National Convention on Alliances [EN/HR/PL]
Brian Boru
Croatian and Polish Versions below
Today, the Irish National Convention met to discuss how the country should move forward in light of alliance developments. The discussion was highly productive, and citizens of all factions were present. Participation was better than has been seen since 2011, which is very encouraging.
Out of the debate, three points of consensus have arisen.
1. The Croatian-Polish-Spanish Alliance option is what will be prepared for a future referendum on membership of the alliance, once it is formed.
Despite notable objections, most of the assembled citizens felt that attempting to join the alliance currently being formed by Poland, Croatia and Spain was best, particularly by attempting to join as a founder nation.
The arguments for this were various; mostly having to do with the threat from the eUS and eUK otherwise, whether we'd fall into the Serbian sphere of influence, the opportunities for global warfare via allied-supported airstrikes, and the abandonment of allies like Croatia and Bosnia. Arguments against the alliance proposal largely concentrated on the place of Canada as a friendly country and which option would be more entertaining for the country.
Also discussed were concessions we could make as a country to guarantee a place as a founder, which included suggestions such as Ireland abstaining on all votes and refusing to use her veto in HQ except in matters of direct defence of Irish territories.
2. Anglo-Irish Relations: Reconciliation
The National Convention also felt that total reconciliation with the British is now a priority for the country, given the alliance shifts and our long history of conflict. No particular objection was raised on this point. A consensus formed that eIreland and the eUnited Kingdom have fought out our differences on numerous occasions, and that despite the conflict, most eBrits were not hostile to most eIrish.
3. Activity in the country
The National Convention's last topic was the subject of activity in the country.
Particular attention was paid to getting our active citizens talking to one another more effectively, and organising them better. Ideas included greater promotion of IRC, the reopening and use of forums, adding Skype to the list of communications tools, and the appointment of a government spokesperson to increase the media presence of the Cabinet.
HR VERSION
Danas je održana velika Irska Nacionalna Konvencija, eIrski državljanu su se našli kako bi razgovarali o tome što možemo učiniti kako bi naša država napravila korak naprijed s obzirom na saveze u osnivanju. Rasprava je bila jako produktivna, na konvenciji su se pojavili građani iz svih stranaka i grupacija. Vrlo ohrabrujuće zvuči da je posjećenost bila najbolja još od 2011.
U raspravi smo se dodirnuli tri točke.
1. Hrvatsko-Poljsko-Španjolski savez, je opcija za koju se većina opredjelila. To je opcija koja će se glasati na referendumu, jednom kada savez bude osnovan
Unatoč glasnim primjedbama, većina okupljenih građana smatra da je pridruživanje savezu koji osnivaju Poljska, Hrvatska i Španjolska najbolja opcija. Pogotovo ako bi se uspjeli pridružiti kao osnivači saveza.
Bilo je raznih razloga zašto je ta opcija najbolja, ponajviše zbog prijetnje SADa i UKa, padanju pod utjecaj Srbije, prilika u za Airstrike uz podršku saveznika i zbog toga što bi inače morali napustiti Hrvatsku i Bosnu i Hercegovinu.
Što se tiče razloga zašto ova opcija nije najbolja oni su se uglavnom temeljili na tome da bi tako morali prestati prijateljstvo sa Kanadom i zbog toga što bi bilo zabavnije.
Isto tako, bilo je rasprave oko toga što možemo napraviti kako bi si zagarantiralo mjesto osnivača, tu se uglavnom govorilo o tome da ne bi zahtjevali mogućnost glasanja niti iskorištavanja veta u HQu, osim ako se ne radi direktno o obrani Irskih teritorija.
2. Anglo-Irski odnosi: Pomirdba
Nacionalna Konvencija je osjetila potrebu za potpunom pomirdbom sa Britancima kao prioritet za našu zemlju, ponajviše zbog dugotrajnih borbi i promjena u savezima. Nije se moglo čuti previše prigovora na ovaj zaključak. Većina smatra da su se razlike među nama i neslaganja već odavno mogla riješiti na bojištu i da smo se previše puta borili. Pomirdba je željena posebno iz razloga što Britanci uglavnom nisu bili previše naklonjeni ratu sa Irskom.
3. Aktivnost u zemlji
Zadnja točka rasprave na Nacionalnoj Konvenciji doticala se aktivnosti u zemlji.
Posebna pozornost pridala se tomu da bolje organiziramo naše aktivne igrače i učinimo ih djelotvornijima. To se planira učiniti promocijama IRCa, ponovnom pravljenju i korištenju foruma i dodavanju Skypea u sredstva komunikacije. Isto tako pozornost se pridala tomu da se poboljša aktivnost Vlade u izvještavanju javnosti.
PL Version
Dzisiaj, posiedzenie Zgromadzenia Narodowego Irlandii podjęło za cel wypracowanie klarownej odpowiedzi na to w kierunku jakiego sojuszu powinien pójść kraj, w świetle obecnych zmian. Dyskusja okazała się być bardzo produktywną, a obywatele wszystkich frakcji zabrali w niej czynny udział. Nie było tak wielkiego zainteresowania sprawami Irlandii pośród obywateli od 2011 roku, co też jest bardzo budującym prognostykiem.
Z debaty wyniły trzy punkty składające się na konsensus.
1. Opcja chorwacko-polsko-hiszpańska zostanie poddana referendum zaraz po ogłoszeniu powstania oficjalnego sojuszu.
Pomimo pewnej różnicy zdań, większość zebranych obywateli czuje, że dołączenie do sojuszu współtworzonego przez Polskę, Chorwację i Hiszpanię jest najlepszym rozwiązaniem i wyraża zainteresowanie zostania krajem założycielskim.
Argumenty przeciw były zróżnicowane: głównie opierały się na kwestiach związanych z potencjalnym konfliktem z USA lub Wielką Brytanią, po wejściu w strefę wpływów serbskich, możliwościach globalnej walki poprzez użycie airstrike'ów, oraz pozostawieniu przyjaciół tj. Chorwacja i Bośnia. Jednak głównym argumentem przeciw okazało się podejście do Kanady oraz to, że taka droga była po prostu ciekawa.
Dyskutowane też byłły możliwości jakie posiadamy by zostać krajem założycielskim, co zawierało też gotowość do powstrzymywania się od używania prawa głosu oraz zrezygnowania z używania prawa veta w HQ wykluczając kwestie związane z bezpośrednią obroną terytorium Irlandii.
2. Relacje irlandzko-angielskie: rekoncyliacja
Zgromadzenie Narodowe zauważyło, że całkowita rekoncyliacja z Brytyjczykami jest nowym priorytetem dla kraju, zwłaszcza z uwagi na zmiany w sojuszach oraz długą historię wojen. Nie było słychać żadnych głosów sprzeciwu. Konsensus przedstawia się następująco: Irlandia i Wlk. Bryt. po wielu wojnach z różnych powodów, pomimo nich, ni były względem siebie wrogie. Tak więc nie można mówić o Brytyjczykach jako o naturalnych przeciwnikach.
3. Aktywność w kraju
Zgromadzenie Narodowe jako ostatni punkt obrad przedyskutowało kwestię aktywności obywateli w życiu wewnętrznym kraju.
Szczególną uwagę zwrócono na aktywizacji obywateli poprzez bardziej bezpośrednie kontakty, lepszą organizację życia wewnętrznego kraju. Promocja kanałów IRC ponowne otworzenie forum, dodanie komunikatora Skype do listy wykorzystywanych narzędzi, a także powołanie urzędu Rzecznika Rządu w celu poprawy kontaktu rządu z obywatelami.
Comments
o7
well written
I think that chances of national reconciliation between eIreland and eUK will depend a lot on mutual trust and a willingness to sit and talk. It remains to be seen whether there is sufficient momentum on both sides to begin the path forward. It has to be a mutual effort.
Well, we were persistent bastards when it came to fighting them, there's no reason why we wouldn't be persistent in trying to reconcile our differences.
We will sit and talk then. Specially as there is a real thing going on.
I think we can make it.
Good luck eIreland. o7
eCanada - Always in our hearts o7
We'll need it.
Sorry I couldn't make it. Sounds like a very productive meeting.
Some called it "New Irish Revolution".
There was 40 people on channel.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-irish-future-we-have-three-options--2364512/1/20
I feel proud!
Probably the most productive meeting of minds we've had since the Revolution, hence MUFC's enthusiasm for it 😛
We offered free beer for all, and had a good turn out 🙂
This pony likes the conclusions of the convention :3
I hope everything works out well for you guys!
yum
Wonderfully informative. I was out of town this evening, so this was very helpful.
You know it was something big if it got Bhane on IRC.
I thought it was productive. There were many opinions expressed and I felt that there was a genuine desire to talk and not argue. While not all agreed with everything at least discussion took place and steps were taken to move forward. Even if they were described as baby steps at least they are forward baby steps.
wth is the National Convention of Ireland answer that first please!
It was something MUFC decided to run http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cromega-news-and-changes-2366461/1/20
2nd last paragraph
thats a bit vague its in a cromega article to begin with meaning most people won really read it(mufc always buys votes) of those that voted would mostly be cromegas so lets see most that would have participated would be cromega therefore illegitimate.
One of the reasons I did the referendum is to show government we can hold transparent votes and actions this just blows us 100 steps back.
Well people must have read it as we had a surprising number of eirish citizens on the IRC, more than I have ever seen previously on #Eire at any one time including a couple years back when the IRC was commonly being used.
Any way it was just a discussion about the alliances and their potential pros and cons and also how they stand in regards to us not an actual vote or referendum.
Honestly I would be against holding a vote on the IRC unless it was just a couple of people voting e.g. in an alliance HQ or something of the like.
I can send you the logs if you want?
I got most of it, everything to do with the alliance talk anyway and probably a lot of the can we be arsed to use a forum part. I got bored and left at that point 😛
Actually it was this article - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-irish-future-we-have-three-options--2364512/1/20
My point still stands, Don decided to run it and people read it and a surprising number of people attended
irasian do you really think this convention was legitimate considering many people did not even know about it?
It was a meeting open to all citizens to discuss the alliance situation, information from which would inform the government's approach to alliance negotiations.
There were no formal votes, it was largely done on consensus.
first time i have heard of it.
yes you hear only what you want to hear
I did something similar in my term on a weekly basis, only difference is that I called it the Senate and selected leading citizens to debate in it rather than opening it up to all citizens.
I would just like to say that while I don't agree with the outcome it was reasonably well run
However it was clear from the outset what the decision would be and the meeting was called to give legitimacy for the government to follow this path
I'm not saying that is not a valid way to do things but it now appears there will only be one option on any referendum ballot and a yes or no vote
Based on what I read yesterday my vote will be no.
Multiple choice referendums aren't exactly great either, it would exacerbate supposed problems some people already have with the referendum process, not to mention adding the problem of the government having to negotiate entry to two alliances as well as prepare for the possibility of neutrality.
The meeting was called largely to allow the government to concentrate its efforts on one option for the moment, to see how it goes.
People could vote for options in order of their choice anyone one can calculate the winner from there
Also the conference was an idea mentioned in a specific MU article and as such not a national convention. Wellnot until Bhane shouted it as CP and I only attended as he did. I recommend the MoD does not mix the two again.
Anyway I don't think there will be over 66.6% needed in favour. I could of course be wrong.
I proposed the idea. CP agreed it would be good thing to do. I think it's great to see us all talking and discussing things, we should keep up that.
I agree that nothing is decided, and Goverment is continueing to work on all fronts, we're working on two paths.
Multiple choice referendums are a bad idea.
Again Don I repeat there are more than 2 paths
Yeah, there's third one too - Neutrality. Which would kill us.
There's two paths..one is SPoland, the other one is Serbia. Eventually we'll have to decide which one to take.
As MoD, there was no mention of the National Convention in the Army media - but your right to complain about the colour of the memo paper will be upheld regardless.
My apologies, I of course meant the Vice President.
Btw the colour of the memo, pink, was fine (so that right to complain about the colour can be used another day) however keeping it piled on the desk and not distributing it wasn't.
Next time maybe someone in Government should take charge of communications. Just a friendly suggestion.
I am distrustful of "preferendums" as a rule, they're indecisive and frankly we'd have problems with counting beyond the usual whinging.
Also, 66%? How much percent is required depends on the accession terms, a 2/3 majority isn't necessarily required at the referendum stage.
I'm sure many thoughts were thrown out there too. But even reading the conclusions, my vote would be a no as well.
I don't argue that we need to make forward progress. We're stagnating as a nation, diplomatically and in the community. But if we would put the effort into founding a third alliance with nations like Canada and France, we'd just as easily be successful in the long run. Once Spoland or Serbia need the damage, and lure the third alliance in, we'd be as golden as CoT was towards the end of the EDEN era.
Well, that's the second option really. Croatia-Spoland is probably the only option where we don't spend a majority of the time wiped.
France will just wait and pick a side(probably Serbia), their interest in a third alliance would be little I believe.
reasonably well run ? i didnt even know about it and wont be the only one.
Yes I made that point also.
For those who knew and attended it was IMHO reasonably well run. Obivously, for those who were not aware it was on, this point is moot I'm sure.
only question is illegitimate on purpose or illegitimate by accident. here is good news though bhane has promised not to run if we get a "responsible new cp. i was thinking raven or perhaps you even 😃
o7 voted
o7
Steta .
Sve je manje drzava kojima jos mogu skinuti kapu bez obzira na mapu i broj resursa
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Translate it Don, please 😛
Google translate...
"Too bad.
All the smaller states which still can uncap regardless of the folder and the number of resources"