Open letter to kowalski_afc
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Wanted to try this new 'open letter' trend which I don't completely understand, so don't expect much from it.
Earlier today I went out to the hypermarket with some friends to do some shopping for the tomorrow's party. While waiting in line we've noticed a fat(larger), bald(with a receding hairline) gentleman whose shopping cart were literally stacked full with sugar..like, a cubic meter of the stuff. We couldn't help but question the reasons for such a purchase, since he (and/or his wider family) couldn't possibly consume all that. The 'best' wild guesses, which we came up with, are that he's a doomsday prepper or that he's running an illegal schnapps distillery, since his face had sort of a criminal expression..or maybe he was simply making a homemade jam in his suburban home, but we discarded that theory since it was too plain.
Long story short.. this situation and the fact that we unanimously decided to open some of the liquor reserved for tomorrow, (in)directly led to a more 'profound' discussion regarding social/civilizational standpoints.
And after a heated debate we arrived to a somewhat understandable and valid 'theory'.. which I'll try to elaborate.
Ehem..any social/civilizational standpoint can be categorized as a part of one of the four major groups. In here a 'civilization' isn't percieved geographically or linguistically and isn’t bounded by country borders or nationality..in here a civilization is percieved as a social tool or a standpoint that deliberately or unintentionally creates (somewhat)radical rifts and distinctions among people.
Anyway, the four major civilizations I'm talking about are: global, consumer, national and individual. To make things clearer, here and only here I'll label the national one - as nationalistic, and individual one - as individualistic. Namely, we live in an age in which, despite of the existing borders, one can’t simply claim that a nation is purely autochthonous even with the strong presence of conservative elements. The actions of these conservative elements are in fact turned against them, although they are usually not aware of this because young and middle-aged population is already under the strong influence by either consumer, individualistic or globalistic civilizations. I’ll have to mention that there are two groups that are especially close and similar – global and consumer civilisations. And again those, who in their course of life and cultural development leave their respected groups (glob/nat/cons), are easy pickings for the remaining one – the individualistic civilization, and in that proces some of the newly recruited members often retain closely tied mindset to the civilization they ‘left’ previously. Naturally, all of these groups I’m talking about are not completely different or isolated from one another. Furthermore, they are founded on that basic element of familiarity, based upon which is easy to form cross-groups or correlations in any conceivable way.
In my humble opinion (and also absurdly) the consumer civilisation seem the most 'normal' of the bunch. They usually take the road of least resistance, avoid any extremes, take good care of their families and regularly go to church. In general they avoid politics, although they might be a member of some political party. Everything is ok, as long as they're only mildly damp by the rain and not completely wet.
So you might ask how these civilizations came to be..which is not an easy question to answer. It isn't just the case of blurring the known and recognized boundaries. A nation (people) isn't necessarily defined within the country borders which they reside in. The truly 'interesting' activity for me is to observe the divisions of the people (..of the same nation) through these civilizations AND links between people (..from diferent nations), created by belonging to the same civilization. This distinct four groups mostly came about in the last few decades through increased cultural influences, that are now spreading at unprecedented speed. And by 'culture' I literally mean everything: from movies and books to public institutions and organisations..some are desperately trying to save the polar bears, while some of us are diligently consuming anime series. All these intentional and unintentional correlations of philosophies, mottos, lifestyles, orientations and fashions created something 'new' and interesting to observe. When you mix global and individualistic civilization, for example we get a non-governmental organizations, the ones working against nationalism. A countermeasure would be when you mix nationaistic and individualistic to get a nationalistic movements. When you mix consumer and individualistic, we’ll get social associations, movements for the rights of workers, police unions..and so on, and so forth. So again..you might ask where does kowalski_afc stand in these ramblings? Not so sure myself..probably somewhere mildly damp and not completely wet.
Dear eJapanese,
Thanks for reading the ramblings of your humble and moderately-intoxicated citizen.
Turt037
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Lol this is worded in quite a sophisticated manner, there was a word in here that even I (A native English speaker with a 4-year bachelor's degree from a prestigious university) had to look up xD.
autochthonous
Wanted to use 'native' but somehow it didn't fit well..so I used a literal translation from Serbain.
Soz...what's the point of the article?
You created a model (that <5% of this country will actually understand) and haven't applied it to anything really, except by saying Kowalski doesn't fit into one of your little boxes.
Are you implying something, cuz guessing and formulating hypotheses to questions that someone already has the answer to is annoying. Lol
Native Speaker graduating from a 4-year University here, and yup me too
au·toch·tho·nous - (of an inhabitant of a place) indigenous rather than descended from migrants or colonists.
The piont is, as I said, rumblings. Related to kowalski as much as I'm related to the topic of his previous article.
I could've written something simplistic to 'do the job' but I thought it's better to share impressions of a fun evening.
why not autonomous in this case ?
Because the meaning of 'autonomous' doesn't include uniqueness only autonomy (independence).
I still feel it is a biological terminus technicus. This way we could have even used the word endemic.
U r right. That's the proper word for what I tried to convey.
Though, didn't come to mind while writing
In short, no matter where you are some individuals will still hold loyalty to their Mother land above the land they have come to in search of a better life. It dictates that just because you go to another country does not make you a member of that country if you are not willing to be a member of it. If you're simply there for the consumer aspects (mildy damp), then you could care less what really goes on in your new country, because deep down you are, and will always be, forever loyal to your Mother land above all else.
Not every non-government organization is working against nationalism...
Just an example, Warrior-kun..
Senshi is warrior, sensha means tank 😃
It's nice to read manga. It's nice to love Japan. But, country won't prosper from that. And that's the true.
Am i mildly damp and not completely wet? Probably i'm wetter then you are.
Are you wet, Turt?
Turt, what did you do for your new country?
KOWE, OVAJ TRTA MNOGO FILOZOFIRA HAHAHAHAHA A UZ TO JE I PAKMAN SA DRUŠTVOM KOJE UVEČE PIJE NEKO ULTRA SLABO PIĆE ZA DEVOJČICE I RAZGLABA O NEKIM DEBILNIM STVARIMA HAHAHAHAAAH PROĆIĆE MU ŽIVOT U SMART TALKU I NEĆE GA NI OSETITI... MISLIM ŽIVOT... ONOG DRUGOG SE, REKAO BIH, NAPRIMAO VAZDA HAHAHAHAHA
Very hard to understand.
1. Country is not a civilisation. A country is made up of a number of things, citizens, land defined by a geographical boundary, and all elements of a governmental institution. A civilisation is bigger than that.
BEING GOOD IN ENGLISH IS NOT MAKING YOU GOOD OR BETTER MAN. YOU ARE A POOSEY-MAN AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT. DISPITE YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOU ARE ONE SMALL WORM HERE... BUT YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT...
Turt for CP
Trta englez. xD
I can not judge about your english grammar but you certainly lack understanding.
A civilization is defined as a group of people who have common gathering place and activities, ability to communicate through writing and urban centers (complex economic activity).
Something like a consumer, global or individual (this is even absurd) civilization does (can) not exist!
You are confusing civilization with cultural identity.
You should't use words you don't understand!
I know what civilization represents. Please read carefully, dear Tarasino.
"In here (this text) a 'civilization' isn't percieved geographically or linguistically and isn’t bounded by country borders or nationality..in here a civilization is percieved as a social tool or a standpoint that deliberately or unintentionally creates (somewhat)radical rifts and distinctions among people."
Neither of your definition is a civilization.
Civ is not: " percieved as a social tool or a standpoint that deliberately or unintentionally creates (somewhat)radical rifts and distinctions among people."
You can not say here water is percieved as an elephant cuz the two terms are unrelated to each other.
Tarasino...I think you're making these comments specifically to be as anal as you possibly can.
Language is simply a construct of sounds or on paper, words to construct a meaning. If that meaning is conveyed properly, even if someone means what we commonly consider water when they say elephant, their communication is sufficient.
Let turt037 define civilization as he wants in his own paper.
ahava, language is a convention. You have to use words related to their semantic value. Otherwise no one can tell apart the meaningful from the meaningless.
All i said to him is that this article that seems meaningful to him was in fact not.
An "individual civilization" for example is an oxymoron.
The entire article was oxymoronic (pun intended).
I am sorry if i hurt his feelings. You know me, i don't use gloves!
No..you don't have to use words exclusively related to their semantic meaning if you explain properly what meaning you're going to label them with. Which I did.
But please, continue to split hairs because it seems that's the only activity that gets your blood flowing.
And there is where you are wrong. You didn't!
I can change the word "civ" with i dunno "marriage rites" or "working moral" in your text and still keep the illusion of a meaning.
Marriage rituals are "percieved as a social tool or a standpoint that deliberately or unintentionally creates (somewhat) radical rifts and distinctions among people."
"Anyway, the four major marriage rites I'm talking about are: global, consumer, national and individual."
You can try that yourself with working morale or football playing!
In postmodernism this is called fashionable nonsense. A text that because of its complex terms gives the illusion of meaning when in fact it has none.
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Oh how I love Turt's newspaper! I would vote it up but eRep will not allow me >.>
Dear plato...
Fix the voting glitch.
אהבה
I sent a ticket yesterday...no reply 🙁