Why I think that an independent Kosovo can be a good idea
AThompson
First of all I would like to tell you that Serbia is my favourite foreign country in the eRepublik. When I registered to this game comments were poping around that Hungary and Serbia are like two brothers, later in the V2 Serbia was the only really reliable country in the Phoenix, and after I started to involve in the international politics it became clear why people used to tell me that Hungary and Serbia has a kind of brotherhood. Anytime when any of the two country needed help the other one were ready to give it to her. At midnight at dawn if Hungary, or Me asked anything from Serbia Kistru, Baltazar, Clueless or anybody else awaken were ready to help us. That’s why I say that Serbia is my favourite country in the New World.
It's sure that I’ll write things what might hurt your national feelings about Kosovo and Metohija. Sorry about that, I'm don't want to hurt you anyhow, but I my opinion written below is a valid one.
In the case of Kosovo it’s the easiest way to make things clear to check the Wikipedia, what is a fine source on this topic.
Right now Kosovo and Metohija is an partly recognized state beyond the boarders of the Republic of Serbia, but under United Nation’s administration. In the february of 2008 several member of the Assemby of Kosovo declared the state’s independence, later recognized by 84 UN member states and Taiwan.
For a large part of the players it’s heresy to hear about and independent Kosovo even in the eRepublik, but for the whole community of the players in my opinion it would be great to have it in the game. Why would I say something like this?
If you remember when Macedonia added to the game in last October it soon became clear that it was the best decision made by the team after the start of the V2, because this nation with low population but intense national feelings towards itself and towards Bulgaria and Greece made the eWorld a lot more interesting. Macedonia had several really big baby booms in the past months, and for now she became one of the TOP 5 countries of the eRepublik. Macedonians started to spend RL money on the game, they started to buy foreign accounts just to spend more money on tanking, and now they have several really hardcore spender. For the community Macedonia means a lots of really active and spirited new players, tens of wars in the past months and the complete change in the power balance. This country is a real success both for the development team and for the community. And it’s a rare occasion to have something like this.
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For Kosovo and Metohija, it has nearly 2 million souls, mostly Albanians, but with a really low number of internet users : only 20,7% of the total population, just to compare Macedonia has the rating of 50,7% for 2 million population.
In the case of Kosovo the national feelings might be even greater compared to Macedonia. There is a half-war state and independent movements in Kosovo in the very moment I’m writing of the article.
The possible scenarions after the adding of Kosovo and Albania.
With the new counties the most important thing, which is currently a bit underplayed by the argument about Kosovo is the fact that a 7 million large nation gets states in the eRepublik : the Albanians. Only 3 million of them lives in nation state of the Albanians Albania itself, the others live in Kosovo, Macedonia, Italy, USA, Germany, Turkey etc.
With the adding of Albania and Kosovo there is a large chance that
1. the currently registered Albanians with different citizenship will start to immigrate to Albania or to Kosovo. This fact can highly effect the the countries listed above, for example there are rumours about an Albanian group of 700 in the USA etc.
2. If Kosovo will be added as an independent state, there is a large chance that in a few months a few really big baby boom will occur because of the Serbian attacks, and the need of the national resistance, because Serbia will surely levy a war on Kosovo in the case.
3. If Kosovo will be added as the part of Serbia, there is a there is a large chance that in a few months a few really big baby boom will occur in Albania, because Serbia will levy a war on Albania.
There is a scenario which will occur with small chance in my opinion :
Albania and/or Kosovo won’t have any real baby boom in the future months, and she/they will become a 2nd and 3rd Bosnia, as a nearly constant ‘part’ of Serbia.
For Serbia there are some really hard scenarios if Kosovo and Metohija will be added as an independet state :
1. The national feelings will bring thousands of players to the game.
2. The issue of Kosovo will split the Serbian community, and in a few months the country become a shade of her current power. The Serbs argue each other, emigrations will happen, etc.
3. The issue of Kosovo will split the Serbian community, and in a few months the country become a shade of her current power. A large part of the Serbs will just leave the game, crippling the country.
In any case after the possible admin defense will fade from the countries Serbia will try to conquer both of them, and keep Kosovo under her boot till the eternity, just like Bosnia.
After the adding of Albania and Kosov the balance of the Balkans and the game will change forever. New players will come to the game, and two new powers will rise on the Balkans, which is currently the eWorld’s most intense place, because of the several great powers, and the national feelings. Right now Serbia is able to hold the flood of Bulgaria, Croatia and Romania in the same time, if Macedonia distress Greece and Hungary levies Romania. With Kosovo and Albania this will change, and Serbia with her current power will have pretty hard time trying to hold 5 countries in the same time.
If Kosovo will be an independents state, Serbia will gets another continuously resisting occupied country, which will drain a lot of her power. If Kosovo will be powerful enough to be free, it might be the end of Serbia’s dominance on the Balkans.
Why I would I like to see Kosovo as an independent state in the eRepublik?
Basically because I think an independent Kosovo can bring fresh blood to the game, and the game really needs fresh blood, because the biggest baby providers of the last year - Bulgaria, Macedonia, Turkey - seems to be out. The old countries like Serbia, Croatia there is less and less chance to get a baby boom, without something like an independent Kosovo.
Why it’s dangerous to add Kosovo (and Albania) to the game?
Well, mostly because it will cause immense ammount of shit, both ingame, and on the IRC. I think that the media flame wars after the adding of Macedonia was small, compared to the ones will occur after the adding of Kosovo.
It is the development team’s responsibility to handle the situation, and I think they won’t be able to do it. There will be bans, and FPs, and the moderators won’t be able to handle the large ammount of articles, wall posts, comments.
I was always for the change in this game. When the Phoenix was dead, I joined with others to create a new alliance, with a weird mixture of countries.
Actually it is possible that the adding of Albania and Kosovo will ruin Serbia and Macedonia, because of the migrations, wars, media flame, but I think the community should really think on its decision on the status of Kosovo.
The developer team made a great decision, from their point of view with the poll, and the two new countries. If they will be big, they will bring more people, more money to the game, if they won't be then...well...it worth a try.
Either Kosovo will be added as an independent state or it won't be the poll what will occur on 12th of October will create an example of the eRepublik Labs. changing the face of the RL copy eWorld.
Regards,
AThompson
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MEGA FAIL !
kosovo is serbia. read your history
I WANT POOL TOO! MACEDONIA OR REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA! 😛
Btw, if the developer team has the habit of overwriting the UN's decisions, they should delete the FYROM, from Macedonia's name.
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Add Southern Cyprus!
Btw, if the developer team has the habit of overwriting the UN's decisions, they should delete the FYROM, from Macedonia's name. +1
You are thinking like Plato in this article. How much GOLD do you receive in exchange? : P
The strategy of Alexis it´s clear: put more RL stuff into balcans, and the money will flow to us even more. But I feel like it´s also good for some players.
I don´t care about this poll, they will add the eCountry anyway, you´ll see it. But from the point of view of a player, adding new countries means nothing at this point (not important if you add eKosovo or eCuba or whoever)
qablo : About 'Alexis's point' +1, but I don't like the money chasing in the eRep. I think the eRep will be really dead in 6 months without some new blood, that's all.
I am a RL New Zealander and I don't know a lot of the history of the Balkans. I tried to research, but there is so much contradiction and opposing arguments I can't figure out the truth. So please forgive me if I insult anyone. It is not my intention.
We don't have many RL NZers playing eRep (maybe 10)and so when eNZ was created we got a lot of Serbians deciding to make it their new home. I love them. They are amazing players and the best group I could have asked for. (Many Slovenians came too as well as other nationalities of course. I love them all too).
Without wanting to see them hurt I think Kosovo should be added. I was without my country for a year when I started and know how nice it is to finally have a real home.
It's just a game. If a group of players want to play under the flag of an independent Kosovo then I say let them.
That's my 2 cents anyway, for what it's worth🙂
Btw I think they will add Kosovo as independet irrespectively of the real results of the poll.
Too much national feelings make you stronger but bring a lof of unwanted stress to the game. Think about it, and take things easier. It's just a f****** game.
Crusadecarl : Europe is the place where noone is fully right. : )
"3. The issue of Kosovo will split the Serbian community, and in a few months the country become a shade of her current power. A large part of the Serbs will just leave the game, crippling the country."
Mate, many of us will leave eRep the next day in that case. It's stupid to explain you why 'cause i think admins are allready bringing to much RL issues into the game (that's supposed to be forbidden)...
We had a really nice time playing with you guys though. Shame that we have so different languages, otherwise we would be even closer...
lol yes. It's much easier down here. New Zealanders are always right and Australians....are Australians😃
@Zaeban Covek : It's a dragon biting its own tail. Without RL issues, the eRep would be really boring, with 2000 players, with RL issues the eRep is really annoying sometimes.
I was talking with Serbians about Kosovo, and I think for a foreigner I know the situation, but I wouldn't say that I can feel it. : S
"in the V2 Serbia was the only really reliable country in the Phoenix"
Uhm, no.
For the rest, I do not wish to comment a game built on Racism, cannot find a solution to such a case. The only reason it is being made a big deal is to stir more racism in the hope of bigger profits afterwards, the way it was done with Macedonia.
This game started with a good idea and over 3 years it has been turned into a racist spawn ground trough the active "encouragement" of it's developers. All the rest is pointless to discuss there will be always racists and haters ready to jump at the opportunity to exploit a situation.
eDarkAngel, signed hardly.
Stoich I was only active at the end of August and in September internationally. That time Serbia was the only reliable country in the Phoenix. Bulgaria was getting active in military meanings, but they were far from Serbia for example.
@AThompson: you know the serbian side of the story, you don't know the situation.
tl, dr
You got a point there sir.
@Sirbeg : I would never dare to say that I know the Balkans, without living there. I know the Serbian side from Serbians, and I tried to read about the other sides. With more or less success.
Serbia is Hungary. read your history
Belgrad=Nándorfehérvár
Well you sai😛 "for a foreigner I know the situation". I won't talk about their "truth" in public :😁
I wanted to say, 'As much as a foreigner can know about the situation with only everyday sources'. : /
macedonia is in game since beguin of it
Europe = Ancient Pangaean Empire led by king Trilobite
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Relax Athompson, you can't say one single sentence about history or politics which will be aproved by more than two Balkan nations : D
Sirbeg and I could now start an arguing usual for situations like this one, but it's pointless. Everyone has their own story, and like you said "Europe is the place where noone is fully right."
@AThompson
Did not get your point, Serbia was #1 country, of course we were not like them, however Bulgaria was 3rd in Phoenix at that time, much the reason why CH didn't fall or why LK didn't fall.
Selective memory for things so far in the past is not good. It's history now, we can look at it as such, it has no bearing on play now.
Anyway I'm basically 2 clicking and not much interested in the current hate wars going on, most governments are laughable and made up of kids or "nationalists" so there isn't a game anymore. Just media full of xenophobic articles and spam. This is in all countries by the way.
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Good point of view, Thompson. I want to congratulate you for this article. You showed your opinion in very intelligent way, so i don't think that your serbian friends have right to blame you. You are customer of this product and you want more fun.
Thanks to God that Ostin still haven't made some troll-war. I just imagined how would looks like a common article, but posted by him... Tragedy.
also, because u r hungarian and hungary recognize kosovo irl
Stoich i completely agree with the rising nationalism, it's pissing me off : S
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Szerintem ez angolul van
minek irsz ilyen hosszu trollcikket?
Adding Kosovo as an independent country would humiliate Serbians. I don't consider how many players would it bring into the game and how many of them would spend money, I don't care! It's a very dirty trick for earning money! And don't forget, if more people is willing to pay, the game for non-payer players will be more and more difficult. It's not a gaming experience!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-sd-i-won-039-t-be-forced-to-vote--1875073/1/20
Nekem nem kell Kosovo mint ahogy Albánia sem!
the poll result will be following: Kosovo is Srbija 😃😛
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choices for serbians:
1. kosovo not added ----> never have kosovo as your teritory
2. kosovo added ----> kosovo could be occupied and become part o eserbia
so i realy don't see why would they oppose idea of adding kosovo, when that is the only possible way that admins could practically give it to eserbian community. don't they think that not having kosovo at all is greater injustice for them, if any, because their arguments are derived from the serbian texbooks made purely for the reasons of propaganda IRL. so adding kosovo however you look at it as independent country should be the only right way here, guys.
Good point of view, Thompson. I want to congratulate you for this article. You showed your opinion in very intelligent way, so i don't think that your serbian friends have right to blame you. You are customer of this product and you want more fun.
Thanks to God that Ostin still haven't made some troll-war. I just imagined how would looks like a common article, but posted by him... Tragedy. [*2]
few solid points, rather than just shitty troll comments.
i am sure, everyone in the real world has this sort of sensitive issue,
in 2000, china was having issues with hongkong.
Palestine is still there.
kashmir is still there ( and this issue can spark atomic wars in the most populated area of world, among, pakistan,china and india)
i dont know much of the history though, but generally this sort of trend can be found in every country.
With all due respect, I don't think that you can even comprehend what is about to happen in here... For us, this is something where we draw the line - there will be no retreat, no negotiations, no detant - simply, if Kosovo and Metohija is taken away from Serbia there will be no game at all.
Erdély MAGYAR!
I doubt that most of the population of those 84 UN countries know where Kosovo is on the map. I hope the Bulgarians won't vote for adding eKosovo as independent state just because we want eSerbia on her knees. A lot of us showed support even though we're enemies in game. eAlbania, welcome but Kosovo is Serbia and this is how it should be.
@ILoveU2
what you gonna say about this video then????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mWtWz_aGyk
otherwise, search on youtube with this heading.
How Stupid Americans Really Are!
those people run the whole world, and yet they can't spot even 1 single country on map,so what it means..???? 😛.
A great article, respect!
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