[EN/FR] Hongrois, ne nous trahissez pas !
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http://laterredesanciens.fr/erep/journal/v2/puce.jpg"> Hongrois, ne nous trahissez pas.
http://laterredesanciens.fr/erep/journal/v2/puce.jpg"> Hungarians, do not betray us.
Chers lecteurs,
Vous l’aurez peut être constaté, le rythme de parution du Grand Journal a significativement, pour ne pas dire radicalement, baissé depuis quelques temps. Plusieurs facteurs sont en cause : le retour (ou presque) du beau temps, un agenda IRL chargé durant ce mois et la préparation d’un projet sur eRepublik qui me tient particulièrement à cœur et dont vous verrez très bientôt la finalité. Cette éphémère retraite journalistique aurait pu durer encore quelque temps si je n’était pas tombé sur cet article en relation directe avec le sujet chaud du moment : la reprise de RA et d’Aquitaine.
La plupart d’entre vous sont déjà au courant, un contrat a été passé avec les Hongrois en échange de leur coopération à nos côtés durant cette journée que beaucoup qualifient d’épique. Ainsi, il fut décidé entre nos deux gouvernements qu’en cas de victoire en RA la région serait gardée par les Hongrois pour une durée non négociable (mais extensible) de trois mois en échange de 15% des revenus mensuel Hongrois (avec un plafond allant de 1.600 à 2.400 golds). La région fut conquise, ainsi qu’Aquitaine, et la population Hongroise fit ses bagages pour s’installer provisoirement dans leur nouveau poumon économique. L’affaire semblait réglée, et tout allait pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes. Mais voila, comme le dit un bon vieil adage : tout est bon, rien ne vas plus.
Il semblerait que nos amis Hongrois, pourtant fort impatient d’avoir cette région (au point de lancer l’attaque initale en solitaire alors que tous les chefs d’armées s’étaient résignés à retarder l’attaque en raison d’une fuite, prouvant une nouvelle fois l’intérêt que portent certains dirigeants Hongrois aux avis de leur alliés), désirent désormais vendre la région si nous n’acceptons pas de réduire le montant de la taxe qu’ils doivent nous payer et/ou d’allonger la durée de location. La raison? L’investissement ne serait visiblement pas assez profitable à leur goût, avancant que l’attaque leur aurait coûté dans les alentours de 6.000 golds. Or, si l’on part du principe que la région rapporte grosso modo 250G par jour (la tranche moyenne), cela nous donne un revenu total d’environ 7.500G par mois. Soit 7500-2000 = 5.500G de benefices par mois. Sur trois mois. Soit une bénéfice total durant les trois mois de 16.500G. Mes amis, je vous le dis, le jour ou l’on me proposera d’investir 6.000G pour en retirer 16.500G trois mois plus tard (surtout quand je viens de perdre ma plus importante région high, HK, et que cette perte sèche m’a particulièrement affaible), je ne réfléchirai pas ! Je refuserai, évidemment ! Après tout, si les Hongrois ne trouvent pas cela rentable, c’est que ça doit l’être.
Mais ce n’est pas tout mes amis eFrançais, savez vous que nous sommes non seulement de mauvais alliés mais également un peuple avare, radin et incapable de faire de compromis ! Nous avons en effet osé accepter le marché qui nous a initialement été proposé par les Hongrois (et qui avait été refusé à l’époque) et voila que maintenant, impies que nous sommes, nous osons demander à ce qu’il soit appliqué. Oui, vous avez bien entendu, l’eFrance poignarde la Hongrie dans le dos en lui demandant de respecter ses engagements. Et je n’invente rien, je cite l’article donné plus haut.
Alors oui, je vous l’accorde, l’eFrance n’aurait jamais été capable de récupérer une seule des deux régions récemment conquises sans l’aide de Phoenix. C’est un fait. Mais la Hongrie aurait-elle été capable de conquérir RA sans la diversion eFrançaise et la puissance phénoménale de l’armée serbe qui a transformée la contre-attaque du Liaoning en une victoire éclatante ? Je ne le pense pas. A nos amis Hongrois, je ne dirais qu’une chose : si il y a une personne avare, avide de pouvoir et sur qui l’on peut émettre de sérieux doutes quand à la fiabilité de ses engagements, c’est bien vous. Vous nous avez proposé un marché, nous l’avons d’abord refusé – puis accepté. S’il était si peu rentable, pourquoi avoir insisté ? Mais voila, maintenant, nous avons parfaitement accompli notre part, à vous de faire de même. Ne nous faites pas croire à travers vos articles de propagande que nous sommes les personnes à s’en mettre plein les poches dans cette histoire : vos revenus dépassaient largement les notres avant, ce fait ne s’accentue que plus aujourd’hui.
En nous menaçant de vendre la région (nous empêchant donc de recevoir les taxes prévues au départ, tout en vous en mettant dans les poches au passage) si nous n’acceptons pas les termes de votre nouveau contrat (établi unilatéralement par… vous-même), vous n’obtenez que le rôle de maitre chanteur et d’impérialiste. Vous donnez non seulement une mauvaise image de vous-même, mais également de l’alliance dont vous faites parti. Nous sommes actuellement à un point de non retour, et quelles que soient les avancées qui seront faites dans les prochains jour concernant ce problèmes, elles auront des répercutions durables et profondes en ce qui concerne les relations France – Entente / Phoenix.
Alors oui, je suis d’accord, il faut trouver un compromis. Pourquoi pas en passant la durée du contrat de trois mois à six mois, l'eFrance n'étant de toute façon pas encore prête à exploiter pleinement le potentiel de la région tant qu'elle ne sera pas plus peuplée. Mais il faut également apprendre à donner, quand bien même on en habitué à toujours tout avoir. La balle est dans votre camp, ne nous décevez pas.
En bonus, pour ceux qui disent que Karnataka > RA :
17. RHONE ALPS (658 comp.): 1,313.83 GOLD, 108,484.02 productivity, 3450 empl
19. KARNATAKA (419 comp.): 1,128.68 GOLD, 96,638.56 productivity, 2515 emp
Et les USA payent 1.200G, pas 800G.
Merci Tim Paulsen de l'information.
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Dear Readers
You may have noticed, the frequency of publication of "le Grand Journal" has been significantly, if not radically, reduced for some time. Several factors are involve
😛the return (or almost) of sunny weather, an IRL calendar quite loaded during this month and the preparation of a project on eRepublik which is close to my heart and you will see very soon the purpose. This ephemeral journalistic retirement could last for some time if I had not stumbled upon this article in direct contact with the hot topic of the moment: the conquest of RA and Aquitaine.
Most of you already know, a contract was signed with Hungary in exchange for their cooperation with us during the day that much qualifies as epic. Thus, it was decided between our two governments in case of victory in RA that te region will be kept by the Hungarians for a non negociable (but extensible) period of three months in exchange of a 15% monthly income of Hungary (with a ceiling from 1600-2400 golds). The region was conquered with Aquitaine, and the Hungarian people had packing to settle temporarily in their new economic powerhouse. The matter seemed settled, and everything was going well in the brave new world. But here it is, as it says in the good old adage: everything is good, no longer going.
It seems that our Hungarian friends, yet very impatient to have this region (to launch the attack alone while all the army leaders were resigned to delay the attack because of a leak, proving once again the interest of some Hungarian leaders to review their allies) now want to sell the region if we do not reduce the amount of tax they must pay us and / or lengthen the rental period. The reason? The investment is not profitable enough for their taste, arguing that the attack would have cost in the neighborhood of 6,000 golds. However, if one assumes that RA makes 250G a day (the middle range), this gives us a total revenue of approximately 7.500G month. Let 7500-2000 = 5.500G of profits per month. In three months. Either a total profit of 16.500G. My friends, I tell you, the day I will be asking to invest 6.000G to remove 16,500G three months later (especially when I just lost my only high region, HK, and that the deadweight makes me particularly weak), I will not think much about it! I will refuse, of course! After all, if the Hungarians do not find it profitable, it should be.
But that's not all my eFrench friends, you know that we are not only bad allies but also a greedy country, unable to compromise! Indeed, we dare to accept the market that we had originally been proposed by the Hungarians (who had been refused the first time) and here now, we're wicked, we dare ask if it is applied. Yes, you heard right, the eFrance stabbed Hungary in the back asking them to meet its commitments. And I invent nothing, I quote the article given above.
So yes, I grant you, eFrance would have never been able to recover one of the two regions recently conquered without the help of Phoenix. It is a fact. But Hungary could she have been able to win without RA eFrançaise diversion and the phenomenal power of the Serbian army has turned against the attack of Liaoning in a victory? I do not think so. In our Hungarian friends, I would not say one thing: if somebody is greedy, power hungry and that we may issue serious doubts about the reliability of its commitments, it's you. You have proposed a market, we have initially refused - and then accepted. If it was so profitable, why stress? But voila, now we have done our part well, for you to do the same. Do not make us think through your propaganda articles that we are the people to them to fill their pockets in this story: your income far exceeded ours before, this fact is growing as today.
By threatening to sell the region (thus preventing us receiving the fees originally planned, while you are putting into their pockets to pass) if we do not accept the terms of your new contract (drawn unilaterally by yourself ... ), you only get the role of master singer and imperialist. You not only give a bad image of yourself, but also the alliance that you use. We are now at a point of no return, whatever the advances that are made within the next few days about this problem, they will have lasting and profound repercussions in the relations France - Entente / Phoenix.
So yes, I agree, we must find a compromise. Why not spend the duration of the three months to six months, anyway eFrance is not yet ready to fully exploit the potential of the region as it will not be more populated. But we must also learn to give, even when we used to always have it all. The ball is in your court, do not disappoint us.
By the way :
17. RHONE ALPS (658 comp.): 1,313.83 GOLD, 108,484.02 productivity, 3450 empl
19. KARNATAKA (419 comp.): 1,128.68 GOLD, 96,638.56 productivity, 2515 emp
And USA pay 1.200G, not 800G.
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I totally agree. The behavior of some hungarians about this is very hypocrite.
One wor😛 Honour... That's what is at stake here,as well as mutual trust, a necessity for a long lasting relationship.
And Nicolas Anelka, what is he thinking about this affair?
If have contract signed between Fraance and Hungary then Hungary no need to broke contract and want new, that is unfair and that action will make bad image of Phoenix like aliance.
@ Kreuziger
Nicolas Anelka think that Raymond Domenech is guilty for this issue ..
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I understand your arguments, but PHX spend over 10.000 gold the last months, it wasn't easy for all PHX countries.
We had do pay extra-taxes for liberating France and attacking RA.
France is a strong country and has a good relationship with PHX, it is necessary to come to a compromise.
Best wishes from Germany!
this chicken picture is good!
Non voté, c'était prévisible.
"We had do pay extra-taxes for liberating France and attacking RA."
You had FUN in return!
i knew this will happen, so i was right
nothing new under the sun 😁
all i can say is lol, wake up
S'il vous plait, ne cautionnez pas cette propagande inutile.
Please, don't guarantee this kind of useless propaganda.
Kreuziger, French MoFA.
You french people, Just traded spanish occupation for Hungarian Occupation. Clap it up 🙂 EDEN isnt evil, not all pheonix members are evil, its the leaders of Pheonix that take advantage of the rest of the alliance are the ones that are evil.
If possible, let someone doublecheck your English translations (is it made by google?), because it has quite some litteral translations in it (ENTENTE = "Agreement" 😛 ). Otherwise a very good article, voted and subscribed!
Support this article! French need money for Lyne Faynel back. She dont wanna back if tresor is empty.
Lyne Faynel for president!
Looking forward to reaching an understandment satisfying for all.
man i wish i couls speak french like that 😃 i love france
Je trouve vraiment l'attitude du gouvernement hongrois lamentable...
Négocier un compromis, puis au moment de le rendre public faire la sourde oreille et mettre le boxon dans l'opinion publique des deux pays.
De plus le SG de Phoenix qui connait tous les aboutissants, à préférer prendre le parti Hongrois. (logique ils sont plus banquables que nous)
Le montant de la location 1/5/10/1000/2000 gold à la rigueur je me fous complètement, c'est plus le principe qui me choque...
where's France?
Hungarians are backstabbers, they will pay You a little amount of money and they will collect huge tons of golds from Your companies !
Dont you think 1600 gold is a little to much for a wood region?
Its not the same as iron you know Hungary would be better off without it 😒 .They cant make that region productive in just 3 months!And with that rent you want them to pay they will probably lose gold :/
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Khm. I wasn't know anything abouth some contract. But I know, that eFrance can not defend even one of thoes two regions. For me is normal to you let RA to PHX and move all your cityzens in AQ. Build there a DS and make MPPs to PHX countreys, who WILL help you to defend AQ from eSpain. eGermany was geven us eSlovenians Hiregion just to use it, and I thanks to them. And Im shure you shouldnt charged to PHX, for using RA. You really don't needed both wood Hiregions for yourself...
eFrance.
Pxoenix is not for you
These are not real friends
Hail EDEN!
dude, wood it's not the same thing as iron...USA pay about 8-900 gold/month for a high iron region (Karnatka), it's only fair to pay a reasonable price as a rent...u can't keep ur high regions without Phoenix help anyway...so don't act like in WW1 and WW2 when others win ur wars and u try to make the rules...
Khm. I wasn't know anything abouth some contract. But I know, that eFrance can not defend even one of thoes two regions. For me is normal to you let RA to PHX and move all your cityzens in AQ. Build there a DS and make MPPs to PHX countreys, who WILL help you to defend AQ from eSpain. eGermany was geven us eSlovenians Hiregion just to use it, and I thanks to them. And Im shure you shouldnt charged to PHX, for using RA. You really don't needed both wood Hiregions for yourself... x2
This is a very complicate matter but I really don't think that eFrance can capitalize on two High Wood regions just now.
Focusing on Aquitaine, however, there's the possibility to mold the economy to fit the boost in the production so that the transition would be much faster once they got both High Wood within their borders.
Acquiring both of them now would possibly mean losing profit for a few months before the companies started bringing the money in.
"USA pay about 8-900 gold/month for a high iron region"
Yeah, that is why India want to get back the region. It was maybe profitable for them month ago, but now ...
@Aniol Zaglady
Indeed. Real friends are the ones who want to cease your existance. Good point there.
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Dont you think 1600 gold is a little to much for a wood region?
Its not the same as iron you know Hungary would be better off without it 😒 .They cant make that region productive in just 3 months!And with that rent you want them to pay they will probably lose gold :/
=> lol... give the region back so ?
@Blackbower's "One wor😛 Honour... That's what is at stake here,as well as mutual trust, a necessity for a long lasting relationship.":
...So true. Didn't mama warn you not to play with burnt chickens? (ie, "making deal with devil" / "counting chickens before hatched"?
No, we don't have an agreement. Our MoFA said that they are still consulting. If we will have an agreement we will keep that. But the main problem is that your leaders said the agreement is already, ours said it's not.
"if somebody is greedy, power hungry and that we may issue serious doubts about the reliability of its commitments, it's you."
Sir, your abilities in the field of making friends are impressing!
@Myyst...India can't keep that region, so eUSA simply won't give it back to them...they know how important it is for their economy...just think about the 4-5000 US workers there, and lot's of companies...USA can't get back easy to Karnatka if they give it back, in Europe it's another thing all together...
"However, if one assumes that 15% of revenues = 2.000G (the middle range), this gives us a total revenue of approximately 13.500G month. Let 13500-2000 = 11.500G of profits per month. In three months. Either a total profit of 34.500G."
On what do you base this calculation? LK makes no where near that and Serbia has 3 times more workers than Hungary does.
Your calculation is pure B$. Let me give you another one, taking into account that Hungarians are older players and salaries will be high, and let's take into account 2000 land workers with skill 6+ and let's even give them a tax of 0.1 gold per worker on average, that's 200G (in HUF) per day, 6000 G per month.
Now you might argue that 2000 workers is too low, I say it's even generous number since part of land workers works in military, other part in grain industry or abroad. Even if they had 4000 workers, they would make 12000 gold (in HUF!!! You can't just go to MM and buy 12000 gold for HUF!), which is no where near 34.000 gold you calculated. Remember that while under Spain or Poland, RA had over 10000 workers, and salaries were mostly crap (due to high number of workers).
regards,
-Ludak021
@Lipullule...u polish would like that very much 😛PP
Tous les migrateurs ont pas d'honeur. Et les hongrois sont aussi des migraterus, trahisson et dishoneur sont fortement inscrits dans leur code genetique. Une alliance avec Hongie est la garantie du defet.
"Thus, it was decided between our two governments in case of victory in RA that te region will be kept by the Hungarians for a non negociable (but extensible) period of three months in exchange of a 15% monthly income of the region (with a ceiling from 1600-2400 golds)."
The problem is, that the French govt wants the 15% of the _total hungarian income_, not 15% of the incomes of Rhone Alps. 🙂
Where from did u get 12k+ gold a month thing? Could u please give me your formula for calculating this?
This is not the problem.
The problem is that Hungary had a contract with France and it will not respect it.
If the deal does not please them no one forced them.
@giap...if u don't have the b**ls or the knowlege to write in english, at least don't be rude...talking about french honour...pshaw
1. USA pays 1200 g/mos
2. USA IS returning it next month.
3. Yes USA understands it will hurt them bad.
4. USA HONORS commitments!
bukta
Mu ha ha
You betrayed us and even not our allies.
If you want Rhone Alps - come and take it!
(@ Anunnaki CO: Nice to find someone who looks for accurate data before trying to compute.)
17. RHONE ALPS (658 comp.): 1,313.83 GOLD, 108,484.02 productivity, 3450 empl
19. KARNATAKA (419 comp.): 1,128.68 GOLD, 96,638.56 productivity, 2515 emp
RA> Karnataka !