Money In The Government Accounts
HebronGazelle
So guys, Wayne is running for CP. Controversial. I will get straight to the point in this article. The last time Wayne had a major position of power, we witnessed over a million currency disappear from the government accounts, which only Wayne could have taken by the rules of the game as he became the dictator against the will of the people. It is pretty much accepted that Wayne stole the money (and here is a funny, less serious, article from him trying to sell the eUK). From the comments of some of the links there are suggestions that he stole money on other occasions, but I personally cannot remember them.
"You nicked over a million quid of our money and still can't provide any proof that any of it was returned - not a single BoE report lists it.
There's now around £3m kept in government orgs, almost £2m of which is private citizen investment used on the monetary market - you must think we're mad to let you anywhere near it again" - Sir Humphrey Appleby, Day 3330
We currently have a lot of money in the government accounts. Over two million is money from private citizen investment. So around another million is taxpayers money. If you have private investment in the government accounts it is probably a good time to consider whether you trust your money with someone who is known for theft, as they could gain control of the government accounts soon. If you do not have any private investment then you should think about whether the government accounts should be moved or not as a safety measure.
Thanks for reading,
CheetahCurtis
Going Back To Uni In A Few Days
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poleado
Or don't vote for him 😉
This is all Aaron's secret plan to become CP again... 😃
Shhh
zubrei4cp
I fail to see the proof for your claims that it was 'stolen'. Even the CP at the time according to your links, who disliked me, didn't even claim it as a robbery:
'However I feel he owes the Country an explanation in his own words. While I would not class the "treasury" as "stolen" as I believe Wayne will only spend it in a manner he personally feels would benefit our Country.' http://i59.tinypic.com/ipzhx2.png
I even told Huey that the money was to be moved and the reasons for moving it:
'He has then made the decision with regards to 1,082,000.00cc as he informs me to place part of it on the monetary market as an offer from the Bank of England, part is on the monetary market as an offer from his own account'.
Even the CP afterwards didn't claim it was stolen. In fact the first person to suggest it was stolen was Goku Jones and for poltical gain, you lot jumped on the suggestion. As for there being other claims of money being stolen under my watch that is complete tosh. When I was CP, we made more money then when I came to office, in fact I was the first CP to make a profit:
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mof-august-term-update-1-2422324/1/20
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mof-august-term-update-2-2424209/1/20
and again was I was made MoF I also saw us turn a profit:
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mof-we-are-euk-hear-us-baw--2489593/1/20
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mof-last-day-of-office-2494464/1/20
again, because you can not deny that I am an excellent leader of men, you try to attack my character for political gain.
Quick Sidebar : Does anyone else not find it delicious that Apples trusted source is Goku?
I admit it did make me chuckle.
My trusted source is our almost permanent MoF. If we're going by "who first called Wayne a thief" then that honour belongs to VM: http://prntscr.com/dqmfd7
Happily it appears that most of the community is now aligned against a repeat of Wayne's egomania - I think you appreciate this too given some of the new defenses being dug up
VM's comment was on Day 2692, Goku's article claiming there had been maybe a theft was 3 days before on day 2689. It is then that the 'Wayne is a tea-leaf' started to gather momentum. Which was 3 days after Huey was informed of money being moved.
So yeah, first real shouter was Goku...
Wayne consistently refused to provide any proof of legitimate spending at the time. Now, almost two years later, he's making all sorts of claims about how the cash was spent (not stolen).
The bottom line is that most people knew that he nicked the cash two years ago, and I've yet to see anything from him to suggest we were wrong.
So, if you vote for Wayne and he wins, expect money to go missing. And - at some point - no doubt we'll get a smug message from him telling us all that we know what he's like.
People saw the CO's up. Mr Knee, who is one of the eUK's sharpest tools, even gave a breakdown of what he saw happening. http://prntscr.com/dqofsj
Now it comes as no surprise to me that my 'political enemies', as that is what you see yourselves as, would be the first to jump up and down loudly proclaiming I'm a naughty boy. Some of you have made eRep careers from doing so.
but saying it was stolen is fun
http://prntscr.com/dqoeh5
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Jeebus! the MoD has appeared!
little busy on holiday
I think the claim that somehow Goku constitutes the evidence is merely a diversionary tactic. The reality is the person who made the most noise about how Wayne was withholding/keeping our money was Wayne himself. There's one such example in one of the articles CheetahCurtis has listed where Wayne responds:-
"As for the money, what wasn't spent on CO's is sitting in the Corpse MU or sat on my account. Waiting for the day when someone who does not have prior history of 'losing' money has access to it."
This also raises the question as to why Alfagrem is desperately defending Wayne?
As I recall Alfagrem had already left the scene several months before the events in question unfolded. This leaves us with 3 possible reasons.
1. You aren't fully aware of what transpired and you are showing misplaced loyalty to an old friend
2. You have returned to stir things up and create a bit of tension in the community.
3. You accept what went on but have decided to support Wayne anyway.
If it's 1 - well you've seen the response from the wider community
If it's 2 - mission accomplished
If it's 3 - ?
4 - Stacking badgers.
number 4 we'll go with, even if Horice did beat me in the CP election - bah humbug!
The wider community? A few groups I was never friendly with are still not very friendly with me. Those important to me before I left (and those that are still playing) are still talking to me, they are still cracking jokes, they have been very welcoming. As is their nature.
The only ones as far as I can tell so far that have been cold with me have been those that disliked me even before I became Dictaker.
You, yourself had no issue playing with me in Politics and War. We spent many a late night together on IRC pwning victims, while this was still an 'issue'.
Alfa has known me longer then any remaining player. He was one of my first 'friends' when I began playing. Over our vast time playing together he has trusted me many times with CC. gold, tanks and food. I could be wrong, but I would say with confidence that he has never once questioned my honesty. I see a 5th option and that is, he's looked at the 'evidence' presented and has choosen to withold judgement.
He was also on the front line during my epic term as CP, so he's knows that I can deliver...
P&W is a different game and we've had a rule which works well that we don't talk about erep and we're all on the same side in one Alliance.
Also you, like a number of others, have an advantage over me in that you have adopted an alter ego which may very well be completely different to who you are in real life - I don't know, but the point is once you take that route then the potential you have is unlimited for good or bad.
Now Adastros, who handed you the Dictatorship, despite the fact all of Congress had agreed the CP would become Dictator, did, when the dust had settled issue a full apology to Congress for his role in the affair. He then went on to play a large part in the rebuilding process and actually joined TUP and was PP and CP with my full support.
Having re-read your article for CP, it seems to be a mix of criticising everyone else, congratulating yourself for things you claim make you great and an implied threat that you intend to do similar things again to what you did last time.
Now considering your history of stating you do what you want and are answerable to no one - you can forgive us for wondering with fear as what you are you planning. What is your alternative to Orion, considering you don't seem very enthusiastic?
How about actually presenting a positive agenda for the future of eUK that people can buy into that would gain you support and people could be persuaded is good rather than short term shock and awe tactics?
The impression I get is we're going to be left to pick up the pieces of a mess again.
We are on the same side here as well Paul. We just disagree on the method taken.
I commend the fact that you are who you are in game as well as out of game. This is a fantasy world, me and others treat it as such. Do you think Chaz walks around shouting about Phil Collins and campaigning for the SEoE to be renamed in real life or Horice teaches his class him his underpants while doing Monty Python style silly walks down the hall? Of course not, they play a role, they add to the character of the community. If we all took on our real life persona you'd end up with an angry Joiner, a drunk Writer and a bored Schoolteacher. The eUK needs it's heroes and it's villains. I can play either convincingly.
I'm sure Ad did take his lashing, sure his apology was deep and heartfelt! Good or bad, that entire little episode did more for him politically then his years of being a suck up and lap dog did. He's not stupid, he knew what he was doing.
A Wayne article that lambasts people and tells them how they went wrong... *shocker* It's how I life my eLife. An implied threat to do what I did last time? Not get wiped, fight off more enemies then you can shake a stick at and fill the coffers with CC?
Whoever I am, I am because you created it. The myth of Wayne was built up in exactly the same way as the legend of DC. We'd put suggestions out there, react quickly to events, sometimes we would cause those events, sometimes not. Many of those that were around me at the time will tell you about the countless times we claimed something that had nothing to do with us and you'd all lap it up because it fitted with your narratives, ask wook, frag, Fata etc etc. The power of suggestion is a great weapon.
The mess was created by yourselves, we gave you everything, you had ever asked for. Interesting wars, excellent bonuses regional stability and major friends in each alliance. There was no pieces to pick up only chances to squander. Looking at it, you squandered the lot!
That plus I don't attach any meta meaning to the term 'Dictator'.
Admin didn't give us the chance to call it 'King', 'Regent', 'Super awesome galatic leader' - he called it a dictator and having a dictator means dictator things will happen.
When peeps are going "but that meanie Wayne stole money" all I hear is "we were too stupid and lazy to realise someone could steal the money and couldn't be arsed to protect it"
So if this time SHApples and the rest of congress actually want to pre-steal, safeguard (or whatever you want to call it) beforehand then more power to them.
Won't stop us having a good time if Wayne wins as the money we're safeguarding is a pittance compared to what we potentially have on tap anyway.
Considering Huey led WRP in supporting you when you were elected CP, I don't think it's fair to suggest he's one who didn't like you.
Many other countries have people who go out of their way to be friendly and court support, yet for some reason people in the eUK seem to purposely try and alienate people. I remember Serf spent almost his entire time in the eUK alienating people and then complained when we didn't vote for him.
I reiterate the point that you still haven't given any indication of what you would do as CP - you did the same thing the first time round by having your supporters play the anti TUP card, many of these people were probably the same ones who voted for BigAnt - I don't think anyone seriously believes there were 190 Serbs and New Era members!
Irrespective of what happened in the past, you have given no indication of what you intend to do should you be elected CP, this means we are being asked to support you blind - Something I won't be doing.
For all I know you could be intending to undo all the work of the past few months?
"We've gone from being a founder member the eWorlds most inclusive Alliance to being on the cusp of an alliance with eCanada and bloody eFrance!"
Banana Alliance was a joke - so what are you proposing now? Are you planning a different course to the one we're on? This doesn't augur well for the future if we don't know.
"but that meanie Wayne stole money" all I hear is "we were too stupid and lazy to realise someone could steal the money and couldn't be arsed to protect it""
Forgive the collective community for reacting accordingly this time round to prevent a repeat of such
But to give a full account of the above argument I will formally write up the case tomorrow afternoon.
However for the time being, on the basis of the democratic battle we both apparently accept - it would appear given every political power other than UKPP who you command are opposed to electing such a narcissist again.
Common sense dictates the whining we hear from said thieves about selective memory is about to get a reminder of the consequences of being political outcast
Well technically there's still BP.
And as I already said - I applaud your efforts to pre-safeguard or steal the money. I always encourage growth and education amongst all players.
If Huey was true to his party, then it was his members that supported me. He just got to click the button. Thats not to say that Huey did not back me as CP, I can't remember. I would have assumed he was a KJ voter. Anyway, that was CP, pretty sure I wasn't high on his list as a Dictator... which is where this story begins.
eUK has many friendly people. mick cain from RN is one of the most helpful chaps in this country. We also have big characters. Serf was two men, you had the crazy Serb, that yelled and screamed and stamped his feet, then you had the loveable little scamp who would often go above and beyond for those that hated the guy. You say Serf alienated people, yet when the country was on it's knees, he united it to defeat the PTO attempt.
Now we get to the nitty gritty bit of it all. I would like to thank you Paul, you have been the only one to question my (lack of) policies. Much like last time I was CP, I have no intention of winning so didn't even make a cabinet, let alone 'a plan'. This time round I intend to do the same and wing it again. Worked well last time, so why change a winning formula? When I ran for CP, Paul, I was in Lithuania for the campaigning, so 'my supporters' had free regin. Last time out, I made a mockery of the CP elections and the state of the political scene. https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2421831/1/20 believe me, I was more disappointed in the eUK then any of you.
Are you claiming that half of my supporters are deplorables? eUK at the time needed a change, I provided something very different, you forget that at the time, my stock was at it's highest. I think my final days in the game are clouding your judgement. Rising from a UKPP (the most hated party at the time) nobody to running the country in it's most successful era, ain't bad going. I took on the establishment and I beat them.
Banana Alliance wasn't a joke. It was a PR stunt that worked very well. eUK was a well liked country back then!
Comentado / Votado / Endorsado.
o7
Wayne is not electable as Country President - he *did* plunder the eUK Treasury whilst last in post.
He has a huge cheek in coming back here and attempting to deny everything!
I will do my best to ensure that he NEVER becomes Country President again - or ends up in a position with access to eUK National Resources.
He is not to be trusted!
Wise Certactito
If Wayne did not announce beforehand or during the alleged theft (though in reading the accounts, seems certain) of his intention, whatever they may be, to transfer a large sum of money then it is in my mind fairly suspicious to say the least.
The CP was made aware of my intentions with regards to usage of the money. He even states so in his CP article... read the comments on his article. No uproar over money going missing, look at the other articles around that time, it's the same. The only ones crying wolf then are the same guys doing it now.
I applaud the use of the word 'plunde'r but am very disappointed you did not follow it up with 'booty'
This is all so hard to decide on whos telling the truth if you werent there to see it happen.
Well you can ask our Minister of Finance, Huey George, who has been in the post almost continually since the events took place
Personally I would take his word over a proven egomaniac's
All I'm gonna say is, the people making the noise are the people that didn't like me back in the day.
Check real eUK thefts such as ChewChewShoe and BigAnt, the entire top 5 of the media was full of articles. For days, from friends and foe alike damning their actions. The only articles you'll find from my so called 'theft' are my foes asking leading questions as to whether I did steal it or not. There proof I did steal it? My trolling... my leading them on and not denying it means guilty.
If you guys don't vote AMD, then you deserve everything you get. Simple as 😛
I pulled my sausage out now and handed it to Aaron
Cheers, Zubrei is back in the race now!
Zubrei4CP
Spamicans have backed AMD and not nominated Horice!
Oh this is a sad day 🙁
seems the last bastion of serious silliness has fallen
RIP eUK
Nominating Aaron is always a silly option.
fine line between silly and stupid, Fata...
The megalomania is strong tonight.
Rolo4CP!!! Wait..that's not right... Wayne4CP!!
Wayne has already posted a screenwriter of me pointing out that at the time his MU was setting very high COs during the time - values you need either access to the treasury or a loan from Master Card or Mr Visa.
I have no idea how much of the million Wayne moved wasn't ultimately spent on COs or weapons etc at the time - what is certain that the claim Wayne stole a million from the treasury is very wide of the mark.
If you are prepared to doubt the word of our near-permanent MoF who has full reports to back his claim of this then the onus is on you to disprove it
As it stands I am infinitely more inclined to trust the man who's essentially run the Bank of England for years than the latest returning megalomaniac
My point is, whatever money is considered unaccounted for, it almost certainly isn't the value being banded about. From my own eyes at the time, Wayne was clearly spending big money on COs that almost certainly didn't come out of his own pocket.
In terms.of his ego, Wayne almost certainly would get a bigger ego boost from being the man who organised the anti-wiping of the euk than being someone who the treasury - Big Ant did a better job of that. If I could be critical of Wayne, it was the fact the COs he set could have been lower and that he "wasted" some of the funding.
From memory (and I am not someone who screenwriter every conversation) it might have been our near permanent MoF who commented in a thread at the time that Wayne only spent a fraction of what he claimed on COs on COs. Clearly our MoF saw some sort of explanation as to the spending at the time and merely disbelieve the numbers. (I have no idea of the more.detailed spending numbers suggested to comment)
Long story short, only Wayne knows for sure as to his motivation at the time and his intention. Whether or not someone believe Wayne stole it depends on if you believe Wayne's explanation as.to where the money was spent. I have no idea if any money left over after COs we're set and if Wayne should technically return a couple hundred k in funds, but the demand that he owes over a million is wrong.
Even if we take your argument as a given, a mere 100k unaccounted for it still shows Wayne cannot be trusted with the nearly £3m kept in government deposits - again forgive me if I favour the official BoE reports and the account of Huey at over £1m over random conjecture and hearsay over how he couldn't have spent 'all the money' that is still to be returned.
"but the demand that he owes over a million is wrong."
Again until I can see a modicum of evidence that can be deployed against the audits of Huey I will outrightly reject it as farce - thankfully it appears the rest of the community seems to be in agreement
Link to these BoE reports?