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CoT Alliance Referendum: Date and Details

Hari ke 1,891, 09:08 Published in Ireland Kanada oleh Brian Boru


After consultation with the Senate and Congress, the people must now decide.

The Date:
The referendum will be held on January 25th & 26th, i.e. this Friday and Saturday.

The Details:
The question to be asked is "Should Ireland join the Circle of Trust under the following terms?"

The Terms:
Ireland shall phase out all its existing alliances (Finland, Sweden, France, China, Canada, Portugal, India, Argentina).

Ireland shall phase in alliances with full Circle of Trust members (for which the Department of Foreign Affairs has a plan to ally quickly with the big three CoT members and slowly increase the MPPs over the next few months).

What about Asgard?
My government has not engaged with Asgard due to our diplomats being told in fairly straightforward terms that we would not be wanted in their alliance by key members of the Swedish government. This occurred during the last administration.

Furthermore, there were military and diplomatic concerns over the strength of Asgard as an alliance, and the implications for closer relations with the British.

However, with the entry of Canada into Asgard, as well as the attitude of certain figures within that alliance, the possibility of Ireland entering does now exist. Should the referendum on joining the Circle of Trust fail, the Asgard option remains open.



Why not have a multi-option referendum?
Such an option is flawed in that it does not deliver a clear majority in favour of any one option normally. I do not wish to bring Ireland into any alliance without a real majority at least in favour of doing so. Should this figure be reached, the result and referendum process will be debated by the Senate, and either accepted or rendered null.

Note that a 2/3 majority is required in order to join the Circle of Trust under the terms of its charter. Should a majority of people vote in favour of joining, but the result not reach the 2/3 mark, the vote will move to the Congress, which shall vote upon it, again with a requirement of a 2/3 majority as stated in the CoT Charter. Should that vote fail, Ireland will cease attempts to join.

Regulations for debate on the referendum:
1. The debate shall remain civil at all times.
2. Any excessively manipulative or malign action on public opinion is not permitted, i.e. presenting false evidence that Asgard/CoT plans to harm Ireland, etc.
3. Due respect is to be given to our current allies in the course of this debate.
4. None of the above shall restrict campaigners from making truthful statements.

Failure to comply with these rules will lead to public naming and shaming, and if serious enough, the abandonment of the referendum entirely.

The Government's Position:
Members of government shall be free entirely to campaign in favour or against as they see fit. The Government is to remain neutral on the debate, barring serious factual errors.

Conclusion:
The choice is now yours, my fellow citizens. I hope to see a large turnout for this, and a good debate.

On behalf of the Senate and People of Ireland,
Brian Boru


 

Komentar

Elite C
Elite C Hari ke 1,891, 09:39

"abandonment of the referendum entirely." < flaw. In the event someone is strongly against joining CoT is it not simple for them to fail to comply with the rules thus under the above statement cause the referendum to be abandoned?

Will there be a live debate before the referendum?

irishbhoy1967
irishbhoy1967 Hari ke 1,891, 09:40

Join

Brian Boru
Brian Boru Hari ke 1,891, 09:43

Elite C, I am capable of determining whether such an attempt is deliberate.

Furthermore, abandonment of the referendum won't lead to stalling a decision, I will simply make a decision with the Senate, and Congress will vote on it instead.

Brian Boru
Brian Boru Hari ke 1,891, 09:44

Not to mention we'd have to be talking about a serious breach to cause us to abandon the referendum.

stpolar
stpolar Hari ke 1,891, 10:01

Asgard? That sounds interesting noh?

Elite C
Elite C Hari ke 1,891, 10:02

Surely however the 'Yes' sides strongest arguement is that EDEN has not been as beneficial to Ireland as it has been to the larger countries. Accrding to the rules of the referendum that argument would breach the 2nd one.

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 10:11

ASGARD!

Are you saying this heretic government and senate of chalenged citizens are not capable to negotiate Asgard?
Or you won't?

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 10:13

And can we expect open referendum?

Names of who vote for what?

No reason to hide that...

JeSayPanachay
JeSayPanachay Hari ke 1,891, 10:38

I will vote YES

BiednyMis
BiednyMis Hari ke 1,891, 10:43

CoT o7

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Hari ke 1,891, 10:49

Asgard o/
Neutrality o/

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 10:53

Boru are you so incompetent and ignorant you need an army of non-elected "Senate" douchebags to work for you?

Can't make a single decision with your government alone?

Challenged much or simply a coward?

Domagojvu II
Domagojvu II Hari ke 1,891, 10:53

-Live debate at IRC with representitive of mofa or vMofa from some of Cot members and our mofa

-full and honest article about pros and cons about alliance

- A STATMENT from cp or govrement what will be our future behaviour for Croatia, India, BIH and Dutch.(one of most loyal friends......)

then I can vote for some alliance.

Bhane
Bhane Hari ke 1,891, 10:55

We were told that Asgard had no interest, but that was before eCanada joined them. There may be a change in their temperament. We should try to give eirish citizens a complete political picture before they vote. Contact Asgard and just confirm that door is still closed.

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Hari ke 1,891, 10:56

@ Doma, CoT will not allow us to continue relations with most of those allies, except India who is joining CoT soon.

The answer from CoT is basically, "Take what we have to offer, and give up everything you have or Keep what you have, and lose what we have to offer" No middle ground here.

MR. PADRAIG PEARSE
MR. PADRAIG PEARSE Hari ke 1,891, 11:10

Il be voting to join

Domagojvu II
Domagojvu II Hari ke 1,891, 11:10

@Raven
Yes I know but we cant ignore fact that we will must fight against some of our friends very soon

Umbra Bellator
Umbra Bellator Hari ke 1,891, 11:16

Asgard o7

Marinko Margarin
Marinko Margarin Hari ke 1,891, 11:20

who will count the votes?

BeJIuKaH
BeJIuKaH Hari ke 1,891, 11:33

I'll just add that CoT is not as bad option as some think it is : ))

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Hari ke 1,891, 11:41

My current thinking is to vote no, remain neutral for now and see how the eWorld changes in the next month. Will Asgard flourish? Will CoT and TWO drift apart?

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Hari ke 1,891, 11:51

In CoT We Trust

@Liam - How will Asgard flourish? Norway would have been smashed by the UK if not for Russian support and Canada opening an attack in Wales, Asgard would be a ridiculas choice for Ireland and ive no idea what is going through peoples minds when they say join Asgard..I honestly don't.

asecondchance
asecondchance Hari ke 1,891, 11:53

Norway wasnt smashed because they ARE IN ASGARD and Canada as an alliance member went to war to draw heat off of them...

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Hari ke 1,891, 12:02

Marcus : That's why I asked will Asgard flourish? Delay would give the chance to see if there is any evolution in the current alliances and their stances. Not too much delay, though.

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Hari ke 1,891, 12:04

Wait so the only reason Norway didn't get battered was because they were in Asgard, that correct asecondchance?

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Hari ke 1,891, 12:06

@Liam - There has been nothing said about Asgard bar Canada joining and tbh why would you say wait when a original member said they don't want us?

You want us to put our future decisions on hold for an alliance that doesn't want us?

Bhane
Bhane Hari ke 1,891, 12:25

@Marinko.

Is there a way to make the results of a google poll public? If everyone could see the list of voters and profile links along with the votes, then the results could be verified by anyone and everyone. That kind of kills any privacy of the vote, though. However, anonymous votes generally get a more honest turnout. People can be more comfortable voting their conscience when people can't look over their shoulder.

For private vote results, I'm sure we can agree on someone trustworthy to count the votes. Somebody with no skin in the game who would be neutral in their alliance preference. Maybe Irasian of the community team, or someone like that.

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Hari ke 1,891, 12:36

Marcus : No, I don't really think Asgard is an option, even if Canada nudge the Swedes towards accepting us, but I'd like time to see if CoT and TWO start to drift apart & if Asgard can sort themselves out.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Hari ke 1,891, 13:05

I think it's 66%+1. I'm glad to see a referendum rather than a congress vote. Good work Brian, I hope the debate is civil and constructive. Not my call to judge but good luck..

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 13:15

irasian neutral?
bhane please....

too many "trustworthy" people has failed this country.

I trust my eyes only....

"However, anonymous votes generally get a more honest turnout. "
Bhane...this kind of thinking support cliques and massive cowardness in this country.

Are you saying we should be affraid and ashame of our free will?

Bhane you talk about improvement of ireland......how can Ireland be improve with cowards?

OPEN REFERENDUM!
ALL NAMES, ALL VOTES VISIBLE!

"TRUSTWORTHY" VOTES COUNTERS GO FK YOURSELFS!

Bhane
Bhane Hari ke 1,891, 14:16

Who would you trust as a neutral vote counter, Vik? As I said "or someone like that". If Irasian is no good, then who? I would be totally comfortable with a public vote, too. But, I can't speak for others.

People in public votes generally cast with their "clique" because of peer pressure. Even if they disagree, they do not want to ostracize themselves by disagreeing with friends. That is why I talked about a private vote.

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 14:30

Like i said i trust my eyes only.

I prefer that then let someone "trustworthy" to count votes.

For long time i thought Sweet is the most honest human here.
For long time i thought moo and castaneda are the most honorable humans here.

Not that i was wrong they turned out to be a total oposite.

Wrong counters can forge all votes...clique only to some degree....

If we have open referendum with name connected to a vote at least we will see who has independent mind and who is coward slime....

Sean MacDiarmata
Sean MacDiarmata Hari ke 1,891, 14:36

Russia look like their are joining CoT - Russia might be joining CoT aswell - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-2199430/1/20

We can also allow the public to see only who voted, blacken out the vote they chose but show who voted so we know no multies voted in it to sway the votes.

The Irish William Wallace
The Irish William Wallace Hari ke 1,891, 15:15

V

Marinko Margarin
Marinko Margarin Hari ke 1,891, 15:27

@Bhane I agree with Irasian+CP+ Seanan for sure... but I'm pretty much scared that results are already on

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Hari ke 1,891, 15:39

I've got no problem with people seeing my vote and I don't see why anyone else would have, though only after the referendum closes, otherwise it could influence voting.

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 15:59

What Liam said......
After voting show it to us.
Marinko stop talking crao.
Irasian+cp+seanan....irasian just like seanan is far from neutral..both ibhoy's puppets.
cp?
what bloody cp?
he is not able to run this country without 50 advisers....having his ministers and their deputies is not enough for him..he needs some "senate" crap to "advise" him how to use toilet.

and you what him to count votes? maybe if senate of challenged helps him....

Brian Boru
Brian Boru Hari ke 1,891, 16:00

Viktor, nothing would please me more than ruling as a dictator.
I've done it twice before as it stands.

But that isn't the path to good government, nor a more civilised political scene.

Brian Boru
Brian Boru Hari ke 1,891, 16:01

Note that if we join Asgard, it won't be this term.

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Hari ke 1,891, 19:01

so boru from dictator to puppet.

you just make sure we have an open referendum.
name connected to a vote.

everythig else will prove it a scamm

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Hari ke 1,891, 19:48

it's sad but if i'm to be honest, I also would like for this referendum to have as much solid evidence behind each vote. Nothing against you BB, but there are some people in this ecountry that even if 99% voted against their view, they'd claim 99% were morons and do as they want.

moomoohead
moomoohead Hari ke 1,891, 20:53

good job BB, hope we join.

MikiST
MikiST Hari ke 1,892, 01:03

Can someone explain me what CoT offer us beside MPPs?
Where does that possible membership put us in relation to our former allies(EDEN/Asgard)?
In relation to our former enemies(TWO)?
In relation to the neutral country?
And what will be Ireland reaction if the CoT start to bully a small neutral country?

Uljanov
Uljanov Hari ke 1,892, 01:24

I would really like to part of a good alliance but i would hate to turn against some or our good friends like Argentina or Croatia..

I would like us to be neutral on this issue..

I will always fight for Bulgaria and our friends..

Brian Boru
Brian Boru Hari ke 1,892, 02:07

Viktor, I'm not a puppet.
I set the agenda for the Senate, and it has no binding powers beyond the moral weight of its membership

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Hari ke 1,892, 03:01

CoT and TWO are the two strongest alliances with EDEN in disarray. They are currently friendly towards one another which may be an issue for anyone with long-term designs against UK This may change over time. As for attacks against small neutral countries, I expect a lot of people in Ireland would be less than happy and some MUs would revolt. All my opinion, of course.

Dogen Boole
Dogen Boole Hari ke 1,892, 06:00

Oi lads, I say we should join Asgard matelads. They are much better than those bloody CoT cunts. Lads.
Regards: Paul David Hewson.

asecondchance
asecondchance Hari ke 1,892, 06:09

We are already taxed beyond repair and poor... not sure how we afford all of the mpp's needed to get into this in the first place. Secondly the first time we are asked to fight Canada, Croatia or any other long standing ally I will be the first of many I am sure to leave eIreland.

irishbhoy1967
irishbhoy1967 Hari ke 1,892, 06:18

Small neutral countries get attacked no matter what alliance you are in. Ireland's most powerful neighbour has just joined CoT(maybe) so hopefully one of the "small neutral countries" getting raped in future isn't us.

If you decide not to join CoT, then that will be 2 alliances Ireland has shunned in recent months, with a third one shunning Ireland. That's p much every relevant country in the world. If Ireland doesn't make a decisive move soon then it's rapid slide into irrelevance will continue to a point where there is no coming back from.

Shunning CoT would leave 2 options,

- Staying neutral and shit
- Begging Asgard to let us join

asecondchance
asecondchance Hari ke 1,892, 06:34

iboy1967 what am i missing... isnt this the same person: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/plunder-this-already-did-updated--2102704/1/20 who bragged about ruining eireland at one point? Why do you have any input into our future when you were clear that you tried to already ruin our future before?

 
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