Tax Revolt? Prove it.
Day 1,476, 12:37
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by Morrigan Alexandros
Over the last few months, there has been a sort of Occupy the Capitol and Tax Revolt movement going on. A lot of criticism and debate has inundated the ePages of some newspapers. Like its real life counterpart, it has not resulted in anything conclusive other than voicing discontent.
...Or not.
Well, I hear your discontent and now I want to challenge you to stop talking about it and write an constructive and detailed Tax Proposal. Cause frankly, I am tired of hearing you talk and I want some action.
This is not a contest, you won’t win anything. This is a call for different perspectives and ideas. This is a call for your proposed tax reform.
Rules:
1. Publish the tax proposal in your newspaper.
2. Post in a comment under this article.
3. Make sure you address VAT, Import tax and Income Tax for each of the industries:
a. Food
b. Weapons
c. Weapons RMs
d. Food RMs
e. Hospital
f. Defense System
g. Houses
h. Tickets
4. Why would an increase or decrease be favorable?
5. Possible negative outcomes?
6. Visual ai
😛I would like some graphs and pics!
Other rules: No trolling or mudslinging in your article.
Start working. IF it makes sense and proves beneficial, I will bring it to Congress and to the Economic Counsel for discussion.
(Insert a Pfeiffer “this is dumb” comment.)
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Cake is good for the economy 😃
This is dumb....
Wait, I'm not Pfeiffer.
Good work, Morrigan!
gov needs taxes... military units need funding
This isn't dumb. I doubt most people will take the time, except SHM who will be like 'USE MY IRISH PLAN, DURRRR'
Also, I'm in your head. Does that make you feel dirty?
Not in my head, under my shoe. *Squish.*
You are at the fruit. Never ask for economic things to the people.
I for one support an Education Tax, one that is levied for the direct benefit of my Swiss... I mean, DoE use.
drop all Taxes to the game minimum of 1%, and send that to me.
spend the Reserves, all of it, by sending Q5 tanks to every man, woman and child in America.
the upside-- I look like a hero.
downside? mo' money for me, no downside there.
wait a minnit... I got the batteries in my tin foil hat put in backwards! damn, I hate when that happens!
**I summon Chae Dee**
/me waits for CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
"This isn't dumb. I doubt most people will take the time, except SHM who will be like 'USE MY IRISH PLAN, DURRRR'"
You are dumb. A dumb troll. I never said the Irish tax system should be copied.
I would recommend between 8 to 10 percent for all taxes, income, VAT and import. This would still provide the income we would need, without any market distortions.
I will be observing this article and any tax proposals closely. Thanks for throwing down the gauntlet, Morrigan!
Translation;
Stop your bitching and do something about taxes.
I love this article.
"Translation;
Stop your bitching and do something about taxes."
Exactly.
alea iacta est
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Stranger Here Myself
"You are dumb. A dumb troll. I never said the Irish tax system should be copied. "
Actually I see you mention that you 'did the Irish tax system that's still in place' quite a bit.
Write one up for the eUS, and not some utopian setting please, as it is presently. Would love to see what you come up with.
I support the "Support Bia" tax so I can continue to lurk around doing nothing important.
a. Food 100%
b. Weapons 100%
c. Weapons RMs 100%
d. Food RMs 100%
e. Hospital 100%
f. Defense System 100%
g. Houses 100%
h. Tickets 100%
Pfft. Screw taxes and let people self fund. Seriously all you 'leaders' and smart erepublik people... 25% taxes and yet we still get our asses handed to us every time our enemies feel like doing it.
@mccvii 😁What he said. Alternatively we could have a 90 percent tax for everything which applies to the people that do the the taxing only? Let's see how you thieving punks like it then. Viva La Revolution!
no actions no proposals from 20 days ago:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/economic-writing-contest-quot-tax-zeus-quot-by-dodona-1904382/1/20
I could publish an updated version to fit all your criteria, but I don't think it's worth it.
I had a chat with Leroy Combs the other day, his ideas are in the right direction, so I'd go with him. He's a person that the gurus will listen to.
"Actually I see you mention that you 'did the Irish tax system that's still in place' quite a bit."
I did and it is. Which, by no way means that should be copied. When I made the above statement I also made that clear. I also made my agenda clear: restore the tax table as of day 1429. This is very core of it, the EC tax plan has failed, and has failed because it was based on fundamentally flawed assumptions (and I have already explained and proved that extensively, providing actual and historical data, and all the charts Morrigan is now asking for).
Restoring the pre-day-1430 taxes would mean the government had approximately the same revenues to redistribute - without all the negative consequences of the current tax regime.
We actually have two different issues here:
1) the current tax regime vs the old one
the current tax regime is clearly worse than the old one, has missed all the stated goals and slowed down our progress. there is sh*tloads of evidence on that already. it was a step (or rather a giant leap) in the wrong direction. on the individual level, the only 'winners' are employers at large, everyone else is a loser. on the national level, everyone is a loser.
2) where should we move from the pre-day-1430 tax regime
That is a completely different issue. I personally would go with a more free market model than Dodona's plan, but since our whole system is heavily dependant on govt funding, any radical changes could make the military system collapse on the short term. So any change can only be gradual, protracted to months (!), and safeguarded by correction protocols with pre-set triggers.
I don't know the eUSA income levels per day but i strongly believe once we can reach 99,999K USD a day with a certain tax level it's the best thing to do. We have no need to gather anymore then that unless admins decide that 99,999k currency is not enough to support a population of 10,000 untill then we might as well just keep with the 99k donations a day.
a. Food 10%
b. Weapons 10%
c. Weapons RMs 10%
d. Food RMs 10%
e. Hospital Do not exist
f. Defense System Do not exist
g. Houses 10% (these are basically worthless)
h. Tickets Do not exist
The problem here is 3 of the above can not even be produced anymore and therefore produce no income and have no place in any discussion on taxes. Houses are still produced, but anybody with any sense would never buy one and also have no place in tax discussions.
America makes tax dollars on Food, weapons and raw material, which should be taxed at 10%, Import Taxes should be high enough to keep foreign produced products off American markets, most especially products produced by our enemies. Value added taxes should also be 10%. With this tax system America is making 20% tax on all products.
'Pfft. Screw taxes and let people self fund. Seriously all you 'leaders' and smart erepublik people... 25% taxes and yet we still get our asses handed to us every time our enemies feel like doing it.'
That's because you have leaders like Pfeiffer and his USWP sock puppet zombie horde. Wake up America, you are being sold down the river.
Dru Blood, Hosp and DS, tickets still exist btw. Whether they are for sale is another issue.
They do exist, but for a tax plan, they are pretty much irrelevant.
I think a flat tax is a great idea, but we have revenue targets to meet to insure our nations survival first. We haven't completed these necessary revenue targets yet, but once we do I am in favor of a 8%-10% flat tax on all industries.
Anyone know how much were taking in daily taxes on average?
Sir Arthur:
"Quote from: Hekter on Yesterday at 01:02:11 am
Over the past month exactly, which was just today, the number is $125,817.39."
this is in the Topic of the budget discussion thread, in the Public section of the Congress forums.
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,13885.0.html
Thanks custer for the link
Donate 100k through buy constructions to mow. Make mow more popular and a national food program for everyone not currently funded.
We must abolish this oppressive income tax.
"Pfft. Screw taxes and let people self fund. Seriously all you 'leaders' and smart erepublik people... 25% taxes and yet we still get our asses handed to us every time our enemies feel like doing it." +1
erep's economic system guarantees nobody will starve. we can even fight to 0 health! it isn't about taxes. it's about control. a small group of people are using policy to control the rest of us just because they can.
taxes are the only thing that e-politicians control at this time. you'll see more anal behavior if the admin allows it.
@George Armstrong Custer - pretty angry mobbish agenda you've had since you got into Congress, cowboy. You truly are a revolutionary.
And, to nail it once more for the slow folks:
Current tax regime's idea is to have the SAME revenue as the old one. Just in a more newbie-development-hampering way.
Read Kemal's article.
For those citizen not around a year ago...these are the same questions and answers we were getting back then. Citizens like Henry 'Pfeiffer' Arundel do not want you to know anything, hence Presidents who do not communicate. He doesn't want the status quo to change, hence his usual refrain of this is stupid, we already have this and your are an idiot to every discussion, proposal and vote in Congress. He does not want new citizens joining and advancing in game hence his citizen defense MU, a unit which was meant to help train new citizens while funneling them to other units; a unit which is full of veterans who have have NOT been trained and then directed to the MU which fits their needs.
Henry 'Pfeiffer' Arundel is not for America, he is for Henry 'Pfeiffer' Arundel, a citizen who puts down everything a citizen accomplishes in-game and claims that only things a citizen role plays outside the game count. All whle telling citizens that RP sucks....