[CP][Canada] How's It Gonna End?
Gnilraps
How's It Gonna End? (Mandatory Listening)
Day 2352 of the New World
April 29, 2014
First, read this article published by the "Governor" of Canada (and MDP member): My Terms for Peace
Then, read this article published by the leading voice (and CP candidate) from the only other viable Party in Canada: [DMV4CP] The Holy War
I felt it my duty to address the American people, partially in response to these two opinions, and partially so that the general public would understand where we are in our relations with the snow-lovers to our North.
Summarizing the first linked article, the Canadian "Governer" (and senior member of Rylde's Party) has suggested an accord be reached that permits the following:
1 - Canada will not renew an MPP with Serbia that they cannot afford to renew anyway.
2 - Canada will admit it is partially at fault for this war.
3 - Canada will take Alaska in exchange for Quebec and one other (food bonus) region. Canada will also be paid the tax revenue difference resulting in this 2/1 colonization plan (i.e. US will pay Canada).
4 - Canada will remain in its pro-Serbian alliance and promise not to sponsor any RW's in the two American-held regions.
I trust that any other mindful reader will see that I have summarized Muglak's 4 points fairly.
What Muglak has suggested is little more than a rental agreement between nations. As President of USA, I cannot entertain this suggestion as it would truly insult the efforts of the many fine citizens who have clicked so furiously in support of our colonization of the north.
In order to approach concord with USA, Canada is going to have to come to better terms with its defeat. It is not in a position to argue for remaining in a pro-Serbian alliance. It is not in a position to argue for obtaining any American soil. It is not in a position to argue for receiving a stipend for our colonization of our northern territories. Canada is, quite factually, not in any actual position at all.
LETO offered a modicum of support during Canada's last push to win back a Congress. This should remind all Americans that there is great value to holding them down. LETO is NOT our friend, and whatever they are interested in propping up, we ought to be interested in tearing down.
Now turning our eye to the campaign article of DMV, there is a little less to actually sink our teeth into.
However, in his opening paragraph, DMV accurately suggests that Canada has established itself with a lengthening history of FA screwups. It is a point which practically argues for itself, as Canada has now suffered its second straight term without a Congress due almost entirely to its disastrous handling of its former Bro - USA.
DMV also recommends that what Canada needs is confidence, competence, follow-through, and respectfulness. I couldn't agree more.
Unfortunately, much of the remainder of his article is political rhetoric, so it is difficult to cull tangible policy. But I will respond to what I think he is asserting as his idea of a foreign policy should he be elected.
1 - No surrender.
2 - Grass roots military funding.
3 - Appeals to LETO for additional support.
4 - Continued Resistance Wars.
From my perspective, DMV is offering Canada exactly what USA wants Canada to have. To wit:
1 - USA prefers a policy of holding the northern colonies.
2 - USA benefits from a policy which bleeds average Canadians of their currency in support of largely unwinnable Resistance Wars.
3 - Draining LETO damage away from (quite frankly more important) battles in the European theater of operations is a wonderful bee in Serbia's bonnet.
4 - Resistance Wars = True Patriot gold for both Americans and Canadians alike, and there are more of the former than there are of the latter. USA benefits.
So I welcome the prospect of a DMV Presidency in Canada. It should mean another lovely month of war. I am only sorry I won't be sticking around for a 3rd term to personally lead in battle. However, I am sure we will be in good hands in this respect.
So fight on America. Enjoy the spoils of war: Fun Media + trolling, True Patriot Gold + other military rewards, greater international relevance + bolstered National damage statistics, Camaraderie + Purpose, and all the snow you can ski on right in your very own back yard.
And yes, all Canadian women now belong to us.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled clicking
Comments
Canada
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2395752/1/20
How's It Gonna End?
My guess is when every Canadian player finally dies of laughing so hard at you and your complete failure of an occupation, which you continue to try and paint as "all part of the plan". Entertaining as hell though.
/reaches for american popcorn with the supersized butter
It's OK by me if you'd prefer if I regard our occupation of Canada as "accidental".
Whatever floats your boat.
they cannot afford a boat
Spain held Canada for nine months. You've had it for two and like a true American, you declare victory when the war has just started. Over confident, complete lack of knowledge regarding your enemy, relaying on brute size verses tactics to win. Canada has exposed all your weaknesses, which is why they keep tying you up in RWs while your allies wonder where you are and why you aren't contributing. What a deal that Canada can grab and hold so much USA focus. They come out heroes while the USA looks like bullies.
Keep thumping that Serb MP though. Everyone likes a fairy tale. It's not like the USA ever diversified their alliances at the expense of others (like the continuous USA-Spain friendship).
I practically never agree with Foxfire. I will make an exception for this comment.
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Well for me. FU eUSA.
Sad.
Hey SGTRock, you still alive I see.
ST6, such a long time ago, lot has happened,watching the battles and see former fellow fighters pitted against each other.
Yea, It's still good to see them. No matter what side the fence you're on.
I love you, hefe! RAWR!
Voted. I've already expressed my sentiment that we have no reason to let them back on the map right now. If they give us a reason, then my opinion would probably change, but all I'm hearing right now is rhetoric.
10/10
Actually we are great position for you guys to waste damage and hundreds of thousands of cc on us instead of Sirius (which has done little in terms of an alliance other than wiping Canada and Poland doing the little work)
It looks to me like Sirius needs USA's damage more than LETO needs Canada's damage.
~_^
Nice attempt at a troll. The only time we expend much effort against Canadian RW is when Serbia is forced to support it. And I am positive that your side is expending more CC irt Canada.
Thanks for the recognition 😉
Nope I can assure you we are spending quite a bit less. The number of times I've seen an American CO offering 50cc/mil for 25k cc drain down to nothing... Either way pointless spending on both sides.
I can assure you that you are not.
But I do support increased spending while we cleanse the foul sand from our border.
If you think we spend more than that, then you really do believe the (e)propaganda about us invading if we had the chance (and money?)
'We' includes eSerbia. So . . . yes.
LOL
Serbia is not the reason. If it was you Americans would have invaded RoC and Colombia, but in both cases they are untouched and you even have a NAP with one of them. Therefore, it seems what you are in is really a really expensive rental agreement.
Thanks for the debate, I enjoyed it 😉
I am glad you did. But you remain incorrect. It is not all about but it is somewhat about serbia.
I never understood this logical fallacy of 'draining damage'. Both sides are doing significant damage - and if Canada is winning it's actually draining more damage from LETO/ASTERIA than the US is from Sirius.
Besides, it's true that the only times we really deal a lot of damage in Canada is when LETO is RWing it or COs are used to get merchs.
Besides, Canada is part of LETO - keeping it occupied is already helping against Asteria since LETO is a subsidary alliance of Asteria.
You can say the same thing about pretty much any country in the game.
Croatian damage being drained in India.
Albanian/Bosnian damage being drained in Abhu Dhabi
Poland damage being drained in Germany
Chile damage being drained in France and Italy
Turkey damage being drained in Saudi Arabia and Iran
Hell, these are just on the top of my head - I didn't even need to check the map. I'm sure if you check Asteria, you'll find the same things with Argentina and Brazil 'draining' damage from the European theatre, or Greece getting its damage drained in Egypt and Saudi Arabia...
Point is, this 'draining' damage is weak - every country is attacking someone else and 'drains' damage.
Besides, there are many benefits for the US and Sirius in general from occupying Canada:
1. Denying you resources/bonuses - You get less bonuses, less tanks and thus it makes you and LETO(since you're part of it) ultimately weaker.
2. GETTING bonuses - We GET bonuses and thus our production is higher, our economy is better and we get to become more powerful due time(which makes Sirius stronger, since we're part of Sirius. And if you check the damages - we actually do a lot of damage for our allies, I almost always have non-US soil command orders)
3 + 4. We deny you MONEY - We get roughly 240 gold from Canada monthly and deny you 240 gold per month.
We also get to OCCUPY you, which is part of the point in this game - to win against another nation.
When we win a RW 65% - 35%, we wasted a bunch of damage that could have gone to our alliance.
And by "waste" I mean we only need to win 55%-45%, a comfortable margin. going over that means spending damage we didn't have to in order to win the battle.
-second part-
It's completely true that both countries use vast amounts of CO on this war, and it's taking a lot of gold.
But you're forgetting one thing; openning RWs is pretty costly. it's 10,000CC which is a pretty high amount, considering the fact that you open multiple resistance wars.
And I didn't even get to the part where you don't get to have congress(I guess we can account this gold as well, as you lose congress members), when you look at all those benefits that we get from Canada, the fact that you drain more damage from US becomes almost completely insignificant.
Let's just face it, all the facts point towards it - Canada has lost and got defeated, and its 'peace terms' should be terms of defeat.
When the US lost to Poland and got occupied - the US paid 1,000,000 CC!! As a 'defeated term', and it wasn't the only term as well.
Obviously, the war scale is much smaller, but you realize that Canada is defeated and is obviously in a bad position. Keep on, drain damage, we'll just enjoy having congress, taking your taxes, draining LETO damage and your money, gaining bonuses and keeping you occupied while getting stronger and more advanced - as long as you tell yourselves that you're draining some of our damage without taking a toll on Serbian/Romanian MUs or using up cc or using LETO mobile army forces.
I think the latter would be better for both countries.
> "3 - Draining LETO damage away from (quite frankly more important) battles in the European theater of operations is a wonderful bee in Serbia's bonnet."
So if Canada is requesting support, it's damage wasting. But if we spend our damage on pointless RWs in order to gain TP gold (cf. point 4), then that's ... what?
Oh, rite. "USA benefits."
For one second, I thought we're interested in helping allies. My bad. ;_;
I'll reply instead 🙂
"regular trolling" comment - two months is a pretty long time, I changed my opinion on many people according to their actions in two months. The more you know.
"Yes. obviously. Any nation fights harder for themselves, in NE battles with 10% influence especially"
True, no argument.
"What are those 'damage rankings' you're talking about? And yes, this is a serious question. Link them please"
Not sure if actually a serious question... but I'll reply just for the heck of it..
erepublik.com/en/main/leaderboards-damage/
"By sucking up what would otherwise be Serbian support damage"
First of all in regarding to that picture - it's completely ridicilous you're trying to use it as an argument since I'm pretty sure Canada had DOs set on US instead of pro-LETO/ASTERIA battles. And even if it didn't - it means that Canada wasn't trying hard in the battle.
Since the 'battle orders' is just 25 kills - most people that actually try to deal damage, deal it where needed - not when the wall in 90% in our favor.
That's why there's priority - the USA was simply putting itself in top priority, especially when other countries don't have RWs and such, which is completely fine as well, giving this one example isn't really going to help you.
"COs in unneccesary battles attract ally damage..."
True, same with you.
You seem to forget you're in LETO, you ARE the enemy, and we
-Get your bonuses
-Get your taxes
-Deny you congress and overall weaken you - we ARE helping by fighting Canada simply because its damage would've otherwise gone in Europe. Simple, isn't it? Besides, roughly every other country has its occupied territories(Chile-France/Italy, Croatia-India, Poland-Germany/Austria, Turkey-Iran/Saudi Arabia, should I continue?)
Why exactly is the US a 'special case'?
Lastly, it's true that the US overkills battles, but EVERY battle overkills when there's an obvious winner - the fact is - we're keeping an enemy state down.
Ischelle, n0s3 fights for Murica, he's not the enemy no.
Glad to see there's someone interested in a serious discussion.
> "two months is a pretty long time, I changed my opinion on many people according to their actions in two months"
Yup, I can understand that. With the difference that "Your analyses and forecasting are unmatched among our leadership" is an objective assessment on my abilities - and that shouldn't change. Even if someone trolls, does that affect his abilities in regards to "analyses and forecasting"? I don't think so. gnil just publicly denounces me as a troll since I take an opposing stance. (Which is quite hilarious, given I even helped him the first half of his first term.)
If I was just a troll and talking trash, he certainly wouldn't have any problems proving me wrong. But apparently he does.
> "Not sure if actually a serious question..."
Yes and no. The mere purpose of this question was to get gnil out of his shell, which unfortunately didn't work (probably because there are still 15 left). The actual clue lies within the follow-up question: How's the damage ranking of use to any of our allies or even to ourselves?
Since gnil seems to like it, I'll put it in (not so) fictitious figures:
USA is ranked #60 in the damage ranking. Mexico has two regions. (USA doesn't have own battles, thus they help Mexico against Colombia.)
USA is ranked #1 in the damage ranking. Mexico is wiped. (USA wastes damage on Canada, Mexico is wiped by Colombia.)
I don't see how that's useful to anyone but Asteria/LETO. (I'm obviously exaggerating a bit, but you certainly get the point: damage rankings just look nice. That's it. They don't have any actual value.)
1/2.
> "First of all in regarding to that picture - it's completely ridicilous you're trying to use it as an argument since I'm pretty sure Canada had DOs set on US instead of pro-LETO/ASTERIA battles."
These are the battles shown in the picture:
BC: http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/51009
Vojvodina: http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/50984
It's flying in the face of reason to claim that we actually needed our orders to be on BC since we took it in stride.
> "Since the 'battle orders' is just 25 kills"
Not sure what battle orders you're talking about. Whenever I use that term, I refer to the NSC's orders available on IRC via @home. I'm not referring to DOs.
> "most people that actually try to deal damage, deal it where needed - not when the wall in 90% in our favor"
Such as http://abload.de/img/snippet1294uzat.png ? Vojvodina was just at a very critical point at that time.
> "That's why there's priority - the USA was simply putting itself in top priority"
Be clear about this in the entire discussion please: I'm NOT saying the USA isn't or shouldn't be allowed to wage war against someone. The USA has the right to go to war - just as well as anyone else. I'm criticizing the way we're waging this war and how our entire military stuff w/r/t orders is handled.
> "especially when other countries don't have RWs and such"
http://abload.de/img/snippet114wwpz2.png - if almost all countries of Sirius and Asteria have set their CotDs on Vojvodina, do you not think that battle might be somewhat important? Seriously. Croatia was attacking a Serbian core and about to get beaten; meanwhile, we're overkilling a battle against Canada, leading with 40:15 and 80% walls. Do you really think that our damage shouldn't have been spent on Vojvodina rather than on BC?
2/3.
> "True, same with you."
Not entirely. People fight for Canada in their RWs anyway since it gets them Freedom Fighter medals.
Also, Canada sets 10cc COs mostly, whereas our COs are rather 20/25cc - the latest I've seen was even 40cc, I believe. Don't quote me on the 40cc one, though; but I believe you get my point: higher COs attract more damage. Our CO /are/ higher.
> "You seem to forget you're in LETO"
Probably because I'm not. I'm not the enemy either, nor do I (want to) harm this country.
> "-Get your taxes"
The USA got roughly 11,353cc in the last week by occupying Canada. Considering there's a CO with a budget >10k cc on almost every Canadian RW that pops up, that doesn't seem too worthwhile. Can't tell how much the bonuses impact our revenues, I'd need to ask Evry about it. But since a NAP (which is what I'm in favor of) would get us those resources as well, the bonuses aren't even at issue.
> "we ARE helping by fighting Canada simply because its damage would've otherwise gone in Europe"
Again, that's just wrong. "Any nation fights harder for themselves, in NE battles with 10% influence especially" - we agreed on that. Now imagine USA attacks Canada, both get NE influence. Result: http://abload.de/img/snippet1294uzat.png
Where's the damage that would have gone to Europe instead? NE battles drain our OWN damage rather than Canada's since we are simply more people.
> "Besides, roughly every other country has its occupied territories"
As mentioned above, please be aware: I'm not saying the USA has no right to wage war or to occupy anyone. What I'm criticizing is the way it's done. A NAP would get us way more out of this occupation.
3/4.
> "Chile-France/Italy, Croatia-India, Poland-Germany/Austria, Turkey-Iran/Saudi Arabia, should I continue?"
Chile doesn't face any resistance in France, Italy is a friendly nation and tolerates Chile partially occupying them; Croatia and India have an agreement; Poland and Germany have an agreement, Austria isn't occupied by Poland; Turkey has their problems every so often but doesn't neglect allies for their own good. And yes, please continue.
> "Why exactly is the US a 'special case'?"
Because of the way this administration is handling its military affairs. Imagine we had a NAP with Canada that doesn't allow them to NE us and vice versa and moreover gets us iron and deer. Wouldn't that be way better? There wouldn't be dozens of RWs draining our damage, we wouldn't have to set COs all the time, etc. pp.
> "Lastly, it's true that the US overkills battles, but EVERY battle overkills when there's an obvious winner"
So because Canada is obviously weaker, wasting damage on 80% walls instead of helping Croatia and Poland beating Serbia is the right thing to do?
4/4.
I'll reply to you one time on this, then you may resume your regular trolling again.
USA unquestionably fights harder for battles involving... wait for it... USA.
When we don't have any USA battles to fight, we drop in international damage rankings. When we DO have USA battles to fight, we rise in international damage rankings.
So yes. By sucking up what would otherwise be Serbian support damage into battles where we are putting in GREATER damage than we ordinarily would, we are making best use of our national damage resources.
To put it into (fictitious) figures:
USA does 10 Million damage in a given Euro battle. This "sucks up" 10 million enemy damage.
USA does 13 Million damage in a USA battle. This "sucks up" closer to 13 million enemy damage.
Hopefully you can now return to your butthurt with one fewer hemorhoid.
> "I'll reply to you one time on this, then you may resume your regular trolling again."
Interesting. Two months ago: "Your analyses and forecasting are unmatched among our leadership" (gnilraps to n0s3), suddenly "regular trolling". I like how you don't have an own opinion.
> "USA unquestionably fights harder for battles involving... wait for it... USA."
Yes, obviously. Any nation fights harder for themselves, in NE battles with +10% influence especially.
> "When we don't have any USA battles to fight, we drop in international damage rankings. When we DO have USA battles to fight, we rise in international damage rankings."
What are those "damage rankings" you're talking about? And yes, this is a serious question. Link them please.
> "By sucking up what would otherwise be Serbian support damage"
You can use that excuse as often as you want, it's still wrong. When CotDs look like this: http://abload.de/img/snippet114wwpz2.png - you can hardly say your draining Serbian damage. Try again.
Plus: COs in unnecessary battles attract ALLIED damage away from battles where that very damage is NEEDED.
> "we are making best use of our national damage resources"
Nope. Making best use would be to sign a NAP and stop this damage wasting. In other words, come off your high horse and negotiate.
> "USA does 13 Million damage in a USA battle. This "sucks up" closer to 13 million enemy damage."
This would be correct IF we assume Canada/Serbia puts exactly as much damage into the respective battles. If USA is having 80% walls, that's hardly the case.
Thanks.
The fact that you can't prove me wrong and don't even bother trying reveals more about you than any reply could ever have.
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I only have one of my training centers upgraded. I need gold, n0s3y. 🙁
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lolol less-than-three
I meant I needed more TP gold. 😉
Voted. I've been missing the Tom Waits anyway. I'm glad you've written to us. Stick to our guns Mr. President. ✯✯✯ Feel the AMPS! ✯✯✯
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Silly Kanadians
NEEDS MORE GREELING!!!
Ah, heck! Everyone should just move to Minesootah and buy a wood chipper.
CURRAHEE!
Gnilraps4CP3peat...
Voted. o7
Lol, you made basic assumptions about my plan that could not be further from reality.
Also, thanks for all the free subs America.
All my comments about your article were taken directly from things you said in your article.
I gather other interpretations could be possible, but mine is hardly farfetched.