The self-fulfilling prophecy: Turkish PTO
mulderpf
Is that what the citizens of eSouth Africa want? Do we WANT to be PTO'ed by the Turks, or any other minority group we can lay our hands on? Because we are surely heading down that way. Not because there's necessarily a will by anyone to PTO us right now, but because we will eventually drive people down that route.
It takes time to build up trust - but just how much time? How much more time do you need from our Turkish immigrants to prove that they are not here to stage a coup? AwayFromKeyboard has been a citizen of eSouth Africa since May! It is now September, yet still gets treated by some as an outsider here to PTO.
Our Turkish immigrants have held many positions in government and yet, I still see no PTO underway.
All I see is a few immigrants, desperately wanting to integrate, but it being made difficult or near impossible at every possible opportunity. Everywhere I look, there's either someone being outright rude towards them, someone making a snide remark or someone just generally showing that they are not welcome here.
Seriously, we are worried about a small group of Turkish players who have made good friends with us? For one thing, if they are here to PTO us, then the CP and myself will join in, because we are their friends. We'll PTO ourselves.
Earlier this year, around February, I was told that we are in the midst of a Polish PTO. To make matters worse, some Swedes also joined us. This was confirmation of a definite PTO attempt by ONE. Look how that worked out for us! All I can say is that I have made some really good Polish and Swedish friends from there and that it still makes me feel sad just how rude we were towards them.
I remember that eventually the Swedes just gave up. We made it so incredibly miserable for them to do anything or hold any political positions, that they just left - time wasted trying to pursue something in a new country.
It's what we do it seems. We get some people that look at us and say "oh, look - a small friendly country - they look like a happy bunch of people" and we change to be a rude, arrogant bunch that makes it nearly impossible for anyone to want to stick around.
Our attitudes toward foreigners stink. Our nation has been built on waves of immigrants, yet we maintain a seriously bad anti-immigrant view of things.
Unless you have proof, which does not consist of hearsay about a PTO, best you ignore it, otherwise you are going to live in constant fear of a PTO. Hearsay is usually no more than that, hearsay.
The best thing for security is not to be rude and insulting to our immigrants, but to actually welcome them and make them feel at home as quickly as possible. We do not want new arrivals to resent their decision to come here.
Get over it already and accept that one of the ways to grow our active population is by getting immigrants in - at the moment our stinking attitudes are simply driving them away. You'd think it's good for security, but it's bad having a bunch of people who resent ever coming here.
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I don't think they are here to PTO us, not the ones we know. They had ample opportunity to do us harm, and they did not do that. So maybe we should give the ones that are currently in eSA a chance to really become part of our society.
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Please people, treat our foreigners with some respect.
Every time a few immigrants enter eSA, shouts of PTO are going up and people are up in arms about it. It is time we stop seeing PTO with each visit of some foreigners to our country.
Thank you Mulderpf, you are a great guy.
As my opinion, when people don't aggree with us and they can't argue about their opinion well, they are blaming us as pTOer and go away. Because this is simplier then staying and fighting for your opinion.
Once, they have been cleared by the MOS, they should be treated like any other citizen, I do not see a turkish flag next to citizenship nor one in their avatars. As a country that is deemed the rainbow nation, we welcome you into our brotherhood and share with you in the spirit of ubhuntu.
I urge all to stop this trend of pushing immigrants away.
Precisely! Well-said Luna...
I've been saying this for a very long time but I don't think the situation is anywhere near as severe as mulder make it out to be.
We can't stop individuals from being xenophobic but I think we've made sure our system is not. Otherwise these people could never have achieved cabinet positions and such.
The rainbow nation? Spirit of ubhuntu?
All of my wat
pushing immigrants away is not acceptable its ironic tht we are experiencing xenophobia
however i urge my former turk friends *please note i said former because i see you as eSA citizens now* to be patient with the citizens that resist them you see a PTO is a very traumatic thing its like being bended backwards and watching all your ego and patriotism being screwed over trust me eSA has had a fair about of backstabbing
so lets hug and embrace and if the screw us over we will..
Well, i do respect gay's rights to get married and shit, but the spirit of ubhuntu? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALY?
for kiko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
Hahahaha - Kiko, the Rainbow Nation actually does not refer to the gay flag in this instance, but rather the fact that we are a bunch of people from varied backgrounds (represented by the colours in the rainbow).
But I am glad to hear that you respect gay rights 😃
When I came over here so long ago, I didn't know that I was involved with a PTO attempt orchestrated by the long gone Ajay Bruno. While he hoped to overthrow eSA's government, I held no ill-will towards its people and eventually moved against him when I knew the truth.
There are definitely people out there selfish enough to try and PTO us, but they are but a very small minority to those that come here with good intentions. eSA is the real melting-pot of the world!
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eSA!!!
Even former president, long-time eSA patriot and good friend of mine, Rico Suave, came here over 4 years ago as part of a failed Swedish PTO. I don't oppose anyone until they give me a reason to, no matter where they are from.
I didn't know George Silver was part of the Ajay Bruno PTO attempt! Had I known that, I wouldn't have named him to my cabinet during one of my cp terms!
Who will join me to do some good old PTO here? That usually stirs up the mood here 🙂
Ajay Bruno sponsored me with a moving ticket to come to eSA too!
Thank you to all of the players for giving their best efforts here!
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/me joins Ramet3
seriously tho, it's easy to accuse someone without proof. We shouldn't do it or we'll end up like the shepherd boy who cried wolf! On the other hand if someone is "clean", they won't get harmed/annoyed by such accusations. Either way, it's just a game. Let's all have fun with each other.
btw mulder, if i were u, i'd ask vee to give me some of her hot-guy pics.
I'm struggling to understand why people are sill stuck up on the PTO thing. Leon, AFK, and the rest of them have more than proved themselves.
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possibly the best article written in south Africa this year
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Good job Mulder, very necessary.
DonVin sends a naked pic of himself to mulderpf 😛
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I am for the record a Swede. Phear my struggle to suddenly one day perform a PTO!
Agreed. Distrust and paranoia only serve to breed resentment from immigrants and signal an unwarranted lack of faith from eSA in it's own government making us appear vulnerable to real threats from abroad and within. Cooler heads and tolerance must prevail.
Good article!
Thank you for clearing up the issues Mulder! Agent Scully would have been proud
Now we can sleep safe at night. My work is done here!
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Well, I was also thought to be part of a PTO when I first started, they even had real evidence! lol
I want to help PTO!
spreading PTO paranoia is like spreading old wife's tales, maybe we should just give the attention it deserves, none. No evidence, no PTO.
If you have any concerns chat to MoS, in private, any dealings with regard PTO's is better dealt with in private, less humiliating when it is proven not to be the case ; )
As i told vanessa "We are eSouth African citizens now. eTurkey is in our past." (i think 1 or 2 month ago).
Guys if we want to PTO, why are we serve in government several terms? why am i start STRSP for new players ?
I proud to be an eSouth African.
Vee, mulder, Luna, Nickerball and other friends thank you o/
you forgot DonVin AFK
And Claudio Kilgannon for helping you PTO
Oh i'm so sorry Don. Special thanks to DonVin 🙂