(ENGLISH) The Anatomy of a Scandal - II (Wikileaks eTr)
Walpole
As you are aware, in my previous article, “The Anatomy of a Scandal, I have listed main conclusions in the light of present evidence. Those conclusions were:
1- According to logs of conversation, Russian delegate, Mogoba, neither showed a rude sentiment to Atillableda nor uttered a single world associated with Pan Slavism. Turkish MoFA simply lied about the content of this conversation
2- Turkey’s MoFA tried to justify the war against Russia and inflame Turks against Russians through lies and twisted facts.
3- Turkish MoFA claimed that Russian government apologized for the insolence of Mogaba. However, Russian president confirms that no such apology was offered and reiterated that there is nothing to apologize based upon the logs of the conversation
4- Turkish MoFA claimed that Mogaba was fired from his post in Russian government. Once again, Russian president confirms that Mogaba stays as vice MoFA as well as his personal advisor.
Following my article, our MoFA AttilaBleda published an article in his defense:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-di-ler-aleyhime-y-uuml-r-uuml-t-uuml-len-kampanya-ile-ilgili-etr-halk-na-a-ccedil-k-mektup-1787381/1/20
Now…
Honorable minister published this article, yet, within his article, he neither offered proof(s) to falsify the four conclusions listed above nor offered an apology for his mistakes. He barely repeated his old allegations, which he did not support with evidence, together with new allegations, yet again, not supported by any evidence.
In my comment written below AttilaBleda’s article, I said that I would carefully examine the article, investigate its content and write a detailed comment about it. However, the seriousness of the documents I have reached during my investigation enforces me to report my results in the form of a new article. Thus, you are reading these lines..
Before mentioning about those “documents” I have reached, allow me comment on some aspects of honorable minister’s article:
1- I believe honorable minister is confused about his own logs, if there are any. He previously rejected the calls for disclosure of his logs. Now, in his latest article, he first declares that he has no habit of recording his conversations word by word. Then, 1-2 paragraphs later, he regrets that he did not record the these conversations completely” and then in response to Kreutor,s demand on disclosure of his logs he says “I do not answer any demands from anybody but my president. People can believe whatever they want” 😛
2- Honorable ministers says “Even if I had the logs, I would not release them. Because, if I do so, I cannot make any private conversations with foreign delegates anymore”. He might be right for the second part of his sentence, i.e. he can lose credibility by reveling his logs in a situation which does warrant a disclosure. However, as the current scandalous situation clearly displays, such a disclosure is a necessity once your integrity is attacked with baseless accusations. Indded, one of the two main reasons of keeping those logs is to disclose it to defend yourself (as Mogaba did) when baseless accusations are laid (as honorable MoFA of eTr did) against you. As for the first part of quote from AttilaBleda, no, it’s unacceptable that he does not keep his own logs. It’s like a bad joke. Even the ambassadors around this eWorld passes their logs of private conversations to their respective MoFAs, it is a scandal that Turkey’s honorable MoFA does not keep his own conversation logs.
3- Honorable minister makes an emphasis on “protecting his credibility” in several occasions. While it is so, what does he think about whether he is left with a trace of credibility following this scandal, which propagates through his accusations without evidence followed by dismissal of those accusations from Russian side with proofs?
4- Honorable minister, in reference to the article he erased 2-3 days ago claims “I erased the article because of the comments that followed which involves some heated exchanges among many, including some of the army members”. However, he does not explain why he waited ~2 hours following the occurrence of those heated exchanges, but he could not wait 5 minutes following the last comment made by Russian CP.
5- AttilaBleda in his latest article revises his previous accusations (Mogabas’ insolence and his insistence on Pan-slavic agenda) and now he cumulatively refers to “10s of conversations with 5 people”. Is this his strategy to avoid calls for proof?
6- Eventually, at the end of his article, AttilaBleda accuses me and few others as people who pursue their own profits. Can honorable minister disclose what those profits are or might be?
Now, the important part….
Following the Attilabledas article, I contacted with members of Russian government and gave them a summary of what Attilalbleda claims in his latest article. And I asked them whether they have any comments. In response, the members of Russian government express their anger and tiredness for being the subject of a such an humiliating propaganda by the Turkey’s MoFA. Russian government officials reaffirm their previous answers to the accusations of Turkish MoFA . And, they supplied me a set of documents to help me in my investigation.
Russian government graciously allowed me to reveal two of the documents they supplied to me. Those two documents, which you are about to see, look quite concrete to dismiss the some of the specific accusations laid by AttilaBleda. That said, let me also add that the authenticity of these documents are confirmed by Russian C.P to me via a pm.
Now, let’s reveal those two documents, shall we:
1- Our MoFA AtilaBleda, in his article, in reference to the Mogoba’s previous disclosure of the logs of a conversation, says “He (Mogaba), by revealing only one of the 10s of conversations, tried to dismiss my accusation in a naïve fashion”. In other words, AttilaBleda implies that his previous accusations are true and Mogaba just does not publish the logs which will prove Attilabledas claims. In response to this, Russian government releases the totality of the conversations between AttilaBleda and Mogaba in the time periods spanning from the beginning of land-swap-deal talks to the eTr’s declaration of NE. Here is the link:
http://goo.gl/rQewb
The text available in the link it too long and it is impossible to analyze it word by word within this article. (Of course, we will do that in the comments part as well as other articles which might be published later). However, for anybody who would read the content of the given link, it is crystal clear that Mogoba neither showed any signs or uttered any words of insolence nor made a slightest emphasis or hint on Pan Slavic motivations of his country. As a matter of fact, for the topic of “insolence”, the exact opposite of what AttilaBleda claims seems to be the case, i.e. Turkish MoFA, in a crude fashion, display his insolence from beginning to the end in many occasions.
2- Other specific claim of honorable minister iwas as follows “Following my conversation with Mogaba, ekolya (Russian ambassador to Turkey) came to me. He expressed that Mogaba’s disclosure of logs was unacceptable. He informed me not to contact Mogaba anymore” Attillableda continues “From his words, I concluded that Mogaba was fired from his post in Russian government”
As an ultimate response to this claim of AttilaBleda, Russian government discloses the full text of the mentioned conversation, which was previously transmitted to Russian MoFA by Russia’s ambassador in eTr, Ekolya.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11512668/AttilaBleda.Rizon.20110530.txt
Once again, as you can judge by yourself after reading the document, there is no such indication in parallel to Attilableda’s claims, i.e. ekolya neither said or implied that Mogaba’s discolosure of the logs is unacceptable nor he said Mogaba is not longer in the government
We are at point of no more words on this matter. Now, It is time to act. Allow me to repeat the last statements of my previous article:
These ill deeds demonstrated by a honorable minister is not acceptable. Not acceptable at all. We can be friends. We can be enemies. We can even treat our enemies harshly. Yet, we neither can behave dishonorably nor treat our enemies as such. Our MoFA unfortunately defied these basic ethic rules in most obvious and blatant fashion.
Honorable minister must apologize from his Russian counterparts as well as Turkish people for these ill words and deeds.
And, the minister should execute whatever action required to repair the grave damage inflicted upon the reliability of our government in international arena.
But I will not end this article as my previous one ended.
Because, the content of these newly disclosed materials not only dismisses AttilaBledas claims, but also raises an vital question, i.e. a manifest question that needs to be answered by eTr government:
After you settled all details on land-swap-deal with eRussia through your negotiations, what was the real reason of declaring Russia as our NE? A miniscule misunderstanding (or lack of communication) on Belarusian affairs of Russia? Or, since eSerbian president ordered us “Erase those *aggots!”
Comments
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Turkcesini anlamadin, bu seferde Ingilizce deneyeyim dedim. Yine mi olmadi? 😉
@walpole: çok ciddiyim bir doktora görün. bu kadar takıntılı bir beynin hastalıklı olmamasının imkanı yok. ayrıca etürkiye vatandaşlığını bırakıp erusya vatandaşı olman da biraz rahatlatabilir seni. bunu "ya sev ya terket" mantığıyla değil sadece belki seni rahatlatır diye söylüyorum.
Walpole neyin peşindesin ? amacın ne tüm bu yazdıklarından sonra okuyucuların neyü düşünmesini , neyi anlamasını istiyorsun ...
TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
kardeş eğer böyle bir hata yaptıysa -ki yaptığına inanmıyorum- senin ülkenin bu çıkışını durdurur gibi böyle makaleler açman ülkeyi bölüyor bu bir.
2.olarakta senin bir türk yerine kesin olmayan bir kaynağı öne sürerek düşmanımıza inanman...
v & thnx
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La bu kürdistan ayağı yapanların ekmeğine yağ sürüyorsun. Ama allahtan artık sizleri zikleyen olmuyor
Bu arada bu yol yol değil mak meryamazmıdır neryamazmıdır nedir ne oldu nerde ortada yok?
geçen seçim aday oldu 1 oy aldı ne kadarda seveni varmış adamın
Madblue +1 içimizdeki trolleri temizleyelim ...
respect!
voted
v and thanks
Utku Akın terk.
one of themal la bu walpole
v & thnx
walpole senin bu konunun peşini bırakmaman yüzünden bende senin çok iyi türkçe bilen bir yabancı(alman, rus, ukraynalı, yunan gibi -yanlış anlaşılmasın en çok onlar türkçe biliyor başka sebebi yok-) olduğunu düşünmeye başladım.
ama diyorsanki ben yabancı değilim, senin savaş halinde olduğumuz ülkenin yöneticilerinin sözlerine bu kadar inanma sebebini anlamış değilim. adam tabiki yalan söyleyecek, inkar edecek. Amerika Irak'a daldığında "balistik füzeler var Irak'ta" demedi mi? nerde füzeler? afganistan'a terörü durdurmak uyuşturucu üretimini durdurmak için girmediler mi? amerika afgnistana girdiğinden beri oradan çıkan uyuşturucunun kaç katına çıktığından haberin var mı? adam tabikide yalan söyleyecek sonuç olarak ülkesi kazanıyor petrolü parayı vb. şeyleri çünkü.
yanlış anlama ama sen şu anda fazla uğur dündar izlemiş kendini araştırmacı gzeteci sanan bir rus maşasından ileri gidemiyorsun. seni tanımam etmem o yüzden ne karakterin hakkında kötür birşey söyleyeceim ne de küfredeceğim, ama sana bir önerim var; dünya görüşünü biraz büyütmen...
ayrıca "Our MoFA unfortunately defied these basic ethic rules in most obvious and blatant fashion". diye bir satır kullanmışsın, sen sanıyormusun ki ülkeler dürüstlükle yönetiliyor? yeri gelince ülke çıkarları için gerekirse yalan söylenir (yanlış anlaşıma olmasın burda " evet yalan söyledik" demiyorum sadece söylense de söylenmese de normal birşey olduğunu anlatmaya çalışıyorum).
sonuç olarak; yalan söylesede söylemesede çokta biyerimizde. adam işini yapıyorsa, ülke çıkarlarını gözetiyorsa, biz onun arkasındayız, NOKTA!!!
There's too much truth in one single article for some people to believe.
/me chuckles
sil makaleyi mudur, dusmanin ekmegine yag suruyorsun
V
walpole psikolojik hasta mısın lan? git kendine faydalı birşeyler uğraş amk
voted, thanks
tamam meşhur oldun silebilirsin artık...
V
Bir makaleyi ingilizce yazarak ülkenin uluslararası arenada rencide olmasını isteyen şerefsizizin teki.
Yani şeyinize takmayın bunu.
Adamın arkasında Tanks of Kurdistan var kesin götü kalktı
This is an amazingly well-written and detailed article. While people like you play this game, eRep will not die. I applaud you.
10x. Voted
@Sikimashuu +1
dötü genişlemistir kesin
V
Walpole, Rusya tarafına geçsene sen ?
walpole nanaskani yanişkimi on
2 ihtimal var. Ya ilgi çekmeye çalışan bir velet, ya da hastalıklı bir beyine sahip, sosyal hayatı olmayan, hayallerini sadece sanal hayatta gerçekleştirmeye çalışan bir troll. Ya da her ikisi. Böyle adamları dışlayın abi, friend listinizdeyse silin. Böğürsün dursun kendi kendine.
@Turk Orkun:
Hastalikli beyin, olmayan beyinden yinede iyidir be haci.
@kralkartal:
Benim ulkenin cikisini yada inisini durduracak bir gucum yok. Sadece rahatsiz edici gercekleri kanitlariyla beraber ortaya koydum. Gormek yada gozunuzu gormemek icin yummak size kalmis.
@ozan.D
He hoca. Ben yabanciyim. Hafizanallah, bir Turk'ten dogru bildigi seyi dile getirmek icin cevresiyle, arkadaslariyla, oteriteyle catismasini beklemek olmaz zaten; Bir Turk'ten beklenen heee demesi, koyun gibi suruye karismasi, birilerine yaranmak icin bilumum yagdanligi yapmasidir cunku. Ha, bu sirada unutmadan... Istanbul guzel, raki sis kebap guzel, yine gelecek ben.
@Kemal Selahattin:
Seninkisi "La bu gavur televizyonlari Turkiye haberlerinde niye gecekondulari, sokak cocuklarini gosteriyorlar." diye hop oturup hop kalkan, asagilik kompleksinden muzdariplerin yaklasimi. Sen disisleri bakaninin seni aptal yerine koyup gozune baka baka yalan soylemesini sorun etmiyorsan, bosver, gavurun bunu duymasini da sorun etme.
@AlcherBlack
Thanks dude.
@Katree
Ne demis tasavvufcular: "Kendinde gör kendi yüzünü, sen başka yüz isteme". Ama senin icin gec kalmis bir mesaj olmus bu. Zira, ne oldugunu cok fena acip sacmissin. 😉 (Biliyom, anlamiyacan ne dedigimi, bosver anlamiyiver bunuda. Nash!)
Walpole daha sen ortalıkta yokken(erepte) ben buradaydım.İşlerinde nasıl yürüdügünü az çok biliyorum.
Senden çok hükümet gördüm senden çok hükümet eleştirdim.Ancak senin kadar aşagılık şekilde degil.
Sence herhangi bir e-devlet diplomatik görüşmeleri önüne gelene verir mi???Sen bu metnin hiçbir şekilde degişime ugramadıgını nasıl ispatlayabilirsin???
Onu geçtim dogrulugu tatışılabilinicek bir metinle kendi bakanını hedef almakta ayrıca bu konuda bir kesinlige ulaşmadan şov yapar gibi metni ingilizce sunmaktasın.Bu nasıl gazeteciliktir???
hiç bişi anlamadım.
birincisi ben "yabanci olablirsin" derken türk kuzu kuzu söyleneni yapar demedim senin insanların kafasını karıştırmak insanları bölmek için çaılışan bir yabanci olabileceğini söyledim, konuyu çarpıtmaya çalışma. ayrıca "bir Turk'ten dogru bildigi seyi dile getirmek icin cevresiyle, arkadaslariyla, oteriteyle catismasini beklemek olmaz" demişsin, doğru olduğuna nasıl emin oldun? sakın rus bilmemkimiyle görüştüm deme şu an göründüğünden daha dar görüşlü, daha seviyesiz gözükürsün. genelde birşeyin doğru olup olmadığı nasıl belerlenir biliyorsundur heralde?. binlerce deney gözlem yapılır teoriler hazırlanır, senin yaptığın gibi 2 satır yazıya bakıp "evet bu doğruymuş, şu yanlışmış" demek, haftalarca dışişlerinin yaptığı onlarca konuşmayı (şimdi diyeceksin konuşmaları bize vermediler, hangi ülke verirki kendi hassas bilgilerini topluma?) hiçe saymak, hangi akla sığar?
ikincisi koskoca yazımdan o kadarcık yer dikkatini çektiyse ve sadece ona yorum yapabildiysen ve diğer şeylere cevap veremediysen zaten kelimelerin bittiği yerdeyiz. seni ayakta alkışlıyorum...
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