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India: Winners and Losers, and how we became an alliance whore

Dia 1,871, 16:52 Published in India Irlanda por Death and Taxes


Hi gang. This is not going to be a pleasant article to write nor to read. It's not my intention having been here less than a month to write an article that will cause a flame war and presumably force me to leave eIndia. But there are certain things I hold dear. I hope you hold them dear too:





Now these are the things that a lot of us just take for granted in real life, but in the meantime, we can spend hours playing this stupid, pointless great game where we can experiment in a political, military and economical version of the real thing.



So, because I'm Irish in RL, I tend to have traits that I assume are close to my RL Indian colleagues. Seeing as we were a British Colony for 800 years (yes, that's right 800 YEARS), and seeing as you had a little stint too, it tends to make freedom and democracy something we both hold dear.

As for loyalty? Well, this is something that makes a nation and makes a person. If you don't have it, then you're worth nothing.

So, when I joined this great country, which has the most fantastic opportunity to become a powerhouse in eRepublik, it was an honour. It was also an honour to be brought in by the MoFA Alector because it indicated real trust. As I said to Alector at the time, I intended to stay here for 6 months and make a good name for myself as:

A Contributor to the community using my media skills
A good fighter in D4 for India giving 4m per day, everyday
To analyse the MU structure and advise on changes
To at all times honour the freedom, democracy and loyalty that India has always been famed for in eRepublik

I have kept my word, but some in India have not kept theirs.

The first issue that arose was the referendum to leave EDEN. This was not a referendum, it was a rigged farce designed to ensure the result it gave. The kind of democratic voting system associated with countries like Zimbabwe. You can read my article about it here

But what was really disappointing was that there was no need to rig the result. No need to cheat. No need to publish those that voted and to be ridiculed afterwards. I have no doubt that if a proper vote had been cast, people would have agreed to leave EDEN. So why didn't this government do it? I'll tell you why.

Because this government will not trust its people. They will not allow us a democratic vote, and they will not even allow Congress a democratic vote. Freedom for them is just another word to be ignored, and loyalty to the functions of the state go out the window as long as the junta gets its way.

So then India, who are the winners and the losers of the current situation?



Croatia wins. Once India 'voted' to leave EDEN Croatia took the gloves off. No more Mr. Nice Guy (not that they were ever really nice). While India kept their word and fought with Croatia against Indonesia, Croatia just considered us a bunch of cowardly fence-sitters seeing which way the wind blows, before deciding what side of the fence to land on.

So what do you know? Against all the odds Croatia survive against CoT/Indonesia. Now they put their attention back to us. You'll remember all we had was a useless MPP with Argentina, in the meantime we signed another MPP with Australia. But what's this coming down the tracks? Why! It's an NE from our old friends Thailand:



And how does India respond to this. Why, we sign up as many MPP's as we can:




Now all these are pro-EDEN countries, but China is our most important ally because unlike Croatia, they will never be gone and we are likely always to have a border with them.

But Croatia aren't impressed. It suits them all too well to have Thailand take over southern India and come up with some excuse to NE India. If you want to know how they lied about 'having to NE us' just read this article by Suster in association with his CP here and read my responses in the comments.

So for Croatia this wasn't about alliances or territories, or threats from Indonesia, this was all about wiping India, getting total control over her regions and resources and behaving like the hegemonic power they pretend to be.

But don't forget, it took an incompetent government to not only give them this ammunition, but to put the muzzle of the gun in our mouths too.

But wait! There is another winner here:



What we have is an elite junta in this government that have got exactly what they want. Not because they are clever politicians that have enacted a cunning plan. No, they've taken advantage of a situation where no-one will stand up to them. Not Congress, nor any of the political parties. This is what they have achieved:

They made India leave EDEN without offering us a proper referendum. When the illegality of the referendum was pointed out to them, they just ignored it as democracy isn't important to this government, nor is freedom of choice.

They did this, because they wanted a way out when Croatia was wiped by Indonesia. So brave Indian soldiers fought for Croatia and helped them survive while our government hid in its bunker saying and doing nothing.

But when Croatia survived and we were NE'd by Thailand, suddenly we couldn't get enough EDEN allies, especially the one country we need to have as a friend China.

You've seen the logs the other day between Croatia and India as far as our respective MoFA's were concerned. No real effort by either side to heal the rift. Just insults and childishness. So both get what they want. We know what Croatia got, so what did our junta get? Well, they got this:












That's right. Our 'government' has taken a carte blanche to go around every CoT and TWO country in the entire world like a cheap whore looking for alliances. ANY alliance will do. Doesn't matter if the alliance is with countries that are quite frankly, exceptionally unpleasant conquerors of smaller nations, constantly keeping them wiped or 'allowing' them a region so they can have congress.

And I can tell you, apart from Indonesia rejecting the MPP, there are a lot more to come, and a lot more that just said no, or laughed at our desperation

No, this government doesn't care about who we are allied to. This government are just interested in surviving the mess it and Croatia caused.

Finally, this junta gets its ultimate goal knowing that having made this great country a minion of TWO and CoT. A pawn to be used to get at China, that at least they will get rid of something they actively dislike.



That's right. UAG are not going to be here fighting for Poland and Spain, and so depending on how the CP election goes, you can expect them to be leaving this country very soon.

Good riddance! some of you will say. But to lose 25% of your influence and your key D4 units is disastrous. What's really bad is losing their experience in everything like warfare, administration and politics. It will be a big blow, but it will suit our other winners down to the ground.

Make no mistake, there are some very happy eIndians out here now. Out of EDEN, into the arms of TWO and getting rid of UAG. But is there a price to pay?



The real loser is India. Remember these ideals that we talked about at the start?





Well, we can say goodbye to those attributes right now. I would prefer to wipe a thousand times than to whore myself off to every alliance I could find.

I would never, ever, enter into an alliance with countries that are determine to wipe a friend and neighbour that I had an MPP with (that's China by the way)

But at all times, I would always, always, allow the people to make an informed decision and listened to their feedback before I made momentous decisions like this.

The government has failed its people, it has acted like a dictatorship. When you go to the polls on the 5th of January, I hope you remember that.

I hope you remember Freedom Democracy Loyalty

I am Death & Taxes

And I am, and will always remain, a friend of India

True friends speak their minds.





 

Comentários

olivermellors
olivermellors Dia 1,871, 17:35

Nice writing. I'm not so sure there is a clique or cabal or junta.... Maybe there are just very few players? and most agree with each other. Frankly I just don't know. However, you have sketched things out pretty well.

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 17:50

Just a few simple questions from a bystander.
1. With India actually going neutral/Pro-EDEN, and croatia just lashing out show that they care more for their own ego then allies?
2. Doesn't that show that EDEN was just throwing you around anyways as a mere puppet for croatia to host(Yet you talk about being minion of CoTwo)?
3. Do you think the croats really would care if you had stayed in GEA(The top in EDEN most likely wouldn't give a damn anyways as they have shown previously where turkey has overrun the alliance own countries)?
4. Do pardon but as far as I'm aware, most of the CoTwo came to India not the other way around(So CoTwo shows helpful but EDEN didn't even bother to care, So tell me who the bad guy alliance was?)
5. Don't you think it's about time that croatia stop hiding from their own hole in the balkans?
6. Who said anything about India actually joining CoTwo?(Sure they get help from them, as a certain other alliance didn't care for. All in All, china and India can still be friends)
7. Loyalty and freedom eh... So being Pro-EDEN isn't loyalty enough? Being a mere host for croatia is freedom? I don't really see the freedom of choice in EDEN, merely a damagehood where the top guns use the smaller countries to gain what they want(As shown with both croatia and turkey).

Fighter100
Fighter100 Dia 1,871, 19:14

what a great article..sums up everything. o7

It was one of the worst decision ever taken by the eIndian govt...a bitter fact and one thing led to another after that.

Plugson
Plugson Dia 1,871, 19:33

Been following the eIndia situation and have to say that this was a rather good read.

Flashgun
Flashgun Dia 1,871, 20:04

Me = Subscription 1000

Great read

Leo Balzac
Leo Balzac Dia 1,871, 20:06

another excellent article from D&T. I await the dramatic conclusion of this "Indian Affair" with baited breath.

Clarissa Olson Bear
Clarissa Olson Bear Dia 1,871, 20:16

Voted and subscribed.

ultimatewinner
ultimatewinner Dia 1,871, 20:16

I agree with you about referendum fiasco but nothing else. The way eCroatia betrayed, backstabbed & insulted eIndia it is unpardonable. eCroatia wil be kicked out from eIndia may be not now but in few months. There is no permanent friends or foes in erepublik or real politics so it does not matter who is helping eIndia. Anyone can't be worse than eCroatia who was given shelter (yes, on rent but still a shelter) by eIndia so all help is welcome. If this all insults result in babyboom in eIndia then you know what will happen to eCroatia (the main problem is this game sucks therefore we have problem in BB). Regarding Uaggs, if they are unable to digest (seems like many are unable to digest) that eIndia has moved out of GEA then if they want to move out of eIndia then no hard feelings. Though personally I was thinking that in few months couple of Uagg members will be on top of the eIndia but now it is difficult due to some comments by Uagg members.

ultimatewinner
ultimatewinner Dia 1,871, 20:18

By the way I am not seeing any Uagg members fighting against eCroatia. If they are fighting then my apologies but I have not seen in last two days.

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:25

''A pawn to be used to get at China''

so true,

i guess ur gov. didn't inform you about their negotiations with cot, do you really think croatia would act like that for no reason??
i guess for you its way better to be deleted from thailand and left without congress then be wiped from croatia.. anyway we would give back ur regions, ur gov. was looking for excuses and they found them...

about that jebikrave channel i dont even want to speak.... its shame for whole croatia but it also can be translated in two ways, that meeting was about bonuses / attack in croatian cow/cattle = krava thats also bonus and a guy who made channel claim that he didn't even know cow is holy animal, he named channel to show off we don't care about bonuses ( cow / cattle ) but who knows maybe thats just excuse

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Dia 1,871, 20:26

@ultimatewinner: your comments are exactly why we have no real friends left. And they are exactly why we will continue to be wiped for quite a while.

As for Uagg, some of us have trouble silently watching so many mistakes being made and we certainly oppose our regions being wiped.

However, I believe you are right, it will be hard to fight for me to fight for our new allies as they wipe eNations like Albania, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Norway, the Netherlands and a handful of other smaller eNations fighting for sovereignty.

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:27

and guy who actually ''translated'' channel name is serb lol

ultimatewinner
ultimatewinner Dia 1,871, 20:30

Roger > We don't need friends like eCroatia who cut same hand which help them.

Seanan
Seanan Dia 1,871, 20:34

Next you'll be telling them they just took our flag, rotated it 90 degrees and put a wheel on it.

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:36

ultimateewinner lets not forget we were paying for that ''help''

Seanan
Seanan Dia 1,871, 20:37

@ Dubron, you removed the bit where you called him a proONE/TWO.

Why you edit your statement bro? ;___;

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 20:37

uhm.. Dubrovnik, I think you're one of the last people who should say anything~ You make propaganda without any substance, thus you fail at propaganda.. please head home to the balkans where you belong now.

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:38

i don't want to start with trololol : D

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:41

hizaya wold -> Citizenship: Japan

the newest country who is gonna be pto-ed by serbs oh dear serb please get off and stop with your pto : )

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 20:45

Sad to inform you but I'm born eJapanese~ Also I've never once stated that I like serbs, i find them just as disturbing as you croats and your buddy romanians. Now croat go back to your hole in the balkans and have fun with your buddy serbia, so we in Asia don't need to see your filthy soil~

Treian
Treian Dia 1,871, 20:45

Great read, and a great article.... Keep it up!!

Regarding UAgg, we haven't exactly been treated well or welcomed here.... us having our own opinion has been frowned upon....... we're only welcomed if we do as we are told and think as we are told to think.....

Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean we're bad people.....

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:49

my answer is NO! we won't go back to balkans.. hizaya u mad???
almost in one battle i made more dmg for india then u for japan all the time rofl

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:51

ur such a big ''japanese'' little pto-er

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 20:52

Oh you will be pushed back into your hole, it's merely a matter of time. Also do try to make yourself more funny the next time you try to insult someone. Even Dio trolls have more pride than you~

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 20:59

actually where did i insult you? : ) are u trying to troll me? if u do.. u are doing it very very bad.. i hope you can do it better.. if not there is no point for me to start... and stop reapeating yourself ffs

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 21:04

I'm not trolling, merely speaking the truth. I still haven't worked out why the croats seem to be afraid of the serbs(Hiding here in Asia and destroying asian soil) even tho you're both from the same flith. Could you please enlighten me on that subject?

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,871, 21:13

ur right ur not trolling, ur trying to troll... croatia is not afraid we were fighting serbs 4years and they are nr1. power.. sometimes u need to take a breath, and balkan became booring too.. always same wars same ppl

good night 6:10 am here.. probably there too xD

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Dia 1,871, 21:14

outstanding article mal. voted

Kazami Yuuka
Kazami Yuuka Dia 1,871, 21:19

indeed it is that early up here in Norway too.. doubtfully as warm as you balkans have it but that's another case. I suppose a small nap would do good.

Ashwamedh
Ashwamedh Dia 1,871, 21:45

India opted for neutrality and I believe the MPPs are from nations willing to help us. Would that make us an alliance whore? no it makes us neutral in the truest sense. Notice, we havent actually joined an alliance at all and are trying to bolster ourselves for self defence.

Many nations do not like what transpired and to be honest, Croatia hasnt particularly made too many friends after the good diplomats were replaced by the current bunch. Why do you think EDEN is crumbling? the good people left the HQ...and took away the EDEN spirit with it.

klop123
klop123 Dia 1,871, 21:58

^Neutral is not signing MPPs with one alliance...


Good luck eIndia... seems you're going to need it

NueveOcho
NueveOcho Dia 1,871, 22:46

UAgg is free to go, they are India's cancer and we don't want them here

[04:17] Roger_Griswald: i just did 5 million against eBulgaria for eTurkey, this could be a problem in the future. I am a good friend to eTurkey
[04:17] Roger_Griswald: hmm
[04:18] Roger_Griswald: i guess the transition into CoT will not be easy and this kind of stuff is expected
[04:18] Roger_Griswald: i wonder if i can get a bunch of eIndias to fight against eBulgaria
[04:18] Roger_Griswald: like do millions of damage
[04:18] CFovetS: I just did 3.1 million
[04:18] Roger_Griswald: hmm
[04:18] Roger_Griswald: lets try to get to 20 mil
[04:19] CFovetS: total or each?
[04:19] Roger_Griswald: its well within our rights to protest our governments move this way
[04:19] Roger_Griswald: hmm interesting question
[04:19] Roger_Griswald: i was thinking total
[04:19] *** ERosenberg (cgiirc@F3BFDBA0.E327A2EF.FEA3AC9E.IP) joined
[04:19] Roger_Griswald: but maybe each would be a better illustrating
[04:19] Roger_Griswald: hey ethel
[04:19] ERosenberg: Hi Roger!
[04:19] ERosenberg: great article!
[04:20] Roger_Griswald: thanks
[04:22] ERosenberg: lol http://www.erepublik.com/en?viewPost=8495409
[04:23] Roger_Griswald:

Zinaa
Zinaa Dia 1,872, 23:05

Great read, as always
o7

Zinaa
Zinaa Dia 1,872, 01:19

I have a solution for you guys, blame everything that goes wrong in this country on UAgg & get it done with.....end of story...everyone will live happily ever after i hope.

navincharles
navincharles Dia 1,872, 02:16

UAgg has my respect... Especially Addy, CFovets and now D & T...

Initially when you guys wanted in, I felt you guys were a threat... But now I feel sorry and I feel any country is better for you guys to integrate in other than eIndia.. You guys are a great bunch.. It is clearly eIndia's loss, atleast in my opinion... All the very best to all your endeavors!!

Semper5
Semper5 Dia 1,872, 03:17

How old are you, guys? Why are you all offending each other? Why so much xenophobia? It's not about the game, it's about you as persons. So what kind of persons are you?

Hizaya Wold, do you, as a RL person, actually believes that Asians are more worthy people than the Balkanians? Many, your words are full of hatred, almost could be called a racism.

Please, cool it down all of you. This is just a computer game. We can be angry sometimes, sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, but still, its just a game. But our comments are not. Our comments are expressing what kind of people we are in the real life. And I'm very sad to see signs of xenophobia and racism.

To the author of this article: well done. I voted hard. I'm a Croat in RL, and (currently) in-game too. But I must admit there is a lot of true in everything you wrote. Yes, it hurts. But the truth hurts very often, If we are honest with ourselves.

Ethel Rosenberg
Ethel Rosenberg Dia 1,872, 03:22

Great article, as usual D&T. However, what you failed to point out is that we will be using our "key D4 unit" to fight against your new allies, plus we may indeed be taking our skills elsewhere.

We came here to be part of you and some you effectively told us we could have no part.

III Pocetnik Krivobarac III
III Pocetnik Krivobarac III Dia 1,872, 03:38

hohoohoh 5days ago u had
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2hecwzs.jpg
now u have
http://oi50.tinypic.com/2ldg9s7.jpg

don't tell me ur paying ur ''allies'' for mpp hahahahhahajhahaa

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Dia 1,872, 03:58

v

Roger Griswald
Roger Griswald Dia 1,872, 05:49

oh my god, I said that I would fight against CoT!!!!!!! How dare I actually stand up for my principals.

Also this is not news, I also said that I would and encouraged other to do so in the #india irc channel, which as you probably now is very public. Anyway I will continue to do damage, when not fighting for eIndia, against CoT!

YEY!

Mary Chan
Mary Chan Dia 1,872, 06:21

~hyuu~

Looks like new leaders need to be chosen to represent India's true voice. v/s

@Zina80: maybe it's eKarma's way of telling United Aggression to come back to Canada xP

Zinaa
Zinaa Dia 1,872, 07:00

~hyuu~

Ethel Rosenberg
Ethel Rosenberg Dia 1,872, 14:50

@Mary Chan ~hyuu~

thedoctor46
thedoctor46 Dia 1,873, 02:32

nice article....my sentiments exactly

Parijat Roy
Parijat Roy Dia 1,873, 11:58

To me eIndia took the right step. It is now time to show the lemon gets bitter when squeezed too much. They found us pretty weak and thought that we would agree to anything.

The old formula says "enemy of your enemy is your friend" eIndia applied that. It is pretty logical that eIndia being a weak nation and backstabbed would take HELP from others through alliances

eCrotia thinks everything is fair in love and war. I also believe that but it doesnt bring honor if you backstab to your friend.

 
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