Canada and The Work Tax
Tyler Bubblar
Two topics of late have dominated the media and the conversation. The war against Canada and the Work tax have been linked together by some. Our last CP attempted to use the higher than average rate we have as justification for what was in my opinion wasteful spending on our war. eCanadian citizens are now trolling us by claiming responsibility for said tax rate. It is my belief that these two issues are separate and should be treated as such.
Above is a Poal conducted by myself on the Federalist Party Forums. As can be plainly seen the bulk of the votes are very much in support of war effort. While much of the party is in favor of a reduction in taxes, our commitment as a Party to the military goals of the eUSA remains firm. The Feds stand ready to fight for the interests of the nation.
Much has been made about the exorbitant amount of money spent by the last administration to keep Canada down. While confidentiality prevents me from getting into specifics I can tell you that the amount of money spent on this conflict has declined sharply. Molly Emma as CP has been judicious, prudent, patient, and measured in her execution of the war. When the detailed numbers are released in several months it will be plain for all to see. Despite some of the talking points floating around out there this war will not bankrupt the coffers
This brings me to the work tax. No one likes taxes, be they real life, or in a browser game. However, most recognize that they are a necessity for the wheels of society to continue to turn. It's no secret that I personally am in favor of a reduction in the rate. However, as Speaker this month I've tried to keep my personal opinion out of the debate that raged this session of Congress. I received votes from both sides in the Speaker election, and I've been mindful of that fact.
I was likely the first dissenting voice over the Fiscal Solvency Protection Act. The previous rate of 5% covered our baseline expenses, something that prior to the creation of the work tax was unattainable. As the economy dried up more and more line items were cut from the budget until all that remained was the MPP line, and the USAF line. Even with those drastic cuts we were running close to a 100% deficit.
While some (myself included) were alarmed at this we were told the reserves would last for years, and that hopefully the economy module would be fixed. Then TWO came to visit for the summer. Millions of dollars was spent on that war. This of course emptied our vaunted reserves quite a bit. So with that in mind the concept of the Fiscal Solvency Act was first floated. The concept was we raise taxes until we get a nice cushion back in place then we lower taxes to match budgeted expenditures.
As I said I disagreed with the tax raise from the start. As a part of the leadership of a private MU I had witnessed what the consequences of the work tax were. Supplies were lowered, and popular programs like the artillery division were cut entirely. When an attempt to repeal Fiscal Solvency Act and lower taxes to 7% fell short by 1 vote, I published a series of articles attacking the opposition to "my" tax cut while seeking to milk votes to put a future attempt at a cut over the top.
In retrospect that was a mistake. While yes I was and still am very passionately in favor of a reduction in the tax rate, going after the parties I saw as standing in my way was the wrong way to go. It's been the better part of a year since I published those articles, the tax rate remains the same, and I have yet to repair the damage done to interpersonal relationships caused by my approach.
That's really what makes the eWorld go round, interpersonal relationships. Foreign affairs, ATO, Speaker, and legislation anything of value is accomplished in large part through the utilization of interpersonal skills. I've been disappointed in the vitriol surrounding this debate. Those in favor of higher taxes have been painted as a greedy, elitist cabal with sticky fingers. Those in favor of cutting taxes have been accused of being shortsighted and willfully blind to the math. The discussions in Congress has become increasingly caustic. As a result the discussions have been locked for the duration of this Congress.
It is possible for two sides to debate on an issue that they disagree on without things descending to the level that they have. Especially considering that taxes are just one of many topics that arise from time to time. Burning bridges over a single topic no matter how important it may seem just isn't worth it. Molly Emma, Dmjohnston, Kemal, and Wild Owl were prominent voices for keeping the work tax the same. While I personally disagree, I had and continue to have nothing but respect for them and their commitment to the eUSA community and nation.
Undoubtedly this issue will be revisited as soon as the next Speaker is elected. It is my sincere hope that this next debate can be done with a little more courtesy, and more effort to at least try to see things from the opposite point of view without instantly ascribing the most sinister of motivations. We're better than that.
tl;dr version the Feds remain committed to the war in Canada, the Work tax and the war are not a singular issue, and let's have disagreements without allowing them to tear rifts in our community.
Comments
First for civil discourse
I pay more taxes than 99% of the country, receive nothing for them, and I'm OK with that because the vast majority of the money is going to people who don't have the luxury of being years old and investing in making an account that can operate successfully in such a manner.
I get why people want to pay less, but it's silly to think that won't have consequences in the long term. I've even spoken in favor of a 'tax rebate' for MUs that want to do it, but when all but one took a pass that idea died.
Good point. However, I would add that public spending tends to increase community activity and involvement to the extent this is possible in this game. So you receive 'something' from your taxes although this is impossible to model. We could also reasonably hypothesize that without some level of taxes we would have fewer bonuses which would directly impact your personal income.
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"No one likes taxes, be they real life, or in a browser game."
Actually... I'm very much pro-taxes IRL; much like I'm for them in the game given they are spent judiciously. This article overall did a good job stressing that the tax issue isn't simply (as some have been trying to characterize it) pro-war versus anti-war. The idea is that we can pay less without effectively reducing damage capabilities. Good read.
"we can pay less without effectively reducing damage capabilities" - I still haven't heard how this is possible.
I thought you had an Ivy League economics degree?
I guess I'll have to explain anyway. Really it's not even economics just some simple math. Current tax is 10% with X going to the 10 mill bank account, which is NOT being used at all for anything right now, not the war in Canada not anything. So, subtract X from the current tax rate and lower it.
BOOM, lower taxes at 0 loss of damage capabilities. Are you sure you didn't just go to Subway University and become a sandwich artist instead?
Oh, look, the clown is here. We spent around 12 million CC the last time we were invaded. You want to leave us with a reserve smaller than 10 million?
Is that right Kemal? I thought it was around 4 to 5 million public dollars with 3 to 4 million in private dollars?
Check Oblige's post in the congress.
No I want a reserve of exactly 10 just like the law said and just like we have. The only way it would be less is if it were to be misused or misspent which could easily happen, then there is the other way tax money disappears.
So you do mean "lower military spending", hence we go back to the question "we can pay less without effectively reducing damage capabilities" - how is this possible? Less money = less damage
Good read.
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The real reason the eUS want to keep eCanada wiped is because of our low taxes. Why is it we have zero tax revenue and you still can't beat us in a meaningful way? If you want to beat us you need to raise taxes not lower them.
Silly Tyler is silly!
How much have you spent on the war, Dennis?
Not nearly as much as the eUS spent, and I have a lot more where that came from. 🙂
How about this month? How much have you spent since you were elected CP? Care to relate that to US expenditures?
Still less than the eUS has spent on the total war. This month has cost me about half of what I was spending on Praetorian Guards.
Which is far far from an answer.
LordRahl2forPOTUS plz.
When this war is all done and over with, you'll get your answer.
I will accept beneficent overlord of the Norther US province. You would do far better under my magnanimous rule sir klop.
You used your bank account to buy relevance in a dying internet browser game. Congrats.
Actually I used my bank account to keep my community alive, it just had thr added bonus of embarrassing the eUS.
DMV you act as if it's eCanadians and eCanadaians only that are fighting against the eUSA. If that we're true you could brag, but instead you should be thank all your allies and the massive amount of other people out there helping canada simply because they don't like the USA.
I have, on numerous occasions both publicly and privately.
You don't here. And you Can't compare your low work tax to our high tax as far as war funding goes because that is not where the majority of your fund come from. So thank your credit cards and thank your allies, but your taxes have nothing to do with it.
so... are you saying that it is only eAmericans fighting Canada? Because I can tell you it is not.
So in other words, we finally have allies that actually fight for us and have the firepower to make a difference? Seems to me like our government made the right decisions in an alliance while you want your cake and eat it too.
"While confidentiality prevents me from getting into specifics I can tell you that the amount of money spent on this conflict has declined sharply."
The number of Canadian regions returning to the map would seem to suggest there is a correlation between US spending and success in the war.
Kinda flies in the face of the point you're trying to make tbh
or, as time goes by, more and more citizens are saying " A pox on both your houses!" and then going off to help their allies
Straw men. Straw men everywhere.
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This is a well-thought out article.
A good read.
Polite.
But politeness doesn't incite revolutionary changes.
Manners are their own reward
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I commented something on DW's article along the lines of "we're all still eUS Congressmen, so even if we disagree, we should keep in mind we're still on the same side as the guy with whom we're debating."
Keep it clean, yo.
Methinks your high level elitist players protest too much about all this thinkin' y'all been doing lately 'bout taxes, eUSA. Shut up and pay your taxes they say, at 10% we we can't barely hold down a penniless country 1/5 our size! Shuck, if we lower it to 8% they'll probably wipe us off the map!!
This is a shame.
care to elaborate?
Populism for the sake of populism is a shame. A nation must be governed with the needs of the many taken to heart, not the needs of the few. This problem can be seen in real life America to an alarming degree.
To paraphrase...The customer is NOT always right.
Who those few are and what those needs are is where we differ and we will not convince each other, I think.
I got Curious, and I went and checked the last 7 days of our income. We are averaging about 1230cc in income from Canadian Regions. Are we spending more than 6 gold/CC equivalent per day to keep canada down?
While having Higher Bonuses is good for US Citizens in theory, it also means we make more products and flood the market, lowering prices, and inherently lowering tax revenues. Combined with having basically no import tax, people are selling tons of stuff on our market, driving our prices down even further.
We don't need a blind "Keep the Work Tax" argument, we need people to sit down and work out the numbers for all the different possible combinations of Scenarios.
I'm glad we are in a better alliance now than before, not sure what our purpose messing with Canada is though. I don't like the higher taxes, so would like to know how keeping Canada down is worth the higher rate. If it is worth the effort than I don't have a problem doing it, if not lets drop it!
I remember when the USA said Canada would be wiped forever.
Nope.
Guess they need to start posting COs even higher than the $100-150 they've posted previously.
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