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I like the BoE idea, although two problems spring to min😛

1. Does Huey want to do it?
2. what do we do if Huey accepts the role but decides to leave in the future?

However, in principle the idea is worth investigating further.

Traditionally the books are held for ages, Emergy did it for years, Wookie and I had a go for 5 months or so then Huey kept them ever since.

Can't blame him if he did want to retire 😛. In that case perhaps simply Parliament or the public vote on his replacement

Executive CP...........Meta

BoE independence........you do know that there are tools out there that list orgs and as only gov has orgs then it's not a leap to assume that those orgs now belong to whichever blaggard takes control?

Community.......The 'old and tired' always bang this drum but whenever you talk about being open and huggy and sweet to everyone you always make it conditional on the community coming to you rather then the other way around.

You'll remember a time when UKPP policy was to aggressivly recruit from other parties?

Nick was in it for the ego, BA for the powah and me.......well I did it because it forced PP's and their gangs to go to their own members and talk to them rather then have them leave.

So, stop talking about doing things in the open, publishing more and making more shouts and expecting some kind of response........go to your community and actually iniate contact.

I would argue an Executive CP is actually entirely in the mechanics of the game, you don't particularly need meta to interpret the position as a chiefly defence role in this circumstance

@ BoE - As mentioned in the article whilst it wouldn’t guarantee security it would certainly slow them down. They wouldn’t be able to rob us overnight and would probably have to wait a couple of weeks for the admins to reset the relevant orgs – and that would be checking hundreds.

"well I did it because it forced PP's and their gangs to go to their own members and talk to them rather then have them leave."

I think you are aggrandizing what was simply a votes for money relationship you were very proud of - you will note the tap being turned off almost killed your party whilst Reform and it's apparent 'have them leave' policy consists of the members you failed to poach but is nevertheless in #1.

That said I commend the way you are invigorating discussion within your own ranks and the advice of “go to your community and actually ini[ti]ate contact” isn’t relatively off the mark of the proposed going to THE community – remember what I said about parties with artificially high walls

On the assumption there is a clear and immediate danger of the treasury being stolen, do you think there is any difference in terms of the end result if a person takes it on day one or has to message Plato for a password reset?

I think there is a clear difference between the CP automatically having access to all private and public money versus having to manually reset each org without being impeached.

It isn't watertight but it does present an extra layer of security

but a person moving money from orgs would be open to being banned if he/she did so after a new CP was elected.

it is fair to say if the BoE has been instructed to safeguard funds by Parliament then an impeachment proposal is already underway - at which point the CP is already banned from moving funds during the vote by the admins

if they tried to do so after their term ended as you say they'll be banned

If they did successfully manage to reset the 100s of orgs and find which ones have the cash on it before we noticed they were dodgy then we've been well played - but at least there was some level of security in place to have prevented anything up to that point

....and if the dodgy chap/chappess is a dicktraktor then how does your legislation work?

we would need to reintroduce constitutionalism if a dictatorship was brought back if it were to work

Couldn't find that big c word you used in the game rules?

you will find it worked reasonably well under Woldy for over a year whilst you were in the grave

100's of orgs... lol, we have 70. Offically we have 67 on the books

😉

I would know, I was the CP that organised all the new emails after BigAnt killed them all.

Apart from BoE yeah this is a more eloquent version of some of the ideas I hinted at 😉

An independent B of E is on the basis of Wayne getting into power which everyone thinks is unlikely - the current system has been working fine up to this point. It strikes me that this suggestion is politically motivated and is a solution to a non existing problem unless you are suggesting all future CPs might prone to "nick" more money as you have worded it.

“unless you are suggesting all future CPs might prone to "nick" more money as you have worded it.”

It is this chiefly in mind. I don’t see how presenting barriers to nicking our money is can be exclusively focussed on Wayne (though he would no doubt love it) so much as potential thieves in general

So it is purely a coincidence that you have identified and offered a solution to the problem coinciding with Wayne being put forward as a CP candidate? Considering för the past year or so the elected CP has been part of the establishment clique then I fail to see this as a large issue that has previously escaped congress's notice

You could say the potentiality of Wayne being elected prompted the suggestion - yes

I am still yet to hear an argument against the policy itself other than it's timing

Am I that worrisome? Do you still think I wield the same kind of power as before?

Currently if Wayne got in then:

- WAYNE asks the B of E for the passwords and is told to go forth and multiple.
- While Wayne is waiting for Plate to respond, the B of E moves money to Mr Woldy to safeguard while an impeachment is launched.
- Wayne is impeached and Mr Woldy returns the money.

Under your plan, the following will happen if Wayne is made Cp:


- WAYNE asks the B of E for the passwords and is told to go forth and multiple.
- While Wayne is waiting for Plate to respond, the B of E moves money to Mr Woldy to safeguard while an impeachment is launched.
- Wayne is impeached and Mr Woldy returns the money.

Spot the difference... The only point of your proposal is to give a virtual middle finger to Wayne and would change nothing in reality.

I think the idea would be to move it way before I could ticket admin.

Well done that man

"Am I that worrisome? Do you still think I wield the same kind of power as before?"

Probably not, but there's nothing to suggest that you aren't just as likely to steal UK funds again.

But how does calling the B of E an independent body actually make it safer?? There are no in game mechanics that distinguish between the organisation being considered independent and not. All it means is that whoever has the keys to the password is expected to keep the password to themselves and not tell the CP. Whether or not the B of E is considered independent from a role play perspective has no baring on the game mechanics.

@Wayne - if it looked as if you was about to win the vote, Huey etc would already have moved the money to people like Mr Apples before Plato completes his anti-cheating checks. Although such a move would technically be illegal, no fuss would be made as those who then immediately moved to impeach you would claim it was justified as evident from the success of the impeachment.

And let's be honest, at times of war when quick access to funds is needed, the passwords will unofficially be given to trusted people off the record etc...

For one thing it means that the CP can put whoever they like in the role of MoF (including Huey if they wish and if he agrees), and that person is then runs government finances (requesting funds from Congress or the BoE as they see fit).

It keeps the keys to the piggy bank away from direct government control. And, as Apples stated, the benefit of that is to add a layer of security between a CP intent on stealing the treasury and the treasury itself.

The downside is that it slows down the flow of cash on those occasions when they're needed fast. But that's the case now; the only ways to get around that in emergencies are for the CP/government to self-fund and get reimbursed, or for the CP to have direct control of the orgs and their funds (and then you're back to making us open to theft, which is what this proposal is designed to prevent).

"For one thing it means that the CP can put whoever they like in the role of MoF (including Huey if they wish and if he agrees), and that person is then runs government finances (requesting funds from Congress or the BoE as they see fit)."

So if the CP has the say who is the MoF then how is that a real separation of the B of E and government?

This proposal would instead make the role of Governor publicly approved by either Parliament or a referendum, instead of a CP appointment.

eNL gov consists of:

Henri xi: verenigd nederland party
Gwom: geuzen partij nederland party
Flo rida20: (originally democratisch Nederland, now I&W party)
Arcanic mindje: Democratisch Nederland
Myself: Democratisch Nederland


Every gov is mixed, you will end up the same. Parties should work together in the best interest of the country. Of course some players have different viewpoints but these create an environment where discussion leads to a critical decision making. Use your citizens not every party has a good MoFA & MoD & MoF & MoE and all the other functions.

Get a trusted key keeper who holds all orgs and provides gov with main Orgs and MoF with Orgs that have money in them to trade on the monetary market.

Good luck ladies and gentlemen!

The problem is that the UKPP put forth a CP candidate who as a dictator moved a load of funds and although some of it went on things like COs, not all the funds was accounted for. This article is putting forth suggestions to counter a non-issue as some people are scared that someone who got a handful of votes last month will suddenly find 100 votes from nowhere and be elected CP.

The suggestion doesn't actually fix any issues - the current Bank of England chairman could refuse to hand over the passwords while an appeachment process happened.

under the current system the CP has all the passwords by default

the proposed system instead recommends they only have access to publicly approved funds overseen by the Governor of the BoE

It does make me wonder whether it was a mistake to get rid of the Constitutional Dictatorship. We had come to the conclusion it was stale and had reached the end of its time but now we could be headed for a period of massive internal division within the eUK which can only be bad news. We could end up back where we were 2 years ago just when things looked to be taking a turn for the better with the defeat of Argentina.

Without drama, all we have is pixels.

'Make the CP a purely executive role'
CP's role can only be defined by the person with the title.


'Make the BoE an independent public body'
You can tell you are not a War Time President. This idea would become so unworkable. Government money needs to be fluid.


'Make community affairs a matter for the community'
Nothing but talk. Heard people like you say the same thing over and over again. As a community leader, you won't have a community unless you give them something to strive for and engage with.


'Parliament, Party Presidents & the Public'
Again, nothing but talk. Your ilk have always been open and inclusive, so long as the party and it's members toe the line and do and vote as expected. Lets take early UKPP as an example. Due to certain members, UKPP was kicked up and down dale by the rest of the top 5 in our early years, because we chose to go against the grain. We broke the monopoly of the forums, IRC and endless legislation and gave eUK a more inclusive, logical culture, along with New Era, another party kicked about by the 'establishment' at the time.



Seems this Arsenal of Democracy is firing blanks...

‘CP's role can only be defined by the person with the title.’

By matter of fact we’re running one

‘You can tell you are not a War Time President. This idea would become so unworkable. Government money needs to be fluid.’

It is actually a formalization of the current arrangement – additional money for COs was proposed and quickly approved by Wookie for example. As has been repeatedly pointed out above it presents a stronger layer of security on the offchance someone follows your lead

‘Nothing but talk. Heard people like you say the same thing over and over again. As a community leader, you won't have a community unless you give them something to strive for and engage with.’

I’ll admit preventing our collective investment disappearing again is quite the incentive

“Again, nothing but talk. Your ilk have always been open and inclusive, so long as the party and it's members toe the line and do and vote as expected. Lets take early UKPP as an example. Due to certain members, UKPP was kicked up and down dale by the rest of the top 5 in our early years, because we chose to go against the grain. We broke the monopoly of the forums, IRC and endless legislation and gave eUK a more inclusive, logical culture, along with New Era, another party kicked about by the 'establishment' at the time.”

UKPP’s ‘Glory Days’ died out when the tap was cut off – I was part of DC and enjoyed the ‘lolz’ provided. Who could forget MwC PTO’ing TUP again and again…

But you crossed the line when you used us and our money as cannon fodder. Surely you recognize the fact almost every party is against you shows such

“Seems this Arsenal of Democracy is firing blanks...”

I’ll invite you to repeat that statement on the morning of the 6th

My favorite idea is for you to just remain wiped.

I think we can live off the victory against the Argies for a good while

We hate seeing the argies a lot more than you

ireland got rid of a government bank a year ago. it creates more problems then it helps. Now a days a few individuals have more CC then banks in small to medium countries.

With Huey I strongly doubt this will be the case

It will be a long while before we do anything by irelands example tbh

Scratching your backs each other, as usual. Pigs do that?

We don't keep pigs on our Falkland Islands!

Sure; you keep heretic intruders in Malvinas.

By the way, tell me if you keep them in Chagos too.

Vote Harambe

Dunno Zubrei is making a strong argument.

You can't trust a monkey, vote ape

I've seen Planet of the Apes - The monkey population must be kept from powah!