[Congress] On the American End Game
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by Jacobi
Editor's Note: For the benefit of the less forum centric members of our Team and Congress, I'm here reporting the start of a topic I've made in Congress to discuss the end game for the American war. Thoughts from all across the spectrum are welcome and encouraged.
I'll repost this in the media for the benefit of the AFK so they can give their opinions as well.
I'm interested in knowing how people feel about different end games with the American war. I'm specifically thinking about other ones that might include region swaps, region rentals, and the various optics that could come from either of them. How important is it for a status quo ante bellum for you? Would you be interested in the ability to fight for Canada in a harmless resistance war if they were to hold a Canadian region at wars end? That sort of thing.
Maybe it'd be best to break down a couple of scenarios as they are and then people can comment on any or all of them? Be great to know what Congress feels is the "ideal resolution"
Region Swap:
Bonuses are great to have, even more so when when the form the basis of some renewed trust and collaboration with the United States. However, the ability for Canada to keep and retain an American region, even with official support seems woefully out of reach, so any swap would be short lived indeed without significant and, frankly, foolish military resources devoted to retaining the region. Game mechanics, I would say, lay waste to this idea.
Region Rental:
If the war should demonstrate anything, it is that the Americans could very well retain a Canadian region with minimal difficulty thus opening the possibility for a one sided rental for gold or trinkets or what have you. The problem, of course, is that it looks optically bad for Canada to lose a region to the States for nothing on the map in return, and of course the US doesn't actually need any Canadian regions (yet). But its a possibility that could be the basis for trust, could give Canada a fiscal shot in the arm that might make MU funding considerably richer.
Status Quo Ante Bellum:
Honestly somewhat of a waste as far as I'm concerned, because hey, here's this open war and usually it takes a small fortune to break all those mutual MPPs and look its right here for the taking, but if there isn't anything the Americans want and there isn't anything we can reasonably take from them, it might be simply the default position.
I do believe we ought to try to, in the next administration since this one is unlikely, make some lemonade out of this whole brouhaha. It'd be good to get relations back on track, it could be financially good for Canada, and it could foster some opportunities for us down the roads. And I think, especially if a certain logical and rational American Presidential Candidate, it would be well within the realm of possibility.
Thoughts?
I'll repost this in the media for the benefit of the AFK so they can give their opinions as well.
I'm interested in knowing how people feel about different end games with the American war. I'm specifically thinking about other ones that might include region swaps, region rentals, and the various optics that could come from either of them. How important is it for a status quo ante bellum for you? Would you be interested in the ability to fight for Canada in a harmless resistance war if they were to hold a Canadian region at wars end? That sort of thing.
Maybe it'd be best to break down a couple of scenarios as they are and then people can comment on any or all of them? Be great to know what Congress feels is the "ideal resolution"
Region Swap:
Bonuses are great to have, even more so when when the form the basis of some renewed trust and collaboration with the United States. However, the ability for Canada to keep and retain an American region, even with official support seems woefully out of reach, so any swap would be short lived indeed without significant and, frankly, foolish military resources devoted to retaining the region. Game mechanics, I would say, lay waste to this idea.
Region Rental:
If the war should demonstrate anything, it is that the Americans could very well retain a Canadian region with minimal difficulty thus opening the possibility for a one sided rental for gold or trinkets or what have you. The problem, of course, is that it looks optically bad for Canada to lose a region to the States for nothing on the map in return, and of course the US doesn't actually need any Canadian regions (yet). But its a possibility that could be the basis for trust, could give Canada a fiscal shot in the arm that might make MU funding considerably richer.
Status Quo Ante Bellum:
Honestly somewhat of a waste as far as I'm concerned, because hey, here's this open war and usually it takes a small fortune to break all those mutual MPPs and look its right here for the taking, but if there isn't anything the Americans want and there isn't anything we can reasonably take from them, it might be simply the default position.
I do believe we ought to try to, in the next administration since this one is unlikely, make some lemonade out of this whole brouhaha. It'd be good to get relations back on track, it could be financially good for Canada, and it could foster some opportunities for us down the roads. And I think, especially if a certain logical and rational American Presidential Candidate, it would be well within the realm of possibility.
Thoughts?
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Your best option is to get wiped and start again
How does getting wiped help anything?
I agree, wipe.
Depends on the tissue used.
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Addy vs. Jacobi
CP Bloodbath
Let's have some fun
x2 saltydog
Keep the war open until after the CP elections.
A region rental/swap would be a good thing for eCan, but a tough sell to the US considering recent events. It's a bit disappointing more could not be done to utilize the first two options...make an omellette from a few cracked eggs...or is it lemonade when eLife gives you lemons.
Uneasy peace would be a wasted opportunity. People who want a wipe don't want eCan to have any opportunities. It's true ~ maybe we are undeserving of nice things.
You're gonna need a more openminded CP on the US side for anything to be worked out
The current administration has us in a stalemate
Yes, I think we need to wait for after the next CP elections before anything outside of a wipe can be possible.
All of the options listed above are a great start for the beginnings of a peace proposal. Evry's administration, and Evry himself have proven over the past two weeks that negotiations with Canada to resolve the current issue is low on their priority list at the moment. Pray he is removed, then preferably beheaded after the next election. Until then, the reality is we are going to have to fight, or play by his rules. He will not budge, unless we can start a serious offensive that threatens..
the American homeland. I can't see that happening.
Voted for brouhaha
I think it all depends on the next CP. If the CP has the same attitude as Evry, then we would have to settle for just getting our original regions back and a nice peace between the two countries. The most preferable thing in my opinion would be to see a region swap. However, due to the current state of Canadian-American affairs, I do not see that as much of a possibility in the short term.
First, CP elections must pass before we can truly engage in reasonable and progressive peace talks.
I've argued for a wipe since this whole things started.
eCanadian Congress is completely useless, there's no reason for us to keep giving people 5 gold month after month. Hell, even I stopped cashing in 3 months ago because it wasn't worth the effort anymore.
There's more upside to constant RWs then there is to maintaining piddling regions and blowing countless resources trying to hold on to them for no reason.
Take the wipe, then take the Patriot gold.
we take Canada's origin regions back then continue the war forward .. no peace
"You're gonna need a more openminded CP on the US side for anything to be worked out"
Yeah, it's all the eUS side that there is a war.
"Addy vs. Jacobi
CP Bloodbath
Let's have some fun"
Not gonna bite.
Where would the money from a region rental end up? Sitting in a coffer? Dispensed to MU's? Used in exchange for lowering taxes?
P. Magee
Well let's face it, a change in CP for both countries could be helpful, but I don't know every single detail about how negotiations have gone down.
Also I believe any rental money would probably go to MU's.
Part of the reason there was a war in the first place I believe was that we wanted a war with someone other than eUK. Yes, we started this ourselves, and really rather brilliantly, tricking the eUS into losing its mpp stack so we are more or less on equal footing. Any peace we enter into should address future avenues for eCanadian expansion/agression/war/what have you. I'm talking specifically about access to Alaska so we can kick around in Asia for awhile.
Can't understand you Canucks, you were saying just a few weeks ago you wanted war, so you started one against eUK which didn't last very long, now you you got one with eUSA you moan and don't want it.
What Xzar said. x2 🙂
Alaska would be a good outlet to release all that pent up Canadian angst. We look bad asking for it from our Bros, but maybe we can get their sympathy if we keep punishing ourselves with this NE.
Keep fighting, try for peace next term.
A surprise attack on yankee imperialist soil would be good to liven things up.Take the battle to do them.
War is gooood 😉
Wipe Canada is the better option but anyway
If nothing else out of this, I sincerely approve of your use of brouhaha.