[K+] The Hungarian viewpoint on the recent conflict with Argentina
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Hungary recently got into a very serious debate with Argentina about four German regions. After this, VyC ARG has published an article with the Argentinian viewpoint. I haven’t really felt this accurate (VyC ARG openly said he hates eHungary from the very beginning, so he might be biased because of this), so I thought I would share the Hungarian viewpoint on this case.
Although I'm not writing this article in the name of my government, but I had direct access to most of the information presented in this article, so I can say that they're coming from reliable sources.
Let’s start this at the very beginning. eHungary had a rental agreement with eGermany for four regions (Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemberg, Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate) since February of 2015. Keep in mind that Argentina knows about this agreement, and recognizes it. (At least their MoD did in a comment.)
For a long time, things went just fine, we had the regions and we paid our rent. But then, in last October, Greece decided to land with an AS here, and take those regions from us. When called out on it, they claimed it was a revenge for our past war against UK (which was an aid for the proAsteria France), and that they were saving Germany from us.
Their AS succeeded, and as it later turned out, this was part of the diversionary actions aimed to help the conquest of Serbia, which also succeeded, and in which they also took part with putting COs, and fighting on Croatian side.
Greece once again proved that it is an antiAsteria, proEDEN country, but some members of Asteria still maintain relations with them. Even when they were members of Asteria, most of their damage always went to our opponents, and they have never attacked any exEDEN countries to help the alliance. Then when they left, they continued to fight against Asteria even more openly, but some members still maintained relations with them. And then in October, when they led these attacks against eHungary and then helped Croatia and its allies to conquer Serbia, some countries still didn’t seem to get it, and still maintained relations with them. Romania dropped the MPP, understanding the seriousness of the situation, but other countries like Argentina, Brazil, Portugal, and China didn’t feel like doing the same. The biggest mistake of Asteria in the last months was that these countries were not forced to drop the MPP with Greece, an enemy of Asteria. (Not forcing it was a result of Serbian internal problems, mostly, but that's an other story.)
But back to the topic. Time went on, and although we tried quite a few times, we couldn’t take the regions back.
In January, Greece got into a bigger conflict with both Macedonia and Bulgaria. Because of this and the high determination in the regions, we could’ve had a chance to get the regions back, if we attacked, and they also knew this. But then Argentina landed with an AS in Germany, and went on to have the German regions given to them by Greece.
When asked, Argentina said that they came here to attack the UK. (Which is the same thing that Greece claimed they had a revenge on us for… And now, when Argentina has the same goal, they suddenly don’t care that much.) Oh, also Greece said that they were liberating Germany from us, the oppressors, then went on to give their territories to Argentina, who is an enemy of Germany…
But let’s continue. We were actually happy, because we thought that we can have an arrangement with Argentina more easily, because they’re at least in the same bloc with us, and they don’t need the four regions that we care about, anyway. So, we contacted them, and although most of their gov ignored us, we could start discussions with their MoFA (The Baron Samedi). He was pretty chill about it, and we agreed on that they’ll give back the regions, and we can start the first RW on February 6th. He even mentioned that we have to put CO on the battle to avoid their players, who hit there for TP, winning it accidentally.
Then when the day came, and we started the RW they called us out on it, and started hating on us, like they haven’t approved. They used all the popular excuses - their CP doesn’t speak English well, their MoFA didn’t consult with them before making the agreement with us, etc. The result was the same; they didn’t want to give us the regions, and blamed us, when the mistake was with their own internal communications.
In the meantime, the Argentinean CP proposed an MPP with us. It passed in our congress, but not in theirs…
Since then, every time we tried to renew talks about the regions, they just ignored our messages, and when they finally answered, it was a straight up no, without any sign that they’re willing to make a compromise. Slovenia and Serbia volunteered to mediate between us, but they didn’t have more luck than us.
Which raises the question… Why is the Asteria member eArgentina trying to block the bonuses of the proAsteria eHungary, when they don’t have any use of those regions? It looks like that its sole reason is just to mess with us.
Although our government wanted to go on the diplomatic route, our people really got tired of all this. Our government has been trying to get our bonuses back by negotiation and diplomacy for months, without any success. We even tried with Greece, because some Asteria country said that Greece told them they’re willing to agree with us. Then when we got in talks with them, they just tried to win time to give the regions to Argentina, before we could go for them.
So seeing how unsuccessful the talks with Argentina went, our people decided that it was enough.
So we went, we started RWs, and we put COs, yes. But as you can see, Argentina did more than enough to deserve it. I’m genuinely surprised that after all this, they’re still trying to make it look like they’re the victims in this situation. And then I haven’t said a word about the rumours that they’re planning an attack against us with Greece and Romania, or the one that they’ve messaged countries in the Asteria bloc to drop the MPP with us…
So again, yes, we started RWs in the German regions which are currently occupied by Argentina. But that doesn’t mean that we’re the agressors, as Argentina is trying to put it. This conflict started when they came here, and knowingly blocked us from our bonuses, either because Greece asked them to do so, or because they hate us that much that they want to mess with us without any reason. I personally can’t decide which one is worse.
Therefore I'd like to ask you, dear international readers, to don't believe the lies spread about this situation. Because I understand it may seem agressive that Hungarians organize military actions against Argentina, but as you could read in my article, this wasn't unprovoked or undeserved. We were trying to deal with this problem the peaceful way, many times, but their hostile and unfriendly attitude made us have no choice. Any other country would have done the same with a country openly harming their interests.
Having said that, it’s nothing personal on our side. As soon as we get the last region we need, you can be sure we’ll stop with all military actions. We just want what's ours, that's it.
Thank you for your attention!
- K+
who speaks in his own name
Comments
"We're not subjects, we're not slaves. We do not plow the field or toil in the mine. We take what is ours."
Why the hell are you talking about Asteria and its members?! If we have something to solve among us, we'll do it inside the alliance.
And stop the lies about you being a proAsteria country. You don't have MPPs with 4 out of 7 Asteria members. More than half of Asteria. Instead you have MPPs with a lot of Asteria's enemies.
So, stop pretending. We all know that you are friends with Serbia and, maybe, Slovenia. Very good. But that's all. Stop behaving like you are entitled to have the same rights like a member of Asteria. Because you're not!
But they are the reason you can sit comfortable on your regions while no one atacks you :3... perhaps you owe them some respect on that... as much as they deppend on Asteria, Asteria deppends on Hungary and Poland too, no matter how much you try to ignore that xD.
No, we don't depend on Hungary for bonuses. We have agreements with Ukraine and Belarus for those.
And no, Hungary doesn't depend on Asteria. They depend only on Serbia.
Raul Doru if Hungary and Poland were on the opposing side you would be actually fighting against them and not sleeping... they being on your side is what makes your side so powerful.... because some of you are trully free to do whatever you please without losing bonuses or having to fight for them.
If Hungary and Poland were warring with your country... who would have helped Serbia againt Croatia two months ago? Serbia would have succumbed under Colin and Zdlemmy CO's...
You may not want to admit it... but you need Hungary as much as they need you. Not Serbia.
Lord Doel, don't forget that because of Hungary's "mistake", Serbia was in fact deleted by Croatia and its allies.
And you're right. Our neutral relations is good for us as it's good for them. But that doesn't make them our allies or even a "pro" country. Remember that we have the same neutrality with Bulgaria and they aren't our friends. Just like Serbia had the same unwritten agreement with Croatia.
But we are talking about them behaving like a member of Asteria and asking to be treated as such. Enough is enough!
With Poland we don't have anything in common.
PS: Remember that Hungary doesn't have MPPs with 4 Asteria members! That says all!
Yes, Hungary has no MPP with 4 Asteria member, because they refused to sign it because of diplomatic pressure. First, Portugal didnt sign MPP with us, because of greece, than Argentina do the same, and now, Brazil rejected our MPP because of Argentina. And some of this countries fought against us on the side of Greece (enemy of asteria). So, I think we are not responsible for the lack of MPPs.
And yes, we dont want romanian MPP, because you use every possibility when you can fight against us via satellit states or when you could blame us with lies and awful propaganda, as you did when you blamed us to broke your "huge, secret superplan".
Aham. You say, we are no proAsteria, because we have MPP-s with enemys. Greece is Asteria enemy, I think its not a question. But Argentina have MPP with Greece, USA (pacifica), Montenegro (Nebula). In the same thread, Argentina is NOT Asteria country, becuse this MPP-s.
Asteria members MPPs are decided among ourselves. Don't forget Serbia also had MPP with Poland once. Poland, enemy of Romania and Argentina at that moment. But those are our internal issues.
And, by the way, don't get me wrong. I don't blame you about your MPPs. Just stated that some of them are with some of Asteria members enemies. And that doesn't make you a pro-Asteria country. But beside that, you are a free country and can have all the MPPs you want.
The only problem is that you are acting and have demands like an Asteria member. And that is rubbish. Because you are NOT a member. You are Serbia's friend. That's all. Nothing more.
Thats correct. But if we are free, and not proAstria, Argentina why crying a lot? If the enemy steal our regions, you are out of luck, and try to recapture it. It's simple 🙂
But I think we're not enemy's. My opinion is Argentina has done a favor to Greece to held the region for that we may not be able to get full bonus. Argentina expected we're not capture the regions by force, so they do not have dealt with our dipomatic request.
Well, we're proAsteria since we left Asteria in 2014, and we haven't changed that status since then. Yes,we don't have MPPs with 4 countries from Asteria, but it's not because of us. They claimed neutrality in the battles against Greece, and after that they were the ones not accepting the MPPs. Only exception is Romania, with them we have a long history, and neither country of us wants MPP.
But that doesn't change the fact that we're proAsteria. We have MPPs with all major proAsteria countries, and we're fighting against antiAsteria countries (like Croatia, Turkey, and Greece).
On the contrary, Poland have been a proAsteria country for a very long time. I think all Asteria countries would admit this, so I don't really understand how you can even think they are not. (Maybe personal hate, but that's not a good reason...)
Btw, our "mistake" as you say... You refer to the lying article of elbandido? It wasn't that convincing, if one knew the facts. And you shouldn't really speak about that, because all informations are working against Romania in that case.
*I meant "for the record" instead of "on the contrary".
How did i screwed that up... 😮
And why do you think those 3 countries (not counting Romania) don't want to have MPP with you?! Because of how great ally you've proved to be for them?!
Well, with Argentina we're both responsible, Brazil didn't sign it because of Argentina (they're their main allies, we have to accept that), and Portugal wanted to save money.
the four missing: Argentinian CP proposed MPP two weeks ago, HU voted yes, ARG voted NO. HU CP proposed MPP renew to Brazil a few days ago, Brazilian dictator rejected. I don't know too much about Portugal. some rounds ago they asked 'to save money'.
Where you are absolutely right: Romania. We don't plan MPP to it.
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No use. Keep blaming others. You see the results...
So what stops you to NE Hungary if you have so much hostile attitude towards them?
Lack of balls? o.O
And you are talking to...?!
And then I haven’t said a word about the rumours that they’re planning an attack against us with Greece and Romania, or the one that they’ve messaged countries in the Asteria bloc to drop the MPP with us…
tipical for Greece my friend 🙂
Greece is enough, they don't need Romania to defeat you
drama??
taking notice, v*
what do you have in mind,to obey the strongest?
Only one question - what are you going to do about it??? Nothing? Exactly, so stop bi**hing and take it like a woman.
As you can read, we not just crying. When the diplomacy is not succed, we took 3 of the 4 wanted (and rented) regions with force.
I was talking about eGreece. What will you do about that? Cause this article is mostly about eGreece.
I mean, I wrote an article. That's something.
Romper the protector of mighty eGreece
Romper is just the shadow of the long forgotten past, nothing more 😉
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Hungarian viewpoint of the coflict with eArgentina and the half article is about ehistory of eGreece
Well, nobody is surprisde of see Greece screwing people around.
What do u mean?Can u expain that?
Well, the source of the conflict has a big connection with the Greek relations of Argentina and us, so what I wrote about Greece is a part of the topic.
Ty Lord Doel
I do not understand why Argentina has to respect a lease agreement between two countries that are not Asteria
Maybe because one of them is proAsteria.
Maybe sign a treaty of rent with Germany being pro pluto is you benefit to Germany
Well, the purpose of rental agreements is to try to benefit both countries. It doesn't push you to the side of the opponents.
"benefit both countries"
if it benefits both countries , it recognizes that covenant benefits a country pro pluto .
Is this your first time seeing a rental agreement?
Come on man, you're just getting ridiculous at this point.
No Iamkplus What is ridiculous is that you ask Argentina respect a sane between two countries that are not your allies , and you say that Hungary is sympathetic to Asteria and skip that Germany is pro pluto .
Argentina doesn't have to respect, but if it doesn't, it'll have to face the consequences.
so far all rumors
consequences from whom?! You?! Do you think Argentina is Switzerland or Austria, for you to be able to fight? Beware what you wish for!
@Raul Doru: and??? If we want then fight against Argentina. If Argentina want a new enemy then they get. You have a coward mentality
"Romania dropped the MPP, understanding the seriousness of the situation"
No, Romania just loves Hungary : D
Stopped reading this bullshit when you brought up Asteria-Greece relationship and useless history events.
Keep lying to your people, but don't try to poison us too, please.