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Anarchy existed first. Everything man created there after was an esoteric model of Anarchism. None can claim a moral standing.

Viva La Revolución!

You do understand socialism isn't a very popular idea in erepublik because it can't work, especially when regulated by a small party in a small country.

1. RL referencing makes zero sense in eRepublik, the economy is far more simple.

2. Strength only comes through consolidation of the economy to the military. The primacy of the military in any eRepublik country cannot allow any other outcome than Socialism.

3. Liberalism is the ideal of privatising profit, and giving the losses to the government and the people..

There's no point looking at problems through the prism of an all encompassing ideology...... all that does is lead people to disregard another persons view instinctively rather than really listening to what they have to say.

Socialism ISN'T possible.

Im a capitalist man myself, how can anyone believe that everyone is equal....hasnt been that way since we evolved from hunter-gatherers. Sad reality.

I think in eRep it would be more of a "geek" tragedy.

@ Brian. Was hoping to lure you out (:

Socialist in the game seem to do it though. And why call it socialism at all if RL connections cannot be done?

It is a simplified universe though, one that is even more hostile to socialism than RL.

Where strength comes from depends on what you measure. As I understand it though, socialism is ever increasingly difficult to achieve in this game.

Liberalism, as Socialism, is a lot of things. However, it is not the same as neoliberalism.

I do have to give socialists credit for being interesting to talk ideology, party programs etc. with. That is why I am glad to se a renewed interest in it. It is still a flawed family of ideas though.

Anarchy existed first. Everything man created there after was an esoteric model of Anarchism. None can claim a moral standing.

Viva La Revolución! x2

What Che said

I am pretty sure it is called Socialism because its just practical..We call "Food" food but really its just a bunch of pixels which contribute to our "Health" which is more pixels..see where I am going with this? It makes it easier.

Also, Usually, When talking Ideologically wise, it is very important to add the "e" like with your name. eCommunism/eSocialism is viable and extremely possible. It is actual a much better and easier ideology than the RL counter-part with even more advantages to those who are against it, like monthly democratic elections which can boot a eCommunist/eSocialist Government out off power if it is failing.

Simply saying eCommunism and eSocialism is "bad" or whatever you are getting at is ignorant on your part as you are comparing it to real life. Irl, I am not a Communist but here I am an eCommunist. Granted, I sympathise far more with the left than the right IRL.

Interesting interpretation of Greek tragedy.

I'd argue that the ideals of Greek tragedy are always fulfilled. The plays 'ideals' (if there are any solid ones anyway) are the concepts defied by each characters Hubris and Hamartia, and this defiance is ultimately avenged by the culmination of the narrative - realsiation and punishment.

The ideals are realised, but often in a way we would now view as morally injust. When you factor in the importance of religion into Greek social and political life, it becomes apparent that 'piety' is often the main ideal and the gods the instrument-of and justification-for return to normality.

^ This...




Makes absolutely no sense to me 😛

I have not studied literature studies so I have to say that there are probably better definitions than the more common ones I think of.

Did a quick google and found :

Definition: Tragedy depicts the downfall of a noble hero or heroine, usually through some combination of hubris, fate, and the will of the gods. The tragic hero's powerful wish to achieve some goal inevitably encounters limits, usually those of human frailty (flaws in reason, hubris, society), the gods (through oracles, prophets, fate), or nature. Aristotle says that the tragic hero should have a flaw and/or make some mistake (hamartia). The hero need not die at the end, but he / she must undergo a change in fortune. In addition, the tragic hero may achieve some revelation or recognition (anagnorisis--"knowing again" or "knowing back" or "knowing throughout" ) about human fate, destiny, and the will of the gods. Aristotle quite nicely terms this sort of recognition "a change from ignorance to awareness of a bond of love or hate."

The main point of the article is not greek tragedy though. It is the inherent failure of socialism, even though it is a striving it is easy to feel for.

Esocialism without ideology seems like a headless chicken to me.

Any way, its followers does seem to like to use its phrases and terms when being vocal in articles or forums.

If eSocialism is narrowed down to the organization form of communes, it is note really socialism. Communes, and co-ops does not need to have any connection to ideology at all. In fact the tendency to participate in village life, help the neighbors at harvest, share your food etc. etc. is much older than the idea of socialism.

So if you claim that eSocialism is to have communes, you are incorrect in fact. Also if you claim that having democratic ideals is limited to socialism, you are equally incorrect.

Perhaps it is just good craic to play with RL words and concepts then? If I am wrong, please enlighten me. I really am interested to know more and discuss something else than the latest election and who is precedent.

Now with the 10-man efficiency rule gone, communes really dont have any selective advantage anymore. They have become pointless

"There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill, "

What?! IUP and socialism in the same article?!

My clients will not be happy.


: O Jokes aside, centre party - totally acceptable.

Gheee that was long commentaries (:

"Now with the 10-man efficiency rule gone, communes really dont have any selective advantage anymore. They have become pointless"

Absolutely incorrect. The 10 player efficiency rule was never why communes were effective, their much reduced running costs were.

Ouch.
A screen-full-of-textbook.
"geek tragedy" indeed Yddub 😉

"geek tragedy"
I lold

Any who
As far as erep communism goes, while economically more viable than RL, still sucks some fun out. If I'm being doled out a certain amount of food an a certain amount of weapons, and I want to do more damage, I can't. Also, there is absolutely nothing stopping a the people in charge from withholding weapons from people they don't like. With an e-capitalist economy doesn't prevent it, you do have to admit it would be a kick ion the teeth not being let use the weapons you made. Plus, it doesn't account for people who join and quit. I could piss off for a week, unless someone is going to check on me everyday, the gov will pump money into me, without it being used.

People generally seem to get offended when you talk about RL communism, so I'll say nothing. People know where I stand already.

I would argue that social democracy is not a form of socialism. Social democracy is open to a free capitalist market, something which is definitely not socialist.

"The failure (IMHO) are corruption of leaders, and the creation of a separate political, and union active caste with their own self interests."

Corruption is just another form of capitalism, it stems from personal greed just as capitalism does. It has no place in a socialist state. So socialism itself cannot be blamed for what you claim to be the main problems in Sweden IRL.

"I think I get what you are hinting at though, that there has not been a true socialistic state any where, a common argument. And one that begs for the question, if it was doable, why has it not happened?"

Not at all what I'm "hinting at" actually, in fact I specifically mentioned the Bolivarian model being used in Latin America at present where socialist ideas are being implemented very successfully.

If you were at all sympathetic to socialism I think you would have had the tact to put a little more information about socialism into your article. You've clearly missed out one of the basic Marxist theories that is used to develop left wing economic models.

Despite what you seem to think I did not put you into a box, I asked you to clarify which box you felt you belonged in. The way you describe it Liberalism is merely a lack of economic ideals.

I also think you ought to re-evaluate your definition of "humanism".

@BB, I'd like to see an opinionated man like yourself weigh in on something more relevant than a comment by Starkad.

Johnmcf ""geek tragedy"
I lold

Any who
As far as erep communism goes, while economically more viable than RL, still sucks some fun out. If I'm being doled out a certain amount of food an a certain amount of weapons, and I want to do more damage, I can't. Also, there is absolutely nothing stopping a the people in charge from withholding weapons from people they don't like. With an e-capitalist economy doesn't prevent it, you do have to admit it would be a kick ion the teeth not being let use the weapons you made. Plus, it doesn't account for people who join and quit. I could piss off for a week, unless someone is going to check on me everyday, the gov will pump money into me, without it being used.

People generally seem to get offended when you talk about RL communism, so I'll say nothing. People know where I stand already."

Thanks for demonstrating your blatant lack of understanding of eCommunism.

^ This

Ahem.
Well, I'll put myself in the "blatant lack of understanding of eCommunism" box too, if I may?
When someone can show me it working, I may become a believer.
I stand ready to be educated, RedMen, so go for it. Seriously.
Please?

I have an open mind - e.g. I'm already a believer in Military Dictatorship running a Religious Fascist Slave-Labour state, with exclusionist policies as standard.
Worked for me, anyway...
*shrugs*

Whey, you're back. I was wondering if canada had drummed some sense into you. Apparently not it seems 😞

Well, while you were playing the hero and doing a flight of the earls on us (or a hissy fit), we going for UNITY now. Burying hatchets. But, it seems that isnt good enough for you, no? Not too long ago you gave out that I refused to let go of OJs thievery, but now it seems you've decided to return to your old habit of being an annoying little prick, and feeling that urge to comment on everything I do, always so keen to point out how I'm wrong in everything. NICE JOB ON PROMOTING UNITY! But, then again, seeing as you're so far away in digital Canada, you really don't give a flying f*ck on what happens over here, do you? Never did though.

Old habits die hard, eh?

It'd certainly be difficult to have eSocialism if you think that would involve donating everything to all citizens.

Use your imagination for now Grainne.

@Johnmcf

"Whey, you're back. I was wondering if canada had drummed some sense into you. Apparently not it seems 😞"

What? I've been commenting on Irish articles ever since leaving to Canada. Articles which include some of yours, please pay attention John.

Well, while you were playing the hero and doing a flight of the earls on us (or a hissy fit), we going for UNITY now. Burying hatchets.

what are you even talking about? I went to Canada because it's got a better economy and military. You're an idiot.

"But, it seems that isnt good enough for you, no? Not too long ago you gave out that I refused to let go of OJs thievery, but now it seems you've decided to return to your old habit of being an annoying little prick, and feeling that urge to comment on everything I do, always so keen to point out how I'm wrong in everything. "

Do you expect people to let you talk nonsense without correcting you? Or is it that you'd rather people let you be in whatever rubbish that was you came out with. Seriously, if you weren't wrong in everything no one would have to correct you.

"NICE JOB ON PROMOTING UNITY! But, then again, seeing as you're so far away in digital Canada, you really don't give a flying f*ck on what happens over here, do you? Never did though.

Old habits die hard, eh?"

Again, I've been paying close attention to the Irish media and forum and had quite a lot of involvement. No idea what you're on about.

It seems that you've taken it to heart a little when I told you that you were wrong. Sleep on it, wake up and delete your last comment.

I know you've been commenting. I can read, although I wouldn't be suprised if you tried to call me dyslexic, you've used every other possible snide remark. It's been a while since you graced my paper though. But, then again, with such beneficial and constructive comments such as "schooled", I'd prefer if you stayed far away.

" I went to Canada because it's got a better economy and military."
Kinda proves my point, dumbass.

But then again, you are just a lapdog. Lapdogs don't have sense. All they do is try to say things over and over, again, very loudly, to get a pat on the head from their masters.

@Grainne Sorted hard when all chances of a eSocialist/eCommunist states gets impeached don't ya think?

Run that by me again OJ? I think I kinda missed the point 😞

And really Ginge, I have an overactive and somewhat imflammable imagination, but it doesnt help here in conjuring up a glorious red-flag-totin'-leprechaun-land-that-rocks.
So help me out, would ya? Explain it for me.

and btw e-kane, I like your rogue "D" in tragedy.
Fitting, I think.

Anarchy existed first. Everything man created there after was an esoteric model of Anarchism. None can claim a moral standing.

Viva La Revolución! x3

Rest is boring 😉

Some very obvious spelling errors, terribly sorry 😛

I mean, It is hard to actually "advance" or change our ideology position on military functionality when the people who recognise and see the benifits (and/or just want to change it) are voted out of the presidency. Some for just cause, some not.

I reckon, the Irish Army will be a step into the next era for the Irish and Ireland as we know it. Up until now, soldiers have been receiving weapons and food etc from the fruits of other peoples Labour. People like Marcus, Moonbeam etc who work in the companies at minimum wage in order to be able supply the REST of the army when the time is needed. No longer will this be the reason.

(If this doesn't make sense I am blaming it on lack of sleep..30 Hours and counting)

Mr. Gingle is so friendly 🙂 *hugs*

"I'd like to see an opinionated man like yourself weigh in on something more relevant than a comment by Starkad."

I'm not bothered arguing via this means of communication, it's far too tedious.

I didn't even say anything unfriendly.
I've never used to word "schooled" either.
I don't think you are dyslexic either, just a little slow, but I've never actually said that either.
Who's lapdog am I exactly? I'd love to hear where this is coming from. It's been a while since I've seen something so hypocritical even in Ireland. I have literally not used a single insult in any of my comments (with the exception of maybe a friendly jibe at eKane) yet you've turned round and accused me of disrupting "unity" and called me a "dumbass" and a "lapdog" in one comment. See why I think you are slow now?

I'm just going to ignore any future comments from Johnmcf in this article, but everyone bear in mind that that doesn't mean he is right.
Assume everything he says is wrong.

@Grainne, I haven't written an article about eSocialism in a long time, but you are making me consider it. It's not the kind of thing that can be explained in a comment.

@ ginge. write your article. This one is already buried in the avalanche of new articles. A new article re this would gain more visibility and encourage further discussion.

I also would like to know what you think I missed. I have read some about the theories, and texts on the subject. Granted it was a long time ago, so out of interest. Enlighten me (:

P.S. social democracy is part of the socialist DISCURSE, even if later forms often sway to the more realistic goal of a welfare state in a Kenseyan way than the pure Idealizes socialist utopia.

A discourse is like rope, with lots of strains tied together, but not necessarily the same. Or in other words, it is still in the socialist family, even if lately has chosen another ideal than it used to have.

I'm busy with studying so it'll take longer to write, but I'll give it a go.

I know what you're getting at there, but what I'm saying is Social Democracy is so far from Classical Marxism, that I personally wouldn't call it Socialism. Don't let it alter your thinking or opinion of Marxism.

"24Mr GingeDay 1,121, 13:08 ^ Schooled." on my article "day 1120".

And "your an idiot" doesn't exactly come across as friendly either.

But come on then. Be constructive. Explain my "blatant lack of understanding of eCommunism". Enlighten us, hmm?

Do you honestly think that in an eSocialist government things are going to be donated to every citizen? That's incredibly naive, and shows how little you know about what you are trying to talk about.

I was probably pissed then when I wrote that then. I don't remember ever having used the word "schooled". XD

Write it.
I'm not kidding when I say I'm open to the idea, but I haven't yet seen it e-operating gloriously anywhere here. Unicorn utopia?

I've little interest in e-politics here as you know, beyond issues related to military, anyway. I know what I'm sick of, but I don't know what's gonna be better.
Do you?
Really? Is that^ it, then? Why? Can you show me examples?

I'm sure there are others who would like to see some decent ingame e-national examples, rather than repetitive rehashing of RL old Che G and Red Army stuff (which is the summary of how I see this stuff most of the time...)

Hopeful.
That's me.

Grainne, Do you mean examples of Militaries? If so...

The Crimson Order
Croatia (Several Para Military organisations, we got a Croat to help us with some kinks in the Irish Army)
Seal Team 6

(these are just the ones I am familiar with)

>it took him a childhood in Sweden to realise the flaws of socialism

>gets-better-and-better.jpg

I wasn't talking about units OJ.
Countries...