Necessity of ATO
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by atrawall
Mulder wrote a great article on the Turkish PTO a little bit ago.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-self-fulfilling-prophecy-turkish-pto-2118047/1/20
I still agree with it. By isolating them, the prophecy will fulfill itself.
I don't know how necessary the ATO was, but I will say that I think Seisan said it pretty well in the comments of one of the articles.
"You can always just not overreact and apologize for doing stupid things (like the CP impeachment). You don't just do that out of the blue or because of a personal and petty grudge and then expect everything to be a-ok. When you are a member of Congress, you put the country first and not let any outside influence cause bias in your actions. You did and are now wondering why so many mistrust you."
This is a true statement. It's sad that it came at AFK's expense, but honestly, there's a lot going on and the Turkish players never make it easy on themselves.
-By simply ignoring Tenshibo and not trying to fight back, you'll save yourself a big headache. He's the ghost of a fly. He buzzes in your ear and doesn't stop, but you can't swat him away. Just get used to it. His inflammatory statements are meant to shock you, piss you off and get a rise out of you. By acknowledging him, you did this. By banning him, you turned him into a martyr.
-Apologizing for things would be nice as well, like the impeachment, or when Ejdatful wrongly voted no on the Brazil MPP. Rather than apologize and try to make up for it, he continued to promote voting "NO" (Though my overreaction in the forums may have incited this as well.
-By using Leon and Ejdatful as the spokespeople for a group and doing most things as a unit. You have effectively become the "Turk Block." During CP elections that was kind of a scary concept. That there could be 12 players who vote as a unit towards a candidate. But my point here is that, all we know about you is that you are all silent, powerful figures who have been many different places and work as a unit and we only hear from 3 of you.
Things that other eSA citizens can stop doing:
-Get out of mob mentality. Just because one person is arguing with Leon doesn't mean everyone should gang up on him. (I was very happy how many people called me out on my bullshit comments on the forums)
-Be a little more friendly to them in general. They have a lot of powerful players here, who can do some serious damage. (If we ever have something to fight for.)
We are all at fault for this, and I think the language barrier is as well.
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Nicely put Claudio
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My friend, we always tried to talk about issues first. Yesterday, I've invited Luna to the my IRC channel and talked about RISE's PP. He told me that he doesn't know anything, he cannot do anything. After few hours, I saw he has organized sth against us.
On forum, we want to argue about something, which is good for SA. New ideas might be better. But as you said, no chance to discuss about something. It suddenly become Leon vs everyone.
About impeach, I'm not sorry. We lost lots of golds, we lost lots of STR, because of second term of Vanessa. You all know we cannot approve impeach with our own votes. But It was good warning for Vanessa, that's all.
Lastly, If you are writing about things, don't start with "result", look at "reason" first please. We were playing friendly here, even at those times someone called us as pTOer or money. Then we have changed. Do not blame us because of that.
I am also not sorry about the impeachment, you warned eSA that you cannot be trusted. I hope all can see that you are having tantrums simply because your 3 GoW lost out on some strength and gold.
You believe we should have sacrificed our country to please you, you are wrong.
You make threats and then say "we are all friendly" lol
We are not as stupid as you think, I used to call you panpa (brother). No more
+1 what vanessa said.
Every week now we have another friend joining "I just want to join my friends" "I just want to join my friends" "I just want to join my friends". Then they move to Desert Lions and whatever party Leon and Edjatful are in and never speak or get involved again.
Like NRL has said, this becomes the 'eTurk bloc'. There are only 2-3 of you that are involved in the community at all so it's hard not to lump everyone in with Leon and Edjatfuls actions.
Do you think that we prevent our members to join the community?
We'd love our members to join politics and forums as well. But most of them are two clickers like the imported ones who joined RISE and voted what was told.
We will fight against this censure and isolation till it will be broken !
Thanks NRL. Voted !
" I hope all can see that you are having tantrums simply because your 3 GoW lost out on some strength and gold." - Not many people were happy about this, Vee. The sad part is they couldn't go anywhere either. If 5 left the country to go get that medal, can we assure they'd have been let back in?
I'd honestly love to get input from the rest of the Turks on this matter. If they can be bothered enough to organize votes, then they can write a sentence or two in the comments.
@Seisan, what would you like to hear from us? We are always talking with eachother and Léon trying to defend our rights. If we join into these discussions and make it worse, is that good?
To be honest, it'd make it better at least we'd have and idea that you are real people with real emotions or real takes on the matter.
Do you think I am 62 level multi account?
@crueldestiny, don't you know, we are all multi (:
Voted!
I don't think you are anything other than a player. However, you might as well be a level 15 account with no picture for all we know about you. This is the problem. We want to see you guys angry too. "Not accepting people illegally" angry, but while no one assumes you are a multi, we can assume you are a Merc taking shelter in eSA, with very little loyalty to us, probably willing to sell votes or CS requests. By being more known, this is harder to assume.
one thing Ejdatful said made more sense we would allow. They have a reason to play now, eSA as a whole should find that 'reason' to play, that which evokes the passion and makes you more active and build the next generation eSA we all long for.
Opposing forces is good, but better if you are sure that both have the interest of eSA at heart, that would allow for more free thinking and in my opinion good rivalry.
Just remember it is a game, and that you deal with people.
Claudio / NRL speaks mad sense.
We went through this with other players, Ostdeustche, and Patrysss and a Giw1985, these guys were mercs who did not communicate to the society and ended up letting people in who shouldn't have been, probably via bribe money.
As I stated before, (until today) you had done nothing wrong, but you also never eased our suspicions. The only person who did was AFK as he integrated himself into the community.
Our reason to play is to free more regions for South Africa and increase our population.
Another weapons resource = a better economy = more mpps = more growth.
A larger population = a faster economy = more tax = more mpps = more growth.
The conflict we see is everyone fundamentally agreeing on our predicament, all being equally frustrated by it, but nobody seeing a constructive way out of the hole we find ourselves in. So we fight with each other to vent.
well said Miyagi