[Derp] Interview with Spite
Derphoof
Recently, Spite started to resurface in eRepublik, writing articles again. Spite was a major player in international politics a few years ago. As such, he's had to deal with the eUSA and many other countries around the globe. He carries invaluable insight, so I asked him to chime in about his return, the invasion, and American policy and attitudes:
1. I think it's accurate to say that most people in this game have long enjoyed your articles. Yet, only recently have you come back and started writing again. What made you decide to come back to writing in eRep?
I quit the game in late 2014, mainly because I felt I’d done everything I could do, and I was beginning to repeat myself. Sirius was an attempt to go off-script and make something different, bringing together a bunch of former adversaries. It was a bold experiment, but it didn’t go very well. I deserve at least some of the blame for the current situation because of that. In the aftermath I actually started spending a lot of time on the eUSA forums and played a few other games with the Mensa crew.
I rejoined eRep a few weeks ago just on a whim really. I joined the eUK discord from a link on jamesw’s profile and he began badgering me with all the problems he was facing. I couldn’t help but pick some things up and after that I was stuck here again.
2. Of note to Americans is your recent article about our nation's foreign policy. Would you characterize the "WO Doctrine" as a success?
Short answer? No. In my personal opinion the policy of isolationism only functioned at all because of the unique traits the eUSA has. In any other country isolating yourself from global politics would make you an easy target. Whether you’re a puny country like the eUK or a powerhouse like Romania, you need to have allies and you need to be willing to sacrifice for them. I also think the eUSA has always liked to be the leader of whatever alliance it is in, and as a result of that it has ended up in the weakest of the three alliances.
That said, had the eUSA not attacked Croatia they might have had another year of peace, who knows. But it would have been boring.
3. You write that the eUSA could "take back its position in the front rank of countries" with a more active foreign and military policy. How would you describe that "position" the USA could find itself in?
I think currently the eUSA is heavily tainted by the past, both good and bad. The rest of Pacifica still hold a lot of Asterian MPPs, but as it stands the eUSA is isolated from both Asteria and Andes (and their respective spheres). It makes it extremely hard for them to build a network of allies.
However the eUSA is still a powerful country, and well organised when led properly. I think it would be a valuable asset to any potential future alliance. But to do that, before you even start rebuilding relations, you need to get a blank slate. That means someone has to take the blame and apologise. Probably a few people. You need a new face leading (or new faces). Then you can start working on a strategy out of this mess.
The likely position the eUSA will find itself in is a supporting one for now as it rebuilds its reputation. But generally it’s position means that it is very expensive and difficult to attack it, but it has the ability to dominate North America, and the fringes of Europe and Asia. It could use that position to its advantage going forward.
4. Does it take more than refocusing to get to that position, or does the eUSA need a resurgence of active players like Croatia?
I don’t think the eUSA is going to win the war with damage, and I think if there was going to be a resurgence it would have happened by now. The eUSA has natural advantages which make an occupation expensive and cumbersome. That means one way or another they will get back on the map unless Asteria really makes a concerted effort to stop it, and that seems unlikely.
However it is how you do that which matters. If you fight your way back onto the map you might feel a bit more pride at having overcome your invaders. But sometimes eating humble pie has better results in the long run. The way I see it an anti-Asterian bloc is necessary to balance Asterian dominance and really that means making up with the people who have just invaded you. Not an easy shout.
5. The border nations of the eUSA have experienced a faster decline, resulting in less powerful local targets. Indonesia, Spain, and others were far more powerful nations at one point. How do you think this has affected American interest in the game, and its isolation?
I think it would have had more of an effect if the eUSA didn’t have such good bonuses within its borders. As it stands there is little need to fight neighbours. Indonesia has been focused for many years on Asia, and that has become more difficult for them since airstrikes allowed people to land right in their backyard. Spain has always been Europe-focused and in eRepublik Europe is a cage. I think like Croatia, Spain is a country which could quite quickly bounce back into activity given the right stimulation. Right now it is sleeping.
As a result of this, the eUSA can only effectively be invaded by airstrike. Coordinating multiple airstrikes is difficult and expensive. That makes the eUSA even better defended than it was previously. A few good allies and a strong CO can blunt an airstrike. The eUSA would be able to act as a fortress backstop for an alliance, preserving bonuses for manufacture, and allowing them to strike at will abroad. An invasion like this is too expensive to happen more than once a year.
6. Many times, eAmerican leaders have tried to steer completely clear of the Balkan region, going so far as to create CTRL. Should the USA seek to get more involved with Balkan nations, or is it possible to have a successful strategy by ignoring them in this stage of the game?
The ‘greater balkan’ region, including Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Greece, represents the bulk of the offensive firepower in the world. Historically they have been fairly evenly divided amongst opposing alliances, but nowadays only Croatia and Greece stand outside of the Asterian bloc. That should be worrying for the whole world. Whilst messing with the balkans can lead to swift retribution, I think politically speaking picking a side is a necessity. Because when they come for you, the only thing that’s likely to stop them are other members of that group.
7. I think the animosity that some Americans have towards Croatia can be traced back to Sirius and its aftermath. Do you think the USA's experience of the Sirius alliance still informs the attitudes of its government? As a direct observer, what was the USA-Croatia relationship in Sirius like?
The Croatians were always extremely cordial and supportive to all of the Sirius countries. I saw some animosity between countries, but little from Croatia. Even then, the eUSA was mostly represented by one or two people (and of course WO was one of them) and that meant the story of what happened in Sirius was mostly told through the lens of his ambition. If I had to describe Croatia, I’d call them pragmatists. They tend to turn up, do their best, and bow out, whether they win or lose. They, like the Serbs, tend to be quite blunt in their criticisms. But they are always honest about them.
Obviously the way the eUSA left Sirius was unpleasant but that conflict was mostly between Spain, Poland and the eUSA. The Croatians did push for the eUSA to help eSpain but only because they saw it as the logical move to make, not out of any anti-American feelings.
To answer your first question last, I don’t think that the Sirius experience led to anti-Croat feelings. Although I was absent for much of this period, my understanding is that anti-Croatian feelings were developed and nurtured as part of an internal political/cultural change in the eUSA, from being historically pro-Croat to being against. Perhaps that was because certain pro-Croat politicians were political opponents, or because there was a vision of aligning the eUSA against the weaker side in the global political scene. I think it was a mistake either way- the eUSA will never be allied with Serbia and that pretty much means they have to be allied with Croatia.
8. Lastly, if America is to permanently end its isolationism, do you think the USA needs to seek a new set of allies, or simply reaffirm its active commitment to current allies?
Pacifica is too small to succeed in the long term. I think that the current alliance system with three small alliances backed with larger informal groups is broken, and really needs fixing badly. Currently Asteria is almost totally dominant across all battlefields. The opposition to Asteria seems divided and poorly led with several potential leaders providing conflicting ideas about what to do next. The anti-Asteria group seems to spend more time reacting to events rather than leading them.
Honestly, I think some of the Pacifica nations are more of a natural fit with Asteria. But for the sake of balance, and a challenge, it would be better if we could go back to a true binary system with the eUSA more aligned with Andes.
A second world alliance would require some inspired leadership, but given recent events I am not sure the eUSA can credibly provide that. However that wouldn’t prevent you from supporting those who do. I think the best path for the eUS going forward is to be active and involved, but to learn how to be a team player again. Accept the leadership of others, and that sometimes that is going to mean you don’t get the most benefit. But in the long term it would help you reclaim that place amongst the world’s trusted and valued countries once again. And that makes it worth it.
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This is the beginning of an ongoing series of interviews with international players. This is in an effort to get to know other nations, and to get insight and perspective on world events from outside the USA. Just as well, it can shed light on how our nation is perceived on the outside.
I believe this is important and necessary work.
If you'd like to suggest an interview, PM me with a name or drop it in a reply to this comment.
Thanks for reading!
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good read
glad I didn't go to bed yet.
Nice.
Good questions, good answers.
Will be fun to see Keers back at it.
Though I strongly disagree with his view on Croats/Serbs.
can you clarify that? just for my curiosity
i too am quite interested in a clarification
My experience with Croatia as ally largely stems from EDEN times. I got very annoyed with the amount of interference in the orders - changing priorities of important winnable battles to Croatian RW's that were already 40 points behind. If I confronted the ones that did it, I got a load of insulting complaints about how nobody was willing to free Croatia because that should be priority #1.
Serbia is more cold and calculated, using backroom deals and proxies to achieve their goals. They are the best political manipulators, consistently since v1. Croatia often acts before they think. They act bravely for sure, but far from always is it the best choice to make.
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't EDEN fall apart before the points system was introduced? during "first to 8 wins" period?
The EDEN situation has made such a strong and lasting impact, reinforced by what I hear from others and how I see certain developments, that I have long been a major anti-Cro voice inside the USA. Of course that can change, but my good conversations with individual Cro players usually get wiped away by sudden dramatic actions from Cro as a nation..
Actually, that could very well be true. I don't recall any specific situations anymore, being part of the MC team was horrible enough. It is true that too often prio's got changed to unwinnable Cro RW's, regardless of the type of military module we had at the time.
was never a member of EDEN leadership or nowhere near it, so I do not know about that but I do definitively agree with this part:
"Serbia is more cold and calculated, using backroom deals and proxies to achieve their goals. They are the best political manipulators, consistently since v1. Croatia often acts before they think. They act bravely for sure, but far from always is it the best choice to make"
Were you not in Phoenix/Peace leadership? Or is that some other Garmr or similar name...
I've been around the world, Romper. I was in PHX/Peace indeed, later on eNetherlands moved to EDEN and I ended up there too. In Peace I did some military/ATO coordination, in PHX I functioned more like a banker to loan gold to defend the occupation in China iirc.
I'm asking because I remember you on opposite side, not in EDEN. When were you in EDEN? Who was SC and what was the opposing alliance name at that time?
Technically EDEN was still around in early 2013, and divisions came back in circa 2012
In my experience the serbians tend to be more gung ho than the Croats. When it comes to an unholy amount of damage in one place, go to the Serbs. But the Croats tend to be more calculated. And I've served as alliance leader to both.
@spite you're mixing two things, you're talking about dmg and strategy while Garmr is talking about politics and diplomacy
I mean, I can think of some serbians who led alliances and were masters of diplomacy. But generally the Serbs didn't need to, so they didn't. They were the biggest kid on the block and their voice was always listened to. They didn't need to be cunning or wily about it.
I was in EDEN when eNL joined it, so it was at the very end. Left HQ pretty soon to fully focus on my work in the eUSA. For the largest part of EDEN’s existence I was op the opposing team indeed.
Thank you I am looking forward to seeing other interviews in this series.
Great Read
Very informative! Great work!
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Keers, the last Brit who was worth fighting against when I was in Ireland too many years ago, he still has it, that needs to be said.
Glad to see ya back!
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who are you?
a quite interesting to read
But for the sake of balance, and a challenge, it would be better if we could go back to a true binary system with the eUSA more aligned with Andes.
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Was expected and knew it was being saved for the ending.
Keers > jamesw
pretty good interview. looking forward to see more of them 😉
Thanks! I appreciate the support. Feel free to suggest who I should interview.
good, objective answers, I was satisfied reading it.
Surprised though, coming out from you Derphoof. Not accustomed to reading quality articles from your newspaper.
Voted and endorsed.
his last article aided in the deletion of his country, maybe he found some sense 😃
Maybe it was all on purpose, so America can finally find some sense and elect me xd
My articles were misunderstood at publication.
I regret not clarifying the intent/meaning, and not immediately apologizing for the wounds directly caused at the time. It was never meant to inflict pain on Croatian readers, or the readers of any other nationality.
I tried to let my writing speak for itself, but I failed to make it clear as the author. As Riker pointed out to me, I should have put a disclaimer or notice in my articles.
As a member of congress you can't write stuff like that without a hint that it is a troll. What is even worse I saw many fellow congressmen agreed with your content. What is more likely is that you didn't see this coming.
do correct me, but you did call croatia the "wyoming/wisconsin" of europe, before anyone actually knew it was an insult xD
it was a sarcastic article but extremely bad one which drew other americans to take i for real and continue in same fashion in the comments. but yeah, derph can blame only herself for that 🙂
Semi: I haven't been a member of Congress since December. I wasn't in Congress when we launched the AS.
SexyCicko: Wyoming is a constant, long-running joke in the USA. It's usually cited as a fictional place. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wyoming
SexyMacan: Again, I do blame myself for that. I should've had a disclaimer of some sort in the article to make it obvious.
that was some extreme sarcasm, even for my taste
1. Pacifica is too small to succeed in the long term.
Pacifica is the second long-lasting alliance in this game (after Asteria). So I think it would be fair to admit that it is a success already. Especially taking into consideration that it was created not as a global alliance and never had such ambitions.
2. A second world alliance would require some inspired leadership
I hear such talks about the second alliance which would combat Asteria for almost 4 years -- since the collapse of Sirius and Aurora. Still they haven't found this inspired leadership. They attack each other, their allies and neutral countries, create and dissolve small alliances. They persistently fail in any campaign no matter how much money they spend on it. We call it gracelessness.
3. But for the sake of balance, and a challenge, it would be better if...
A pragmatic politician should care only about his country's interests.
Game balance is admins area of responsibility. Every time country leaders take into consideration their fantasies about game balance they inevitably compromise their national interests and make wrong decisions.
Anyway very good interview
Thank you!
Well spoken, especially about country interest. Though country interest sometimes means improving allies. Forming an outspoken anti-Asteria alliance would be quite a difficult job indeed.
With regard to point 1, length of time an alliance exists does not say anything about how good it is for the members, or the game.
With regard to point 3, game balance is entirely our responsibility and always has been. Back in the olden times there was always an unspoken agreement between world leaders that if any alliance became too powerful we would have a shake up. The admins can't force countries to ally one another, that's our responsibility as players.