should have a cooldown of 4-8 weeks. It should also cost a certain amount of money, depending on the size of the country. It should only be proposable by the president and would require a 24h vote, where at least 67% votes yes.
Meant MoD, and not MoF, when I talked about the ability to change DO 🙂
Maybe more types of states and state structures... Also we have ,,left,, and ,,right,, parties, but how can we make a difference (new laws could be the solution)?
Something that might make the game just a little bit more interesting is a possibility to change the names or even the borders of the regions (but this shouldn't influence the ressources number)...
We don't know, if there will be new eCountries, but something like the ,,Wild eWest,, in the terrotories (maybe with regional governments), where there aren't any eCountries, would make the game a bit more interesting...
There is not enough people to make a regional congress. Most countries have problems to fill the national one with competent people. Indeed if we were way more people regional govs would be really interesting, we would need to see what could they actually do. Maybe change the WT get a fraction of the recaudation of it and being able to use boosters with that part of the tax income (production booster, fight booster for people being located there...).
But as said, the huge problem is not having a source of new players, both changes should happen at the same time.