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On behalf of the Department of Finance, I apologise about not funding this project. This project which will create Q5 weapons company will cost the government 390GOLD and this will empty our coffers and deteriorate our spending this term and for future government terms. However, we have 100% support with the Minister of Defence (srg91) to run this donation drive to speed up the process of constructing our own Q5 weapons company. I, the Minister of Finance endorses this move by the Defence Department and hopes the people of eAustralia will open their wallets for the benefits of our military. We have done well in Japan but we must show them more!

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Vorodor
Minister of Finance

I'm surprised the mods still haven't got back yet with who stole the bloody money.

Come on eAustralia, give at least 1.5 gold!

While I would love the Country to have its Q5 Weapons Company, the Government has a legal requirement to provide the funding for it under an Act of Parliament which makes it law, it should not come to the Military members or private members of the public donating for this. If the Government can't afford to buy it and impliment it at this stage then it needs to be put on hold until such time as it can. The Q5 Weapons GFC is now a Law, the Government needs to act on its creation or delay it until it can afford it. Its not something that the People can be asked to donate for.

10-4 with that monetary department.

All you do is wait and wait and wait, this has been the problem before, we waited and waited and nothing happened, as all things become forgotten.

Why should I wait and wait and wait for that gold. Our nation is strong, We have alot of big named players and I am sure a number of them would not mind donating.

Military soldiers - Dropbears and ACUK (For blinda, AAR doesn't yet, soon it will 😛) all receive weapons on a regular bases and I think they should all contribute something back for this.

As mod, i say enough of waiting, the time is ripe for action.

ENOUGH WAITING.

I thought they were contributing Srg, thats the reason they get weapons in the first place. If you don't see them as contributing then perhaps the Senate needs to cut the funding for the GFCs of the DoD and no weapons go out to the Military any more. If they are already contributing then why would they need to donate money to something that is legally the responsibility of the Government? The Q5 GFC Weapons Company wont get forgotten, its been enacted into LAW.

The cheapest Q5 weapon is listed at 1.05 gold on http://ereptools.net/...." target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/....

How put you 'auction' the first 360 weapons from the business, ie advance payment! 1 Gold per Q5 Weapon and presell 360 of them?

@Xavier, i am not gonna get all political with all this. Our military is great, but I am asking our nation's help, that's all.

@Paul, thats a feasible idea but I think many players here donate to help a cause and not expect anything back.

I have personally donated some from myself currently and is talking to my business partner about this, however I don't expect anything coming back and i see this as a move to help eAustralia to grow more then anything else honestly.

@srg, yes, you are, your asking the nation to help you create a PERSONAL Q5 Weapons Company. Its can't be a Government owned one because the Government can't ask the public to donate money to create something that the Senate has already Enacted into LAW. Its the Governments responsibility. If you want to create your own private Q5 Weapons company then go ahead, nobody is stopping you, but can't legally ask the nation to donate money and call its a Government Company because it isn't Srg no matter what you say. What your doing has huge ramifications for the Government and as the MoD that makes it even worse legally for you. Start to think like a Minister and stop thinking about the small picture of what you want. I know you want the Q5 Weapons Company, I'd like it to, but its a GOVERNMENT MATTER NOW, not a private one.

If people are willing to donate to see a Q5 weapons company sooner rather than later, then I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed, or even given the thumbs up.

I can predict a fair few people would want to help this go forward.
Every month we wait is another month for events like the Japan-Theocrats wars to pass us by.
I'm not really war-hungry, but I think eAustralia has had more than enough time to start getting itself sorted and becoming more militarily organised. This would be a huge step towards that.

Either way, I'm happy to donate.

@XG, seriously, so ADD is my personal org?
Not one bit XG, i am getting no money out of this AT ALL.
Man, i spend hours and hours as a minister, planning and supporting our nation, and I get a thanks saying im gonna turn this into my own personal weapon company.
whatever XG, believe what you want, if I wanted my own q5 weapon company, which I do, i will make it myself. Currently i got a q4 weapon company and me and cerri have plans to upgrade it to q5
Seriously mate, dont mud sling me and quit your political attempt to defame me.

"If you don't see them as contributing then perhaps the Senate needs to cut the funding for the GFCs of the DoD and no weapons go out to the Military any more. If they are already contributing then why would they need to donate money to something that is legally the responsibility of the Government?"

Xavier Griffith, can I ask wheres the Act which states it is the government's responsibility to deliver the project without the help of the people of eAustralia?

@ Paul Haumon, What do you mean by "auctioning" 360 weapons?

HEY!

I already have to sell a fair whack of Q5's overseas because my supply simply doesn't meet local demand.

WHY NOT NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH AUSTRALIA'S SOLE Q5 WEAPONS PRODUCER!

Seriously!

Cottus, this company is used for stockpiling Q5 weapons. And the only way to "properly" store a few hundred Q5's is to have a weapons company which can hold it all. So having a contractor is out of the question..

Tim09 "There should have been 4 people with access.

Ranger
Scot
TBA
SoR

Now that list is generally trustworthy but that is where I would turn first."


Trustworthy? Multiple convictions for cheating is trustworthy? Put gold/money in their hands and you deserve to see it stolen.

my two cents on the matter:

Australia has just lost over 1200 gold and you want donations for a Q5 weapons company? I haven't seen the budget but surely we are going to run into a deficient this month. Citizens already pay taxes to the government and asking for donations on top of this is not right. If you want more money from us raise income tax to 20% temporarily so we can cover this deficient.

Well I know first hand that we need a Q5 weapons company. I dont care what red-tape half of you people are proposing to postpone it, but I am donating 11 gold rite now.

MM

Patti, I finished the budget a few days ago and can be found here:
http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2782" target="_blank">http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.[..]2782

There are no deficits this term and there will even be a possible surplus at the end of this term.

I will not donate the funds, and I would encourage others to refrain as well. I don't think we should give anything to our government until they at least give us a serious update about the stolen gold. We expect more that to be told an investigation is underway - we need more details.

Until the citizens are given answers regarding this stolen gold, you will not receive any donations from me!

It seems Australia is finally embracing the ideals of Communism. Together, the people are their strongest. I will donate some gold towards this cause, and encourage all who can spare it do so. After all, wouldn't you sleep better at night, knowing those who offer their lives to ensure your peaceful nights sleep are properly equipped to do this job?

The eOrder of the Sun endorses this drive and it's cause. It is to create a fair enviroment for the people in the world, and I trust srg91 as Minister of Defence to do his duty. He has so far shown unwavering loyalty and sacrificing time for eAustralia.

The eOrder of the Sun has donated, and plans to pledge it's support for it. We encourage our members to donate, but it is up to the individual.

Donate to the people who protect those that are taken advantage of

Srg91, you have my full support. Please tell me if I can help in any way. Sorry I'm too poor to donate cash, though I'm willing to give you my labour. 🙂

In reference to the stolen gold

The Ministry of Defence is not under any circumstances able to provide you with this information. They are not responsible for the investigation, and are merely one of the victims of this crime!

Anyone who donates 2+ Gold to this cause will be entered in a draw to win up to 30 Q1 Weapons!

(This draw is run separately as an initiative of The eOrder of the Sun)

The Ministry of Defence is in no way associated with anyone who may have stolen the gold. The people in charge of MoD (srg91 and Iwarrior1) were not ministers at ALL last month, let alone the Ministry of Finance.

Fortunately for you, though, srg91 isnt an a-hole. Because considering how much you are currently slandering him, he would be very much within his rights to not want you in the military that he is running.

Nice work eOrder of the Sun. DONATE DONATE DONATE TO ENTER THE 30Q1 WEAPONS DRAW!

But without weapons for the military, there goes half the active population.

chrisincoplay ... i agree with you.

we must NOT listen to the lies of the OLD GUARD, for they are heathens!

Open up your eyes, ye citizens of eAustralia! Beware the corruption and lies of srg91 and Ministry of Defence. (or should that be, Ministry of Defiance?)

I can confirm that srg91 DID indeed steall the gold, and has used it to install himself as emporer of eNew Zealand.

But even this is not enough for him - he is even going so far as to CONTINUE to claim all the trappings of his office. You heard me correctly, he is still getting all his regular pay for being a Minister. Not ONE cent less.

Its an outrage, i tell ye!

Precedence, Protocol and Prospective alternatives.

Precedence in this situation: Donations from eAustralians are what the NBA has thrived on for most of its existence. This may be out of date as the NBA gets its majority of funds from official means.

Protocol: The senates protocol (I would like to call it 'advice', but it is actually law and binding...without penalties) is that nothing can be done unless an official government means of acquiring the funds can be arranged...(and discussed, and voted on, and dumped on the cabinate to make real)

Prospects: Donations will create long and short term benefits. It will not, in this circumstance (and in the 'prospects' view, any fact will be true ONLY for this one circumstance) create a corruption possibility... or anything else that the senates 'protocol' has been made to safeguard against.


So do we go with
Precedence (What has worked for us in the past)

Protocol (What the senate has limited our options to)

Prospects (Do the pros outweigh the cons based on up-to-date information)

I say we go with precedence... Our country is built upon the sacrifices of the most loyal of us. Forget what a largely self-elected (many senators get in with only 1 vote...their own) forum has decided in the past based on a situation different to now.

Of course a more wise option is prospects...Let's let the freemarket use its efficiency here. Make Cottus Arci give us the weapons nice and cheap in exchange for...his nations advancement, and to prove he truly deserves the highest medal of the Order of Australia 😉

@Cottus
The government does not trust the private business owners to provide a service, and at present all the business owners see is the government providing unfair competition.
@Patti1 1
The should be the sensible option

If the government want more competition in the market place then they should specify where its needed, as in the case with oil, within a week of it being brought, up 6 new companies started selling on the market, and prices have dropped from .50 to .35.
If they want more iron then reduce the tax on it, and it will come.

On a side note, if money is missing from the bank, then a member of cabinet can not be trusted, at present I will not donate to an org that a thief could have access to.

I just donated my 2 gold... you're idea is a great VERSION of what I was putting forward and deserves support.

all I hope is that someone outside the elite players wins the prize, because they get all the good shit anyway.

ops... last post was me 🙂

I hope the slander accusation wasn't meant for me - I haven't accused anyone of anything. If anyone can prove otherwise, please feel free to come forward with that information.

I really don't think that the MoD had anything to do with it, to be honest. He actually has my support.

And if my wanting to know what is being done about the stolen gold disqualifies me from serving in the military, I guess I will just have to live with the consequences of my actions.

chrisincoplay, im not gonna kick you from military cause you dont like me 😛
if i did, there will be 0 players left in military 😛

Thanks srg91 - I have no ill feelings toward you. I think you are doing a pretty good job, and just trying to get some necessities for your troops.

eh don't care all that matters is to get our 1200 gold back

"Thanks srg91 - I have no ill feelings toward you. I think you are doing a pretty good job, and just trying to get some necessities for your troops." - ah, now your just sucking up 😛

Seriously though - just ignore that Minister of Misinformation guy, chris. He/she is an idiot!

Just donated my 2 gold, it's nearly 108 now 🙂

If people want to donate their own gold, why does it matter to anyone else? It's not like there's a law saying anyone HAS to pay.

agreed, if people wanna help... so be it.

Voted, and 3 gold donated (all i have).

You have successfully donated 4 GOLD. This amount will appear shortly in the citizen/organization account.

Thank you guys so much!!!

think you're half way there.