[eUK] Duhmocracy Leaks!

Day 3,925, 10:48 Published in United Kingdom United Kingdom by Pirate Cat Party

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Dear eUK,



Today we bring you Democracy Leaks. Your hard working heroes of Duhmocracy have been working hard, discussing discussions and holding votes for things, but what have you, the voting public been privy to?

Well we Pirates thought that you hadn't been well informed by those that believe DUHMOCRACY is the best way to run our fair nation. For Duhmocracy to flourish you need a well informed population, with that in mind, we present you the full, unedited Congress Mails:








Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268319
Afternoon gents - apologies for the slight delay.

Congratulations to all returning members and a warm welcome to any new faces here this month.

As you have no recognition from the current gov to exercise your mandate, this parliament is technically dissolved. Regardless, I doubt people will mind if we carry on the monthly thread.

Huey and I have spoken to the Dictator, Alfagrem, and he has confirmed he has no interest in working with this House. I will be releasing the transcript alongside a further public announcement later today when I have the time.

For now I think it’s necessary to either confirm or defy this arrangement with Alfa and after a period of debate I would like to put this to a vote.

I have also agreed to add Woldy as an observer for this session as he has some experience when it comes to dictatorship mechanics...


o7

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268335
Welcome to congress.

I think this body has a lot to offer, and in these difficult times I'd like us to act as a strong voice representing the interests of the UK.

Until the CP election we're in fact the only people the UK has chosen to represent its ccitizens.

Ours is therefore the only legitimate voice.

We should use it.

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268374
I've had a few months out of Congress, but I chose my return wisely....when there's absolutely sod all to do.

I think the best decision for the next few weeks is to put your feet up lads and ladesses.....and enjoy the ride.

It won't be long before buttons return and we're all back to sniping at one another about who pressed which button and why they did it, etc.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268419
"For now I think it’s necessary to either confirm or defy this arrangement with Alfa"

Eh, I don't see any point in accepting such an arrangement and while it was fun seeing the coup succeed, if we stand around doing nothing, things will become stale again. So, I say we defy this agreement, denounce UKSF as an illegitimate overlord and elect a representative to communicate with our allies instead. In the meantime we should plan for a coup of our own.

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268432
You've convinced me Roachy-baby.

To the shed!

Grab the pitchforks...let's get our fight on...

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268475
I don't have a pitchfork, will a shovel do?

Mr Immanuel Kant
Mr Immanuel Kant to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268481
You could use a normal fork, and hold it really close

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268492
Mom said I'm not allowed to do that anymore after I lost my left eye.

Mr Immanuel Kant
Mr Immanuel Kant to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268493
But seriously,

Good work as so far Apples, this will be a difficult period for Congress but I am sure we will get through it, and emerge stronger.

We as Congress members are the elected voice, and therefore Alfa should listen and value us as a group.

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268494
Shovels can be pretty dangerous in the right hands.

I found a hoe I can lend you too.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268515
You really shouldn't lend your wife that easily to other people...



I'll borrow her next weekend, though.

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268527
Mrs Wook would eat you alive, old bean! Literally....if she's hungry.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268540
That's my fetish, though. P hard to find a woman into that, even in the age of the internet.

HiddenTitan
HiddenTitan to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268587
Railing on Alfa isn’t going to get us anywhere, the more we overtly push, the more he’s going to get sarcastic and rail back. Then Wayne will get involved. I’ll be publishing an article later thanking everyone for voting. Our policies will need to be on point. 100% and it would be good to get the citizens involved. A “What is it that you want from this government” so to speak.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 24 days ago #84268908
The more you push Alfa, the more he'll ignore you. I don't think he cares if you agree with him or not. If you really have any good ideas then you are better off pitching your ldea at him.

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84269259
I'll C&P a convo I had with Apples on the dictator stuff and what I think a smart approach would be, but it's more as a talking point because I'm not elected to Congress and don't wish to dominate in too much talk whilst you lads get on with your bit - as he states, I'm here predominantly to input on Dictator mechanics.

Personally I think Democracy is inevitable, but I think there's a safe and more amicable way it can be achieved. And I'm not an aggressive coup sympathiser - just a pragmatist and someone that wants to see a functioning democracy.

For context, the following was said in response to the idea of voting on whether to support or denounce the dictator:

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84269262
I'd probably make the following points to congress; firstly that the dictatorship wont go anywhere fast, regardless of whether we vote for liberation or not. As Alfa isn't actively ruining the country Congress can bide it's time in a full denouncement - a denouncement which may to do more to perpetuate the Dictatorship rather then letting Alfa get bored and leave. As such, I would spend no more then a week putting people in a leadership group made up of Congressmen, to put together a one page social contract detailing what congress expects it's rights to be under all governments (Dictatorship and Democracy). Ratify that by the end of the week through a vote, and publish it. Spend the next week picking up gov roles neglected by the Dictator, which will likely be domestics, but allowing things to tick over. Should it become evident that the rights of Congress aren't be followed, then might be the time to start making commitments about liberation, but this will need to be kept realistic, with the large costs considered. It will be important by this point to have some form of functioning Gov WITHIN Congress - because they cant vote to liberate, they can only vote to try, which means no guarantees. Some form of Gov to coordinate that effort, it's timing and it's funding would be necessary.

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84269263
Though i would say, some perspective should be retained on whether or not the Dictator is doing a good job of governing or not, in reference to the first point about whether or not anything is actually being ruined. The longer we wait, the higher the determination factor is and so the easier any liberation battle becomes. Democracy can be treated as an inevitability, it's just a matter of biding time. Some Congress-Gov can be functioning in the mean time, and the Country can come out of it better by having a clear set of rights for Congress to use to react against any future Government that might infringe those rights - the lack of which is what sleptwalked us into the position in the first place (in my opinion!). I'd say that two key things should be kept in mind - this is an opportunity for Congress to establish it's role in the eUK. It has one, and it has somewhat been forgotten. Additionally, that as a government, a Dictator isn't awful by default, they can be alright leaders (I did it for 18 months). If the rights Congress wants to have are flaunted, by Dictator or Democrat, then it should act to rectify that by whatever appropriate means, likewise if they prove to be bad governors (by robbing or warring or whatever).

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84269265
Over and out ??



Picture Break...



Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270031
Evenin' again lads,

The UK has been NE'd by Latvia - erepublik.com/en/main/law/Latvia/209305

There will be no vote on a counter NE as we're technically dissolved. I will however ask Alfa for an update if he's interested in providing one

PalaceDom
PalaceDom to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270037
Hopefully it all ends up well for us in the end...

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270140
Alfa has been active in article writing so I would be surprised if he didn't give an update - I doubt he'd need prompting in this matter.

@PalaceDom - Alfa is no fool and probably understands the mechanics better than most.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270204
>Mr Knee

More an update asking how he will vote on matters usually reserved to MPs given this parliament is dissolved - such as the current counter-NE on Latvia.

There are also the matters of issuing money (£80,000 for 400g) and weapons import tax (1 to 99😵.

MPs cannot contest the right to call for these votes to take place in parliament as Alfa is a coup dictatorship. But if he can spare a few words for them it’s appreciated

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270219
@Mr Woldy

The problem with creating a social contract is that unless the dictator is involved and agrees to it then it is a pointless gesture. All that'll happen is people will wave it at Alfa and demand he obeys the rules that Congress have decided. No doubt it'll be similar to the agreement between Congress and yourself several years back. Alfa will take no notice and so Congress will have to decide whether or not to antagonise Alfa for no benefit or realise the contract is pointless and keep quiet.

With some concerned about King Willy being CP people have until the 5th August to get the funds needed to trigger a liberation war. I doubt the people of TUP could organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone the co-ordination of a liberation war. Alfa is a master of warfare so a half assed attempt is doomed to failure even if you leave it a month for the determination to build up.

It is also worth considering that if Alfa does get bored, he is unlikely to simply step aside - he is more likely to pass the dictatorship to someone else. Quite possibly to a PCP player who wants the dictatorship medal.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270243
Oh and Alfa's response to the Latvia NE news was:

\o/

read into that as you will...

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270449
Hi all, good to be here for the first time and hopefully not the last!
Echoing Talon and MIK's sentiment, whilst we are dissolved there's no reason we can't get prepared and up for speed for when democracy returns as Mr Woldy stated.

Looking forward to getting some genuine work done this term.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270681
Congress hasn't done any genuine work for years so I doubt much will happen this month ??

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270689
But as you said, years ago we did. No reason not to start again now - can't be complacent!

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84270702
The point of a social contract is to have it post dictatorship too

Madelina de Melrose
Madelina de Melrose to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84271062
A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

Let's stop dithering and get it done. We don't have to publish it yet, no sense antagonising Alfa and having him pass the Dictatorship to someone even worse, but we do need to get our duck in line. One big duck will be finance - we'll need the dosh to pull off a war against him. Another big duck is allies - quietly sorting out with friendly nations, if there are any left, so they'll be willing to help us when we start ringing the bell. A third is fighters - we'll need to be sure our trusted citizens (wish they all were, but that's life) are loaded for bear with high-level armament. It's okay for those of you who regularly top the lists of fighters, but most of our cits are not heavy fighters so will need help and encouragement. And it all has to be done on the quiet....

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84271430
Aside from King Willy, who would you consider worse? Alfa is trying to run the country with good intentions without the usual hesitation of Congress to delay things to the point of doing nothing. He isn't going to hand it over to some foreign entity for the lulz.

Don't see the point per se of trying to keep the planning top secret for any revolution war. Alfa will be intelligent enough to work out the timing anyway as there will only be a small number of sensible windows to strike.

Be aware that the CP election on the 5th could be crucial to your plans.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84272012
I expect one way forward will be the isolation of elements naturally resistant to the means and methodology of democratic legitimacy

Inanycase I have read enough to confirm there will unavoidably be a motion on this later as an official response has indeed been 'delay(ed) to the point of doing nothing'

The Chair will offer resignation soon afterwards

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84272040
I'm in agreement that this should be seen as an opportunity for Congress to once again re-establish its role in the eUK and agree about our organisation and behavior in Congress

I don't think there is any need to be subtle or secretive about the planning for a revolution as UKSF (Alfa) is expecting one. Timing is critical though as UKSF has said he won't make liberation easy and will launch a second coup.

UKSF (Alfa) hasn't been too disruptive (although dis-advantaging those economic eUK citizens with factories in Romania is unfair) far as Dictator and is attempting some military reform which is beneficial. Ironically I think he could have most likely achieved most of what he has done as Dictator as an elected CP working with Congress.

However, regardless of what a Dictator does I've come to the position, we need to be in a democracy as on balance it's better (not perfect) at representing all in our e-society. It's also fairer, any citizen can be Country President however not every citizen can be Dictator in my opinion.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84272111
"I expect one way forward will be the isolation of elements naturally resistant to the means and methodology of democratic legitimacy"

which translates as you starting new congress threads without the parties you tried to exclude on principle before (although I suspect you have already set up several alternative threads already)


"Ironically I think he could have most likely achieved most of what he has done as Dictator as an elected CP working with Congress."

Come now. That clearly isn't true. If Alfa had proposed all these reforms than Spite wouldn't have listen and the old MoD bod would have told him to go forth and multiple and stop interferring.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84272150
I welcome any interpretation from Members on this but you have my assurance I will not be excluding any UKPP Member that wishes to be here. Democracy will not be won by denying it and I doubt I have the unilateral authority to threaten it anyway

however as for what this parliament can meaningfully assert you will have to watch your fellow MPs make their own minds up

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84272155
The ingame mechanics provide a host of things that congress meaningfully exerts (in a Democracy, of course). I'd model a statement on them, and just make it clear that it won't be something congress are going to be told to do, rather that congress will actually start doing the telling. :-]

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 23 days ago #84273188
Opening session - erepublik.com/en/article/2676527

There will be a vote tomorrow.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273477
I apologise as I didn't record Alfa's responses before he deleted them.

I will however note I was disappointed at his spineless in doing such, as his comments were rather revealing

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273480
spinelessness*

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273522
For those that have received a "Support or indifference to Dictatorship" from UKSF.

Some of you will read my thoughts twice (sorry). However, I'm not resigning and this can not be read as support or even indifference to dictatorship.

It's wiser to the other way around. Members of Congress who are in support of the dictatorship should resign from Congress as they are in "support" of having no buttons to press and leaving you pressing the buttons

Those indifferent or against would like to have buttons to press and would need to press these buttons during this term if a revolution is successful.

I feel the majority of us who were elected in Congress are likely to expect democracy or be willing to participate in a democracy before the end of term else why run as a candidate.

HiddenTitan
HiddenTitan to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273557
Completely in support, Huey.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273618
he has wisely not sent me a copy, if a member could provide it i'd be much obliged

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273642
Is that really the reason, though?

I think there's so many two clickers in congress who won't be bothered to find the button to resign, that even if all of us active members resigned, the "vote" would result in favor/indifferent of dictatorship.

Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I think we know this and that's why we're trying to angle the situation to mean that not resigning does not mean support/indifference. UKSF made such rules because he also knows this and want us to see that the vote would fail if it meant we have to include all congressmen, not just the active ones.

And to be honest, though, I do see the decision as a legitimate one: if the majority of congress is composed of two clickers who cannot do simple actions, then it is fairly correct in assuming that the congress is indifferent.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273657
this house will not follow his command until he commands it's confidence

members are encouraged to retain their seats

an actual motion of support has already been tabled for tomorrow

*speaker hat off*

this is a rather cheap ploy after his complete concession of argument on the session thread

GregoryG
GregoryG to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273658
Why would not resigning be a sign of supporting dictatorship? Just because he says so? Nonsense. I say we carry on functioning with the limited tools we have. We have legitimacy as elected representatives, while he has none. End of story.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273698
"Why would not resigning be a sign of supporting dictatorship?"

I mean, I already explained it: the majority of the people not resigning would be the ones which are too inactive to do so, hence why the decision to stay could be correctly interpreted as indifferent to dictatorship (which was used as a reason to resign in addition to supporting of dictatorship).

Mr Immanuel Kant
Mr Immanuel Kant to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273704
For the speaker this is the message Alfa sent

Hello fellow Congressmembers,

"Please show your support or even indifference to dictatorship by not resigning from congress"

If by 2400H (eRepublik time) Day3904 there are still 21 members in congress then I will assume that at the very least over 50% of you are indifferent to the current situation and will let things play out and see where we end up.

~UKSF

Have also sent this message to congressmembers not on the msg group.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273720
roachford I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you merely overlooked the perniciousness of democracy inherent in his request as a last minute attempt to override the motion to support him put before this House for tomorrow

he has deleted every last bit of bollocks to cover his tracks on the session ingame. even I did not think he was that spineless to have thought of copying them before

as I'm sure he's happy to confirm we are in a mutual state of not giving a fuck at this point

the vote will be held tomorrow and anybody that wants this chair can forgo spending £1000 and ask for it

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273769
@Roachford

I see where you are coming from however I've not really done a comprehensive check however from my perspective at it's worst voting turn out in Congress is between 25 to 30 members and more often than not it's between 30 to 35 members and at times nearing complete turnout so I'm not too sure the inactive proportion of Congress is too high

In addition indifference at the levels you indicate to the Dictatorship probably also means indifferent to Democracy.

You need conviction to resign and I doubt there is one person in Congress willing to resign in favour of the Dictatorship just like there is unlikely to be one person in Congress willing to resign "to show their support for Democracy" as it's not logical. UKSF is a smart person he'd favour the deck in his favour instead of testing his support from Congress by asking his supporters to take action and resign.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273850
@Apples, I don't see why we can't resign and still hold the motion? As we don't have access to buttons, resigning doesn't seem to make a difference in whether we can vote or not for the motion to support UKSF.

I did not see what the comments were, but could you give me some of the details anyway? Asking due to curiosity.

@Huey
Voting for IG congress proposals yields a much greater turnout because it is much easier: when you log in, you get a notification with a link to the vote and all you have to do is press a yes or no button. Although this is just based on memory as well, I think we used to have much lower voter turn outs when voting had to be done through Google polls years ago, even though activity then was much higher than it is now. That's because it took a few extra steps to vote, and resigning from congress would be the a similar thing.

I definitely agree that those same people who are indifferent to the dictatorship are also indifferent to democracy. But when it comes to resigning from congress, I don't think it takes a lot of conviction to do so, at least for most players, and especially when congress is pointless as we don't have any power. Imo we might as well try resigning to show support for democracy, if only to see what the curve ball is in an unlikely event that the "vote" would pass in favor of democracy.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273867
Because, you blessed fruitcake, you will not be able to regain your vote if he is deposed and democracy is restored

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273876
do you have any more useful contributions I can release to the public

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273887
"Because, you blessed fruitcake, you will not be able to regain your vote if he is deposed and democracy is restored"

Only until next congress election, though, which wouldn't be that long. ¯\_(?)_/¯

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273929
I will interpret the above as a tactic acknowledgement

For the rest of this House - I am not saying you shouldn't exercise your right to resign either.

I did so on principle at the beginning of the dictatorship last term but as you were elected under it I will not hold back on being disappointed if you forfeited it this early

I also reiterate this chair actively looks for any Member willing to contest it

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273942
tacit*, apologies

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273952
I prefer the tactic acknowledgment, actually...

GregoryG
GregoryG to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273960
I actively protest dictatorship by not doing what the dictator says I should do. How about that.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273968
if it repairs our friendship roachford, you can have 2 tactics

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84273983
Didn't know it needed repairing?.. ??

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274183
I'd rather have a couple of tictacs if anyone is offering...

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274214
I've got a polo, if that's any good?

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274247
Nah... Prefer Fords...

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274261
Sure does, Wook! All we need now is a marko and a swimming pool and we got ourselves some quality entertainment.

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274559
Mfw that message... Alfa's logic is twisted and evil.

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84274605
Alfa's suggestion is the most illogical one I've heard from him. People who are indifferent to dictatorship are therefore indifferent to democracy as you said Roachford. Therefore it really doesn't matter if they're in Congress or out if you look at it that way. Secondly, as others have previously mentioned, those who are actively against democracy should be the ones who oppose Congress and therefore are against being related in any form to such an ideal so should be the ones to resign. As Apples has mentioned, we haven't shown any support for Alfa yet so we shouldn't follow his commands which seem, in my humble opinion, entirely illogical and quite frankly, idiotic. Whether Alfa aimed his suggestion to come across in this way or not, I'd argue it clearly shows a lack of competency and care.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84275600
The reality is most 2-clickers who aren't into Congress don't really care one way or another who is in charge providing fun things are happening. If Alfagrem provides a real war rather than same ol' training wars or does things that makes them better off then they don't care if the person is classified as a dictator or a CP. The distinction is only relevant to those more into the role playing. In real life everyone will care about democracy but in eRepublik it is just a game mechanic.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84275795
To be honest I sort of agree; perhaps if this happened a few months or a year down the line this mongress would not be in any realistic shape to even dissolve itself as a final nod

however as I have seen nothing but raw ego from alfa and this house still has a scrap of life in it left, maybe not.

George Cayley
George Cayley to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84275932
Seconded, GregoryG! erepublik.com/en/article/2676565




Kill me now... oh look, another vote!





Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276067
I will shortly be opening the vote - 'That this House supports the dictatorship and confirms dissolution'


Please choose ONE

Aye
Nay
Abstain


You can either vote here or in an article I'll post in a bit.

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276147
Nay!

Schmidt FZR
Schmidt FZR to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276151
Abstain

Mr Cherry
Mr Cherry to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276157
Nay!

George Cayley
George Cayley to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276182
Nay!

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276183
Nay

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276185
The article - erepublik.com/en/article/2676568

much obliged if you could vote it up a bit as we have a rather saturated media

Hakan the Navigator
Hakan the Navigator to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276187
Nay!

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276192
Abstain

Rusofil74
Rusofil74 to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276388
abstain

Nights0ul
Nights0ul to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276454
Nay!

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276455
Current results (at 12:40)

Ayes

Nays
Talon Karrde
Mr Cherry
George Cayley
Huey George
Hakan the Navigator

Abstains
Schmidt FZR
Roachford
Rusofil74

Keithunder
Keithunder to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276502
nay

Mr Immanuel Kant
Mr Immanuel Kant to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276519
Nay!

HiddenTitan
HiddenTitan to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276562
Nay!

Gnpeps
Gnpeps to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276563
Abstain

GregoryG
GregoryG to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276675
Nay!

Charlie Valour
Charlie Valour to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276757
Abstain

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84276824
Current results (at 14:20)

Ayes

Nays
Talon Karrde
Mr Cherry
George Cayley
Huey George
Hakan the Navigator
Keithunder
Mr Immanuel Kant
Hidden Titan
Gregory G
PalaceDom

Abstains
Schmidt FZR
Roachford
Rusofil74
AMD.
Gnpeps
Charlie Valour

Nights0ul
Nights0ul to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84277180
You missed me, voted just before your 12:40 result.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 22 days ago #84277190
vote is still up until 11:30 tomorrow morning uk time Nights0ul

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84277982
Why does accepting it mean dissolution? Surely that'd be 2 separate votes

Jacob Christopher Brown
Jacob Christopher Brown to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84278457
Nay

Nights0ul
Nights0ul to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84278519
Nay

certacito
certacito to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84278871
Abstain

Ceeanze
Ceeanze to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84278880
idk whats going on so: yay

WookieO
WookieO to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84278926
This is all quite ridiculous.

Abstain.

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84279812
Nay

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281366
Act of Dissolution - Rejected

Final Tally

Ayes
El Speverino
Ceeanze

Nays
Talon Karrde
Mr Cherry
George Cayley
Huey George
Hakan the Navigator
Keithunder
Mr Immanuel Kant
Hidden Titan
Gregory G
PalaceDom
Nights0ul
dougal4chaos
Jacob Christopher Brown
MattS1

Abstains
Schmidt FZR
Roachford
Rusofil74
AMD.
Gnpeps
Charlie Valour
certacito
WookieO

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281371
Congrats guys. So what's our next move now?

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281378
And a quick thanks to Appleby for continuing to run as speaker for the time being - great job as always.

Harambe the Gorilla
Harambe the Gorilla to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281479
what was this vote about? i did not pay much attention

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281494
more or less to support the dictatorship and let alfag run this as well (dissolve)

as it was rejected we are nominally committed to democracy and I will keep alfa out the doors.

expect we will wait and see what CP candidates plans are and will try and coordinate with them

Harambe the Gorilla
Harambe the Gorilla to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281513
but country presidents do not have any power under the dictatorship. neither does the parliament

so i guess a liberation war is planned in the near future?

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281518
you'll have to ask the incoming cp with no power really

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281886
@Harambe

The vote was to establish if Congress was to officially be a government-in-exile or unofficially a government-in-exile. The difference is whether or not to be open about the intention of starting a counter revolution war which UKsF will.be completely oblivious to the threat!!.

All the vote cleared up is who Sir Apples and others consider to be allies or Hitler supporting Nazis who should be shunned in the preparation.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84281917
given only 2 MPs could publicly defend him in the motion it is fair to say it will be rejected and he continue not to be admitted in here

as I said on the article I am not in the business of dividing Congress like the last CP. but I will ask it to vote if they want to carry on these sessions or support alfag running the show by his right as Dict

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84282242
You will also need to decide whether you want to keep or renew:-

Tax Changes

2% --> 1% Work tax
1 --> 99% Import taxes (weapons, aircraft & mt)
1 --> 25% VAT (aircraft)

Others

Romanian Embargo – can simply not renew it but someone can put it up for a laugh anyway
Issue money – £80,000 for 400g (??)

erepublik.com/en/article/2676634

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 21 days ago #84283120
Considering it looks unlikely Congress will get buttons back in the near future it makes sense to hold off any voting until buttons are won back and we can vote with the future benefit of hindsight. We might as well see the impact of the changes and then only seek to change any that might have had a negative reaction.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283139
I am prepared to agree with that argument if you can actually provide a defense of the changes made and why we should delay discussion

I'd be particularly interested in the issue money and romanian embargo if you could oblige as I'd like to wait for Huey's input on taxes

dougal4chaos
dougal4chaos to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283154
do we have a record of what was in the treasury and available to be stolen ?

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283307
The work tax is fine and the aircraft VAT is irrelevant since nobody fights air rounds with weapons.

The import taxes could lead to price rises though.

AMD.
AMD. to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283346
We’re assuming that a man who can afford COs plus 1 million CC and countless amounts of EBs did this to steal the treasury which most likely had not that much in it?

Huey had most of the money

Madelina de Melrose
Madelina de Melrose to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283390
"The reality is most 2-clickers who aren't into Congress don't really care one way or another who is in charge providing fun things are happening."

No, the ones who only care about fun things are the ones who spend the most time posting drivel. And pictures of their arse.

Sorry I missed the vote, guys, still dealing with the aftermath of the accident, when the headaches are too bad I just can't bring myself to play online. But I would absolutely have voted AGAINST the dictatorship. The only solution I can see is to convince him to hand the dictatorship back to Woldy, who did a brilliant job in the past. And who is undoubtedly a patriot of the eUK, working for its best interests rather than his own.

And yes, very interested to know how much of our money has been stolen. This is why we should always lodge anything over a couple days' needs in a safe spot, untouchable by a dictator.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283400
I've already provided an explaination to that Sir Apples - we can't change anything now regardless of what is decided so we might as well wait to see what the actual impact is of the changes.

As per what Talon said, the average player will have no problem with the work tax change, no one uses aircraft stuff so it is unlikely anyone is actually impacted, and I doubt anyone really knows to what extent the average person actually imports stuff.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84283414
but by engaging in discussion over these changes you must admit you tacitly agree discussion is not pointless

if I haven't made myself clear after the several times I said it earlier, I agree an actual vote is pointless until we can enforce it

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84284075
Tax Changes

2% --> 1% Work tax = I have no real issue with as I'm not sure there is any long terms plans to spend eUK revenue so better leaving it in the pockets of citizens

1 --> 99% Import taxes (weapons, aircraft & mt) = It offer complete protection to these eUK markets from foreign good imports. It should help our domestic producers however if we aren't producing enough weapons and aircraft or placing enough moving tickets onto the eUK markets it could drive prices up. One to monitor however no real concerns at this moment.

1 --> 25% VAT (aircraft) = An interesting one. Gross Domestic Product on Aircraft is low for the reason Talon has indicated. One to monitor

Issue money – £80,000 for 400g UKSF did ask me about this one and identify the inefficiency but only way of doing this. The suggestion has been discussed by past Governments a few times however never really felt a worthwhile effort because it undervalues the gold so much.

I've always advised the "long shot" that however unlikely that some game mechanic might one day arrive which adds value having gold in the country accounts or at least one that makes moving Gold easier. It's the only logic to leaving the gold alone I've ever offered however maybe I'm too much of an optimist.

The Organisations are largely empty with the funds stored securely away from the Dictatorship. Although to be fair on UKSF, he has shown no interest and I believe has no interest in the treasury. However, our funds are beyond his reach and anyone he may hand power over to.

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84284421
On the import taxes. Anyone with both a Q7 we factory and a brain has their factory in a 100% bonus country.

If they're a UK citizen do they pay import tax?

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84284980
I'm pretty sure from what I've read it's the supplier that pays the import tax - please correct me if I'm wrong.

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | 20 days ago #84285669
Import tax is based on citizenship not factory location.

MattS1, you are correct. It'll be the foreign suppliers who'd pay import tax.

wingfield
wingfield to and 37 more people | 18 days ago #84298695
Sorry, just back from America and finished reading the above. Opposed to dictatorship but not resigning from Congress. At the same time, he probably owns as much as the rest of us put together, which makes any liberation attempt at pointless.




Almost at the end...




Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321455
As MIK is now elected CP I move we recognize him a the gov in exile

erepublik.com/en/article/2677112

o7

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321458
Seconded.

GregoryG
GregoryG to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321474
Agreed.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321497
Do I say thirded at this point or fourthed, since Gregory's post counts as thirder?


ffs, you just had to mess this up.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321510
we'll have a nice vote tomorrow ad you can reaffirm your loyalties then Roachford

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321593
I might change my opinion by tomorrow, though... ??

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 13 days ago #84321618
hard flag to carry or drop eh

yer can vote or not, simple as the caliber demanded tbh :3

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 8 days ago #84350170
Discussion proposal - that funds formerly safeguarded be admitted to the CP and Officer Commanding, D-Day

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 8 days ago #84351514
i.e. we give the green light to huey to spend money on a liberation

dougal4chaos
dougal4chaos to and 37 more people | 8 days ago #84351558
agreed

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 8 days ago #84351957
sure.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 8 days ago #84352703
Is this with a specific date in mind or for an unspecified date in the future?

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84353329
I expect for maximum flexibility it would just be a mandate that expires at the end of the term (if no liberation attempt is made)

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84353724
Let Huey have the liberator medal!

Mr Woldy
Mr Woldy to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84353725
(Or auction it to raise precious CO cash)

Keithunder
Keithunder to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84354821
agreed

Madelina de Melrose
Madelina de Melrose to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84354852
sounds reasonable to me.... but we'd best get our collective acts together to make sure all the MUs are ready to rock and roll

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84355067
Sounds good to me

Ceeanze
Ceeanze to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84355087
im not much fucking use but yeah i'll be here

Harambe the Gorilla
Harambe the Gorilla to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84355526
i do not see the point, being that democracy will be returned by the dictator

Mr Cherry
Mr Cherry to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84355715
Wouldn't know, he doesn't send me love letters anymore ??

Agree with da proposal.

Charlie Valour
Charlie Valour to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356092
I would prefer to negotiate a peaceful handover, and use the money against foreign enemies

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356199
Well if you say you object to the dictator and refuse to interact then it is hardly surprising if you aren't in the loop. You are boycotting him and not the other way around.

@Charlie

Money will need to be paid to kickstart an anti-dictator revolution regardless. The only issue is if additional funding is needed to win the battle. As Alfa plans to ultimately step aside and not contest the battle extra funding is probably not necessary. Knowing Alfa, he'll probably tank a couple of rounds for the lulz.

Mr Cherry
Mr Cherry to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356232
Wait since when do I refuse to interact with him? o.O

Ceeanze
Ceeanze to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356269
any of ya wanna go back to the days of IRC and BBS systems?

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356732
If we can do it via some form of negotiating then that's good. But how much can we actually trust Alfa to stick to his word? If he doesn't step aside and we don't have the funds secured and ready then we've already wasted the million it takes to even try a liberation.

Ceeanze
Ceeanze to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84356739
http://prntscr.com/ki1t0a
Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | 7 days ago #84357039
Will Alfa stick to his word? Yes, I believe he will. Even if you disagree with the fact he took control via a MTO, he has ultimately acted in good faith and hasn't done any of the dickery stuff like steal the treasury or passed any laws designed to damage the country.

The only thing he might do is pick who should start the liberation battle as he might not want particular individuals winning the liberator medal - that aside when he says he will step down then he says he will. He is not planning to hang around for another month if that is what people are concerned about.

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 6 days ago #84358347
Do we have any assurances from himself of this though?

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 6 days ago #84358391
alfag has told many a pretty lie so far, as is his right

but if he is serious about getting bored and wanting a nice break - I can entertain that...

fair enough

wingfield
wingfield to and 37 more people | 6 days ago #84361141
Agreed to the actual proposal before the House

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 6 days ago #84361163
depending on negotiations it may not be necessary, but there may be a different vote on foreign affairs if all goes well

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 5 days ago #84363793
o7 to alfag for this

incoming changes for your potential interest gents

https://forum.erepublik.com/index.php?/topic/5656-q-a-determination-resource-concession/


Posted Today, 02:29 PM

After the release of the last update about the Concessions a lot of questions have been asked. As we are getting closer to to the update going live, we wanted to answer the most frequently asked questions we have collected. You can find more details about the update and what’s changing here.



Clarifications about the new Determination rules.

Q: We will have same determination in RW's and direct battles? The determination will be assigned to a Region or a Country? Will it stay the same after Day 3929?


Premise:
Country A occupies Region Z of Country B for 250 days.

Country B liberates the region with 6x Resistance War Determination (250/250 days of occupation).


Scenario 1: Country A attacks Region Z of Country B via MPP/direct battle immediately

Country B will have ~5.9x Defensive Battle Determination.


Scenario 2: Country B attacks Country A via MPP/direct battle

Country B will have zero Offensive Battle Determination.


Scenario 3: Region Z has been free for 8 days. Country A attacks Region Z.

Region Z will have ~4x Defensive Battle Determination.


Scenario 4: Region Z has been free for more than 20 days. Country A attacks Region Z.

Region Z will have zero Defensive Battle Determination.

Country A conquers Region Z.

Resistance War Determination is once again calculated based on the number of days Country A held that region over the last 250 days.

Determination will be lower than last time, but not by much, since only 20/250 days of freedom have been added.

Country B liberates the region with ~5.9x Resistance War Determination (230/250 days of occupation).

Region Z will once again have ~5.9x Defensive Battle Determination versus Country A when attacked via MPP/direct battle.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 5 days ago #84363795
Scenario 5: Country C attacks Region Z.

(Country C did not occupy Region Z in the past 250+ days.)

Country C will face zero Defensive Battle Determination.

Country C will face zero Resistance War Determination (0/250 days of occupation).

Country B liberates Region Z.

Country A attacks Region Z.

Country A will face Defensive Battle Determination and if it conquers the region will face Resistance War Determination based on days of occupation.


Please note that in these examples we used three different terms for the sake of clarity:

Resistance War Determination, Defensive Battle Determination and Offensive Battle Determination. To illustrate the Defensive determination, it has been added to each region pages.





Questions & Answers


Q: When will the law for resource concessioning become available?

A: The Resource Concession Law is planned to roll out several days before new determination rules become active.


Q: Does determination go down only when region is free or does it go down for Occupier A if Occupier B holds the region?

A: Resistance War Determination will go down for Occupier A for every day it is not occupying the region, thus it will go down in both cases.


Q: Will I rent just one particular resource from a region or do I have to rent every resource in that specific region? Am I conceding by territory or by specific resource?

A: Territory is not conceded. Concession is done per region and per resource.

In order to rent all the resources in a region (let’s assume 3), 3 different concession laws will have to be passed.


Q: What about dictatorship? Will the determination slowly decay after a successful revolution or be instantly reset?

A: Dictatorship Determination is not affected by this update.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 5 days ago #84363796
Q: What happens when the country renting a resource also occupies the territory that the resource belongs? Do they get 100% of the rented resource and 50% of the other resources on the territory or does everything go down to 50%, assuming no border.

A: You cannot concession resources to/from countries you are at war with, nor can you give into concession resources from conquered regions.


Q: Does Natural Enemy or an Active War affect the concession between the countries?

A: Yes, they do. You cannot have good Trading Relations with hostile countries.


Q: Will the concession with Country A be dropped after a Natural Enemy or Declare a War law has passed?

A: Yes


Q: What will happen when a country does not have enough funds to pay for the concession?

A: The concession will be dropped.


Q: Can concession law be proposed between countries with either: an active Trade Embargo, Natural Enemy or a War?

A: No.


Q: How is GDP calculated?
A: Gross Domestic Product is calculated based on manufactured goods * average price. The GDP is country specific.


Q: What is the resource concession limit?

A: A country cannot take more than 3 resources in concession at any given time.


Q: Is the concession limit applied to the country which owns the region or the country which receives the concession?

A: The concession limit is applied to the receiving country. As an example, France can give in concession all of its food resources, but France will only be able to receive 3 resources from other countries.


Q: Can the Concession Fee be affected by any other circumstances?

A: Yes, the Concession Fee will be affected by Tribute to other countries (which occupy their core regions) AND Dictatorship Upkeep. Eg: If a country under dictatorship rents a resource for which it has a 100,000 daily fee, dictatorship upkeep will consume half of the amount destined for the treasury.

Madelina de Melrose
Madelina de Melrose to and 37 more people | 3 days ago #84375092
Dear heavens. My eyes spun. Shouldn't have had that Fireball I guess....

Anyway, I do believe Alfa will stick to his word. For now, considering we're not terribly good at getting our military act together, and there appears to be some more interesting stuff on the horizon, I'd hold off on the overthrow. No, I don't like dictatorships, particularly when it's done in hostile fashion (instead of having, for example, Woldy take the position as a defensive move), but I can't see where he's done anything we could fault. Then too, real life has been busy so I could easily have missed something.... so if I have, please inform....

dougal4chaos
dougal4chaos to and 37 more people | 2 days ago #84378184
israel and israel again

MattS1
MattS1 to and 37 more people | 2 days ago #84379798
As Congress is slowly coming to a close - anything we want to talk about RE Alfa's options presented to the nation for the new update? Any further suggestions or advice we could collectively give?

dougal4chaos
dougal4chaos to and 37 more people | 2 days ago #84380373
well i'm not keen on any training wars that are purely on our soil. training wars should be equal

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | 2 days ago #84380420
TL😉R: I'd go or option 1. If we go with option 2, I'd very strongly prefer Lithuania over Latvia as TW partners.


I'd go with only one TW: personally I have no use for a 2nd one and I suspect that due to our low military strength eventually we will not be able to maintain 2 TWs without losing the battles we were supposed to win. A BH hunter in our party did say that he'd prefer 2 as currently he has to travel between countries to keep winning BHs at a good rate, so I do understand why'd we go for a second TW, too.

If we do go for a second one, I'd definitely choose Lithuania over Latvia. As I said in my party mass mail, Latvia forced a TW on Belgium and wouldn't leave for years. I have zero trust that they wouldn't do the same to us, too, if we ever asked them to leave. I did see that Belgium in the last few months decided it was ok and are even recommending Latvia as a TW partner, but that doesn't change the fact that Latvians didn't leave when request.

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380578
I too lean towards a single TW but if option two is the common vote then Lithuania as the second.

Huey George
Huey George to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380594
My preference would be Option 2 with Lithuania then Option 1 and finally Option 2 with Latvia.

I think continuing the TWs with both Croatia and Lithuania is good for building and sustaining our relationship with both countries and perhaps increasing our reputation on the world stage.

Similar to the reasons outlined by Roachford I don't see Latvia as a viable training war option currently.

certacito
certacito to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380618
I concur with both Huey and Roachford. Also, the effort and complexity of running three concurrent TWs - plus the risk of tensions between the TW partners could lead to a catastrophic meltdown if we are not careful.

So, let's try not to be too clever/ambitious - and keep our TW commitment to a (manageable) two concurrent sessions.

Nights0ul
Nights0ul to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380798
option 1

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380839
Asteria won't last forever. We need good relations with countries on both sides for when the inevitable switcheroo happens.

How we go about that will decide where our future FA lies. For now having one Asteria nation in Lithuania and one anti Asteria nation in Croatia seems to be a good fit.

Roachford
Roachford to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380878
That logic could go either way, though: we could just as well be interpreted as fence sitters and not worthy to be invited to either of the new alliances after the shift (which I doubt will happen anytime soon, though)

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde to and 37 more people | yesterday #84380957
That's true. It's all about personal relationships with the big players in the formation of the new alliances.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | yesterday #84381190
This was initially pegged for PP-party discussion but I suspect any decision needs to be made either by this parliament or directly through a referendum

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | yesterday #84381194
I would also welcome the democratic government's statement on this too

AMD.
AMD. to and 37 more people | yesterday #84381541
We’ve been saying asteria won’t last forever for the last four years

Mr Knee
Mr Knee to and 37 more people | yesterday #84381952
Anyone who has played the game for a long time will know that pretty much everyone has been on the same side and opposite sides at some point or another. And people just adjust to however the new lines are drawn up. We have been in a state of ally and then enemy and then ally again multiple times in history will all our neighbours.

In the future when any alliance splits, we won't be the only country who will need to decide which current allies to remain close to and which we will back away in the short term.

Madelina de Melrose
Madelina de Melrose to and 37 more people | 14 hours ago #84384783
I'll cast my vote for a TW with Lithuania. But agree that some should be on their lands, not just ours.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 2 hours ago #84386832
I'll hold a bit for confirmation from the other PPs but it looks like a referendum

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 1 hours ago #84387166
appears alfag has acted unilaterally on the UKPP input alone

on the basis of the rejection of dissolution I can confirm a referendum to confirm or deny:-

UKs Finest to Sir Humphrey Appleby and 8 more people | 55 minutes ago
Final deals being signed off.....

UK - CROATIA TW AGREEMENT

1. UK Grants the regions of Wales, West Midlands and South West of England to Croatia.

2. Croatia is free to use the regions and their extra-national crossing points at their leisure.

3. Croatia is to return all UK monies taken from these regions due to occupation.

4. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Croatia, Croatia is still liable for the return of all monies.

5. Attacks out of the listed regions into other original UK regions (regardless of occupant) is prohibited without prior agreement between the UK and Croatia.

6. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Croatia, Croatia is still liable in ensuring that other original UK regions are not attacked.

7. The timing and management of direct or resistance wars within the listed regions is at the discretion of Croatia.

8. If the Training war is concluded due to a bug or event outside the control of both parties - The UK is responsible for launching an NE or DoW to re-start the Training war.

9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Croatia's MPP stack.

-AND-

UK - Lithuania TW AGREEMENT

1. UK Grants the regions of North West England, East Midlands, East of England and London to Lithuania.

2. Lithuania is free to use the regions and their extra-national crossing points at their leisure.

3. Lithuania is to return all UK monies taken from these regions due to occupation in addition to a daily fee of 5,000cc.

4. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Lithuania, Lithuania is still liable for the return and payment of all monies.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 1 hours ago #84387177
5. Attacks out of the listed regions into other original UK regions (regardless of occupant) is prohibited without prior agreement between the UK and Lithuania.

6. In the event of another nation holding one of the listed regions in agreement with Lithuania, Lithuania is still liable in ensuring that other original UK regions are not attacked.

7. The timing and management of direct or resistance wars within the listed regions is at the discretion of Lithuania.

8. If the Training war is concluded due to a bug or event outside the control of both parties - The UK is responsible for launching an NE or DoW to re-start the Training war.

9. The UK is not to sign an MPP with any nation on Lithuania's MPP stack.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby to and 37 more people | 58 minutes ago #84387234
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