[Presidentvalget] Russian TO cheater team exposed - funded by UK and friends
Pressekontoret
Today is country president election day. Vote for
http://static.erepublik.com/uploads/avatars/Parties/2010/02/01/6d19c113404cee55b4036fce1a37c058_55x55.jpg"> Freke
Amateur PTO operations
It became apparent that the Russian TO team in Norway had a large number of illegal voting accounts in eNorway when Cl4trap won the July 2010 country president elections. The events which lead to Russian and UK MPPs activated against Norway also lead to the exposure of these cheater accounts.
Donation spree
The Russia/UK strategy was rather predictable - annex all Norwegian regions except Svalbard & Jan Mayen, to avoid the MPPs against Norway being erased. But as the other regions came under foreign control, the TO operations figured they should move all the accounts to the remaining Norwegian region. This called for a massive donation of moving tickets, performed through two Russian organisations: Russian factory and Russian Brotherhood of Steel.
Don't try this at home!
Since all donations are logged and public, doing a massive donations to a large number of your multi accounts is a rather risky sport if you want to avoid being busted. Well, this fact didn't stop the multi controllers from pushing out moving tickets - to a heap of cheater accounts - in the same day. Clever.
With kind regards, Bank of England and friends
Such a massive purchase-and-donate maneuver requires funds. The national bank of "we-didn't-do-anything-wrong" England was happy to oblige. Two days prior to the ticket donations, a number of considerable gold donations were made to Russian Brotherhood of Steel. The donators include Bank of England, the Russian Ministry of Defense salary organisation, Swedish president Radsoc, as well as "politically active" Norwegian residents like Alex Di, vasiliuk, SteinarDivision, SDR XII and Hunima.
Funding of moving tickets for cheaters, compliments of Russian MoD Salary, Bank of England and Swedish president Radsoc. Click on image to enlarge.
Russian Brotherhood of Steel donation list: page 1 | page 2 | page 3
The incriminating donations
A good deal of the gold seems to have gone to now disbanded organisations. After Russian Brotherhood of Steel had supplied some moving tickets to cheater accounts in Norway, the two last donations are for the Russian Factory org and, surprise surprise, Cl4trap. Which brings us over to the evidence of cheater involvement. The donation list of Russian Factory shows items sent to around 120 accounts, all Norwegian residents, nearly all of them unemployed and with low health/activity, and all created during the period June 29 to July 4. A number of these are already permanently banned.
Russian Factory donation list pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15
Although the admins are now aware of all these multi accounts, don't take anything for granted. Vote for safe candidate Freke today, the cheaters will be dealt with in due time - especially if they are stupid enough to use the bot accounts for voting. Let's hope country leaders of eUK and eRussia will prove themselves worthy of respect in the future and be bold enough to perform their conquests through cunning tactics and decisions rather than the cheap ways of cheating.
Comments
My vote went safe! Although I have a question for Freke:
- What will the Admins do in regards to eNorway being royally taken over by cheaters, other nations seemingly working together with them and taking advantage of the situation we've been put in? I feel we're being treated unfairly here. Even though their accounts have been suspended it doesn't stop them from making new ones.
Is it only me or does it seem that we're not getting any justice at all from the Admins? It feels like they're saying; "Yes, they cheated and backstabbed you. They're suspended but you're not getting back what you had. Nono. Oh, and good luck taking back the areas they took from you! You really have a grand chance at that against 9 countries."
@Lars Fredrik: I suspect that the large countries with thousands of players are probably more in the admins' focus than tiny eNorway. But in this particular matter, from the active communications I have had with game admins over the past couple of weeks, I am confident that they will stand up for us.
Wow, it almost seems sloppy on the PTOers part. Maybe they just thought "we've got away with it for this long..."
@Freke: Thanks for the quick answer! I'm still deeply concerned about the situation however seeing that we've only been loosing while the cheaters have won more and more.
Think about it, what would happen if they took Sweden, Denmark, Estonia and other smaller countries in the same manner without any repercussion? Several areas with resources practically given to a faction through cheating!
I say they should put an end to this right now instead of just letting it stride. We might be few but if this trend continues, we won't be the only ones who have lost to the cheaters and more players will be affected by it.
In turn this would make people leave the game, feeling that the Admins don't work to make things fair, making eRepublik loose money and respect as a game.
I love this game, I really do! But I won't play it if the Admins won't do anything to make things fair for us again.
So what are the chances on the UK/Russia invasion will be annulled, MPPs included? Any progress or is this going to have to be resolved another way? :/
@graduallynevele: Personally I have no idea... I only HOPE that they will do something. Think about all the gold in the Norwegian treasury that has been stolen and wasted due to this PTO. If nothing is done, how will the cheaters see it? Cheating will be seen as legit against smaller nations due to fewer players.
Just another place to take advantage of the situation and milk it for whatever wealth it's got. Recently, Phoenix (via Dishmcds) was threatening Japan, too. :/
It's just not fun when it's not fair.
@Lars Fredrik: Well, for myself I am disappointed about how things have been done with the premature launch of Rising etc. The admins had to stop using external moderators after the incident earlier this summer where a mod compromised password info. This has made eRepublik safer, but also means less hands on dealing with the various issues. I think they will come around, eventually. Those who have the patience to let things get resolved will experience a much better game eventually.
@graduallynevele: The tickets on this topic are still unanswered, so I won't count on anything until they are. We have to hope for the best and expect the worst 🙂
@Freke: Yeah, I guess the only thing we can do is hope... Nonetheless, you know you got my support. Send me a PM if there's anything you'd like me to do.
@Lars Fredrik: Appreciate it, mate.
eUK FTW
The 120 gold was to pay for the attack on Scotland, which activated our MPPs. If your claims of cheating are true, it's a lesson that we shouldn't get involved with PTOs-- they seem to be hardly ever 'legit'.
That said, did you ever consider coming and giving any of this info to eUK administration? Or negotiating with us? Or making any contact whatsoever?
@Margaret H Thatcher: I would think that Britain would have managed to figure it out by themselves if you've had spies in Norway and bothered to read Norwegian or EDEN news that fishy things have been going on.
Besides... Take a look at this. Taken from the eRepublik Wiki.
"😉uring a 24 hour PTO, Russia, United Kingdom as well as Sweden was attacked, activating hostile MPPs while cancelling all but one of Norway's own. Despite this being a result of a PTO, the United Kingdom decided to attack the Sorlandet and Vestlandet regions. Russia soon after attacked Nord-Norge and Trondelag, while Sweden in a belated EDEN effort attacked Ostlandet, leaving Svalbard & Jan Mayen as the only original region under Norwegian control. As the investigation of the PTO leading to the war revealed that multiple account control had been in effect, the admins interrupted the war, cancelled UK and Russia MPPs and returned all regions back to Norway."
http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Norw[..]rway">http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Norw[..]rway
Seems to me that you've been involved with cheating PTO's in the past as well. Besides, what would you guys have done if we'd told you "Heyhey! Stop! We've been had! People have cheated!" I doubt you would have cared much really and thought we were lying or trying to use what happened in April to try and trick you not go through with your attacks.
Dearest Margaret... Negotiate what? Make contact about what? Advise eUK administration on how Bank of England funds are spent? This information has been available to anyone who cared to check.
In April eUK knew they were exploiting a cheater situation to occupy Norway. This time eUK knew very well they were exploiting a bug situation which is now confirmed to be about cheating as well.
What is done is done and the admins will know best what to do with the information given to remedy it. My concerns at the moment are with the citizens of eNorway and to get these cheating accounts removed. They are not about what might be lacking in London, be it insights or honour.
who or what is freke?
He's been the acting president when both of the candidates got impeached, and he will hopefully get elected president under this election.
@Freke: Well said. And to take it just a tad further, these are your Allies Margaret... People connected to Phoenix have cheated for the second time where you guys have supported and helped them. What happened to fair play?
Lars: Absolutely, I would have listened. We were approached by the Russians, who said they had control of Norway, and asked if we would like Vestlandet. I confess I wasn't involved in the contact with them, but as I was told what was going to happen, I assumed the admin election checks introduced after April would catch exactly the sort of cheating you all seem to have uncovered. Assuming cheating PTOers would be caught was obviously a mistake, so I apologise for that.
Freke: Negotiate how to move forward! Make contact with us to pass on the information you had! Guess what- we're not all cynical, cheating scumbags. If eNorwegian government had bothered to pass any information to us whatsoever I can assure you it would have been taken very seriously. Good luck with your 'concerns'.
DaMaZz: He's a decent chap.
@Margaret: You would? So... You would rather believe your enemy, a member of an Alliance that is against yours who is having a really hard time against a collective force of two nations with 8 and 18 allies each, over your OWN Alliance?
Man... How is Phoenix really when you can't trust your own people?? I'm really impressed to be honest. And yes, the sarcasm is supposed to be there because I don't believe a word of what you're saying Margaret. Sorry, but I'm sure you understand why I don't buy that one.
Wow! I said I would have listened to you, Mr. Hostility- I didn't say I would have retreated all the way to London for you. I would have listened to your claims, looked at your evidence and made up my own mind on the PTO.
Further than that, believe what you want.
@Margaret: That's not what I ment at all. I did explain why I don't believe what you're saying. But let's say you do mean it. That means one person in Britain would have listened to us. You have a whole government there you'd have to convince.
Why shouldn't Britain believe in their Allies? What kind of Alliance is it when you can't trust your own friends? I wonder really.
Just let it go, you two.
Lars, Margaret does not call the shots. Those who did, knew perfectly well what was happening at the time. So wether you believe or not is rather irrelevant.
Margaret, you have always been polite and decent in our communications, and I can appreciate that you make an effort to make eUK look better in this. But with the facts and events as they are, what you suggest wouldn't have been a real option.
This is about game cheating, not politics. Perhaps the future will offer more civil ways to play this game.
Credits to all the players keeping track of the cheaters. I am not surprised at all of the allegations on British participants. Obviously they will do whatever they can do bring Norway down, even if it involves foul play. We have seen it before, and now again.
As for the admins and the solution of this mess, it is pretty obvious; give us ALL our regions back and nullify the mpps. Send the message to the Russians and uk, ONES AGAIN, cheating is still frown upon and should not pay off.
I think we should get back our MPP's too... Think about all the gold we lost in that... The cheaters have earned on making us lose so many benefits, while the countries they represented have only been earning on it. Letting those countries keep what they've earned would be unfair too.
True. But if the admin punished the Russians and the uk, they would just start a campaign of crying like babies. But I don't see Amy problems with giving back our regions and nullify the mpps. They where gained through manners of cheating and game bugs.
The money we sent was to pay off another debt to Russia. We had nothing to do with a PTO of Norway as we'd have nothing to gain from it. We already have your high oil, and we could wipe you off the map any time we wanted, opening your citizenship and allowing us to PTO you without spending any gold.
That fact that we haven't done so shows that we have no interest in anything but Norway's oil, and that we've only occupied your other regions as a buffer zone between the oil and Spitsbergen.
"They where gained through manners of cheating and game bugs"
No we gained them when your CP tried to sell your country to phoenix, rather than paying up we simply attacked vestlandet knowing we would win.
If your CP was voted in illegally then the votes would of been taken away, CP changed and wars closed long before now.
I suggest to you Brits that you make sure your stories are straight before posting... Now you've given three different ones.
1. Gave money for the attack on Scotland, agreeing to being part of a PTO.
2. Gave money to pay an old debt. Not part of a PTO but interested in the oil.
3. Norway CP wanting to sell Norway to Phoenix. Didn't pay up so you just attacked.
Wow, I really really wonder what the truth is. Or perhaps this is an attempt to say "Oh! We're victims too!"
*shrugs* Can't wait to see what the Admins say.
@ George Norfolk. No, you didn't. Get your facts straight.
You only gained the MPPs when a president (who we had already impeached once that month and was reinstated by a game bug) attacked you. Before then it was one-on-one.
It was to fund the tin foil hats.
Actually, that money was not used to purchase any moving tickets. That donation was made to recompensate the president for his attack on scotland, which he had made out of his own pocket.
Blame yourself for not being able to vote the right guy in XD
tin foil hats ftw!
seriously... nice way to make unprovable accusations!
Maths Lesson for Norway...
2+2 does not equal 5 no matter how you try to dress it up.
Usually 2+2 really does only equal 4 (i.e. the fact that you managed to lose the CP position all on your own to someone you didn't like is really no-one's fault but your own) 🙂
mehe
I distinctly remember the UK govt proving these retarded claims as false last time this discussion was had, you wanna go though it all again? ^_-
For the citizens of the UK to understand the relevance of this story I refer you to the episode of Yes Minister - entitled
The Whisky Priest
wow.. such strategy exist...
Why is there an advertisement for a newspaper article about 1-2 months old?
This advertisement has been running 8 days ...
Somone has too much G.
Butthurts seem's to be gettin in the way of sense here.
This article makes me feel happy until I remember its troll poo.
3 months ago?