Response to 5n4keys article
Day 773, 19:05
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by Sean Power
Originally a comment but I feel it's of sufficient length to merit an article of its own....
A response to this article
That's contracts between states need to be signed by all TDs however constitutions do have a major impact on erep (alliances also aren't recognised by admins and who would deny their influence on the game!) but that's a discussion for another day and away from this brilliantly subtle piece of propaganda by an e
If this was a party president election then Moo would be my man.
I fear, and it seems from his article that he views it as a positive, that if he is elected his cabinet will be chosen through the eyes of a someone fiercely loyal to his party and coalition partners.
I'm not that e-old but I remember what happens when people who try so hard to work and get a place in government are disregarded on a basis so crude as which party they belong to. He's blatently promoting being unfair in cabinet choices and disregarding meritous applicants if they are not coalition party members.
Moo seems to be reembracing deeply partisan politics which were all the rage when eIreland was a place solely for political roleplaying, to the neglect of the game mechanics and our military. But that is not the case anymore thanks to a vibrant IDF and a change in attitudes.
A President who openly states in his article that it doesn't matter how hard you're willing to work so long as you're in the "right" party will cause 100s of citizens of other political parties in Ireland to feel isolated from the political process and disconnected from the very person who is supposed to inspire and lead the country to greatness.
From such injustice will spring a hostile environment which will be detrimental to eIreland participating on the international scene and increase a miopic and self obsessed view of erepublik for many of those resident here. Again this weakens our ability to participate fruitfully in real war, should that occur in the future of eIreland.
I hope Moo you change that single policy.... coz for all those that feel they've deserved a position under the present merit system and been hard done... there are plently more who can attest to their hard work being noticed and their responsibility and status increasing when they've set aside party lines and focused on the job at hand.
Well done to you if you read the whole rant.... I don't mean any offense... just feel strongly about people being denied the ability to serve their country based purely on party politics..... I thought we'd moved on from that period of our history......nitey nite
A response to this article
That's contracts between states need to be signed by all TDs however constitutions do have a major impact on erep (alliances also aren't recognised by admins and who would deny their influence on the game!) but that's a discussion for another day and away from this brilliantly subtle piece of propaganda by an e
😜arty president of the IFP and ex-country presidency candidate for the IFP...ya know... the party that a certain candidate who's spoken of most favourably in this article is from!
If this was a party president election then Moo would be my man.
I fear, and it seems from his article that he views it as a positive, that if he is elected his cabinet will be chosen through the eyes of a someone fiercely loyal to his party and coalition partners.
I'm not that e-old but I remember what happens when people who try so hard to work and get a place in government are disregarded on a basis so crude as which party they belong to. He's blatently promoting being unfair in cabinet choices and disregarding meritous applicants if they are not coalition party members.
Moo seems to be reembracing deeply partisan politics which were all the rage when eIreland was a place solely for political roleplaying, to the neglect of the game mechanics and our military. But that is not the case anymore thanks to a vibrant IDF and a change in attitudes.
A President who openly states in his article that it doesn't matter how hard you're willing to work so long as you're in the "right" party will cause 100s of citizens of other political parties in Ireland to feel isolated from the political process and disconnected from the very person who is supposed to inspire and lead the country to greatness.
From such injustice will spring a hostile environment which will be detrimental to eIreland participating on the international scene and increase a miopic and self obsessed view of erepublik for many of those resident here. Again this weakens our ability to participate fruitfully in real war, should that occur in the future of eIreland.
I hope Moo you change that single policy.... coz for all those that feel they've deserved a position under the present merit system and been hard done... there are plently more who can attest to their hard work being noticed and their responsibility and status increasing when they've set aside party lines and focused on the job at hand.
Well done to you if you read the whole rant.... I don't mean any offense... just feel strongly about people being denied the ability to serve their country based purely on party politics..... I thought we'd moved on from that period of our history......nitey nite
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I think from talking with several people running the campaign, is that everyone in Ireland will be able to take on any of the positions, however there is a real push to get IFP and Saoirse into positions that usually have fallen to other partys in the past.
So if Moo is elected, apply for the position you want, lets be honest, anyone who doesnt want the best people is crazy!
Originally a comment but I feel it's of sufficient length to merit an article of its own....
Yeah I think you could say that. An Article, or perhaps a small book?
XD
At least your honest mate.
🙂 Well, I guess you did need an article for that one. Impressive.
Very well said, Sean. Very eloquent.
To me political opposition is about giving voters a choice and letting them choose who should represent them based on proposals. It is not being critical for party sake which I have never done. The fact is the president appoints about 12 people to key positions. Some of these positions require a great amount of experience that only a few people in the country have. If elected I would be filling these with the best possible person, regardless of party. Minister of foreign affairs is an example. Others, such as minister of immigration, need less experience or knowledge but requires people who are committed to working hard. Look through the last several cabinets and ask the questions have the positions gone to all the parties proportionally based on membership?
For months now, the IFP/saoirse members have held few and even no positions in govt, anyone who claims this to be because the other parties put forward better candidates is simply being ignorant, many ministers put forward by IV/ISD/IUP were inexperienced, unknown and new at the time of their appointment, dubhtaigh for example admitted to being inexperienced when he was given the position of Minister of finance, of all positions to give.... they give control of our finances to an inexperienced citizen (at that stage of his appointment)
Moo is not doing anything different at all from what other parties have done in the past, hes just not trying to or hide the fact that he will prioritize IFP/Saoirse members as cabinet members, Moo himself has said that there are many cabinet positions he will be seeking ministers for.
Let's be honest - for the last few months, outside of Conor Larkin, there hasn't been any IFP member active enough or capable enough to take on a cabinet position. John Gormley is the exception that proves the rule, and his month was not very active to be honest. Moomoo and Daniel Kaffe were offered roles in government on different occasions, but chose to put party ahead of country. So talking about party proportion in cabinet is irrelevant when the party in question was more busy electing two clickers than actually contributing to the country.
As for Dubhthaigh (you seem unaware he is a beta player?), and other relative noobs like Edana, einberliner, Sweet Drinker becoming cabinet ministers, not to mention many new CO's such as Kavrocks, Nephworks, Memphis etc;
They are given jobs because they have an aptitude for them, and they have shown themselves willing to do such jobs. Sweet was successfully playing the money market and running companies when he was 10 days old for crying out loud. The fact that IFP members were offered roles and turned them down is indicative. People havent been chosen on the basis of party since the old ISRP government. If you had experience in the game you'd realise they are awarded on merit.
The best example of choosing a cabinet position on the basis of party is what Starks Hayter did a few months ago when he promised the position to Eamonn De Valera of the IUP party (experienced in the role and active) but then gave it to Kiemar of the ISRP (who didnt even release an article and then went to the USA, lol). That's partisanship. Partisanship is awarding a cabinet position to someone on the basis of party when they dont deserve it. If they do deserve it, then there is no issue.
"I don't mean any offense... just feel strongly about people being denied the ability to serve their country based purely on party politics"
So when people from IFP/Saoirse apply for positions in government and are ignored whilst all the positions go to people who are from IUP, IV or ISD you don't feel people are denied their ability to serve their country based purely on party politics?
Even a co-minister position or a reply to ask them to apply for a deputy minister position to somebody in these parties to help give them the experience needed to takeover the job fully if the current minister ends up leaving I would find quite reasonable, as we have Dubh and Digits leaving now.
Being probably the most experianced IFP member, I havent been offered a position in the government, since Pattons first election, and before that... gosh, not since Nith...
I think that the best person for the job will get each job, both IFP and Sao have some very capable people which keep getting overlooked, ive lost count the number of people in these partys who pass comments on missing out on positions to relativly unknowns.
@ Kavrocks - You know I have offered you a position of responsibility. I offered John Gormley one in the Ministry of Health, which he took. Thereafter, I recommended him for the Ministry of Information post, which he took, but didnt do a whole lot. I offered both Moomoohead and Daniel Kaffe a role in the Ministry of Health and the IDF, which they both refused saying they were too busy with their party. Who else is there for a position, the IFP is a party of two-clickers. Snakeyes is always inactive except around election time, John O'Hawkney is capable but was two-clicking for the last month, Dylan is a bit of a loose cannon, the rest are two clickers. Any perceived injustice is actually a cause of the reality of your membership. The offers have been made, but turned down.
Digits yes you have which I am very grateful for and have expressed my gratitude but that was not my point.
But your point was innacurate, as they were not denied government positions because of their party, it's because they were either inactive, didn't want them, or were too busy with "party" work. People seem to confuse "party" experience with "country" experience. They are two completely seperate things.
And Snake, your record of inactivity in terms of contributions to the country is almost close to that of Igor Thunderbrow's current status.
Kavrocks said : "So when people from IFP/Saoirse apply for positions in government and are ignored whilst all the positions go to people who are from IUP, IV or ISD you don't feel people are denied their ability to serve their country based purely on party politics?"
If I had meant that I would have said that :/ I've learned from being on both winning and losing sides that denying citizens the ability to participate in government based on party allegiance is harmful.
John Gormley (IFP) has my respect and was a minister, Niall (Saoirse) was a great minister .... who was ignored?
*Dylan is a bit of a loose cannon*
I am not.
I was an unknown member of Saoirse and received not only 2 junior minister positions, but was made a CO as well. The people complaining about not having a shot are unreal. Even I know that you have been offered, and turned down many spots.
In reality, you are attempting to divide Ireland. The least patriotic thing you could do. So its not that you have a problem with a small group having power, its that you have a problem with YOUR small group not having power.
I'd rather not have a hypocrite for a president.