Why I Beleive the INCI aren't PTOers: Glove Hits the Nail on the Head
Satya Yuga
From the comments in my last article Don't Let Roleplay Hobble your Gameplay: My Views on the "INCI Situation" where I state😛
This statement [The INCI have shown a distinct ability to attempt to PTO as many congressional seats as they can for themselves.] is made as if the carving up of regions by Party Presidents in some smoke-filled IRC channel somewhere has legitimacy. That it is okay for Snipers to guarantee that Candidates chosen by these Party Presidents and not by "the people" are the ones elected to Congress to justify the end result of the best Congress possible. In my view, all this has done is guarantee that the same members hold office with insufficient new player learning how to be Congressman and insufficient new ideas being considered in Congressional forums.
The only ones who have the right to determine how many people the ccc INCI ccc, or any other party, have in Congress are the voters themselves. It also didn't help things that the FEC Public Worksheet doesn't list which of any of the "Top 5" party candidates were supposed to be Blockers and who the FEC Blockers were. Without this information, how was the voter to know who NOT to vote for? It isn't like the FEC is requiring Blockers, even their own, to use Blocker Avatars as requested.
and from the comments in other articles, where the belief still exists that the INCI are PTOers and not to be trusted as they broke their promise by taking more than the 10 Congressional Seats guaranteed by the other "Top 5" Party Presidents, I wanted to direct people to Glove's latest article We Can Never Forget where he states:
On congressional election day, the INCI took a strong lead during the day. This is important to understand, during our day was when most of INCI had already voted, for them it was like the race was already decided and finalized. When many of us got home during our prime time, which is essentially opposite of INCI’s primetime, fear and anger took over. Many Americans asked “how could we let them take our country?” Then the government intervened and prevented the INCI from taking a majority. INCI ended up with 14 congressman instead of the 10 congressman guaranteed by the US government. I know that Harrison, the appointed INCI envoy, claims that he asked INCI to abide by the government’s request. Whether or not INCI planned to take a majority is questionable, they did have a large majority for a while, but to what extent did the INCI leadership influence this? Honestly, I don’t think it was intentional. I think a lot of the INCI members were simply rogue 2-clickers, as evident with the case of Halfie’s support on election day. As you may know, Halfie is an excellent troll, he joined INCI because he felt like it and got a whopping 30 votes. Why would INCI direct voters to Halfie? They wouldn’t, he was simply in INCI’s party and this likely caused many INCI to vote for him. His mere party affiliation, not any order from the INCI leadership, allowed him to garner so much support.
This is similar to the trend we see during election-days with the USWP. Although there are some prominent Americans in the USWP, many new USWP players still manage to win elections against more renown citizens just by sheer party affiliation. USWP “zombies” as the party calls them, see the USWP party under the candidate’s name and vote for him/her accordingly. I think we saw the same thing happen for INCI on the last Congressional elections. If INCI intention was to PTO the country, why then, I ask, did the INCI not wait until just before server reset to direct all their members to vote? This is a more convenient time for them than us anyways, as its about the middle of the day and isn't much a problem, had they done this we would have next to no non-inci congressman in office right now.
If somebody who is as full of Love as Glove is can understand this, why can't you all?
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First denied! It wasn't hard (until I saw the babe above).
Hmm look at any of Glove articles the comment sections are filled with INCI's their for him!
You ever think he's being nice to them so he can et their votes. They hold a large voting percentage in this country easily getting him CP position.
Voted. I'm somewhere in the middle ground.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/post-war-predictions-1698473/1/20
Glove is Love
They ll never understand because they dont want. it s obvious. This inci situation will raise their votes for next election and their fames.So they re using it. Nevermind dude. Most of Elitist sucks.
They decleared today that we(inci) re all enemies. Anyways until someone tell us `hey we did sths wrong but you did either. cmon lets talk again` I ll be farming, laughing and trollin with bilav.i dont care anymore Hawai California etc.
`Glove is Love`
btw nice bikini
If Glove is love
Then locks must mean glocks
And socks must mean smocks
And rocks must mean frocks
So now pull your glocks
Out of your smocks
And put down your
Socks, rocks and locks
Because if Glove is love
Then love must mean live
And live is evil
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"Without this information, how was the voter to know "
can you even grasp what that statement implies, that the political and newspaper part of this game, not to mention the other two games eUS Forums and IRC, are played by players who do not give any thought to anything but lusting of experience points in the military aspect. If you were to actually write an article on how things do work maybe the eUS would be a better place, I have to ask do you want it to be better or do you enjoy what happened to eRussia happening here?
@George Pumpkinette: I believe I just explained how things work in Congressional elections, AND THE ETHICS OF IT, here and in my last article. The Party Presidents do their best to make sure that the winners are predetermined, taking away the right of the individual player to cast a meaningful vote for those who are not Blockers. What didn't you understand?
You speak of intentions. I do not believe you know their intentions at all.
And, even if you take into account that it MIGHT have been a mistake that in the middle of the day they held 60% of the congressional seats, it just goes to show that for how strong INCI is, they cannot control their people, and their people have different ideas of how this should work.
Secondly, their prime reasoning for doing what they did was so that they could CHANGE FOREIGN POLICY when it comes to Turkey. They are visitors. They came here with the understanding that they would feed and fight their babies and could use our resources to do so. They have no business trying to alter our foreign policy, nevermind try to make us choose Turkey over an ally that has been there for us many many time in Greece.
If people want to be blind and appease them to make themselves feel better, fine. But don't stray from the facts.
@John Jay: As eUSA Citizens, they are no longer visitors and deserve the equal right to lobby for foreign policy issues as any other eUSA citizen. According to PANAM, Turkey is an ally and once the MPP with Greece expires, an MPP with Turkey is expected to be approved. As allies, it is only ethical for us to help them get their original regions back, whether voluntarily given back by Greece or through rebellion.
You are saying they should control their people. That way lies giving up the right of the individual voter to weigh the issues and make their own decisions. Maybe you are satisfied with being a slave to the will of the "Top 5" Party Presidents. I know I'm not. Molon labe!
"What didn't you understand?" that you are closed minded and will not bother thinking when given an opportunity to, you stated players have to be told were to vote, why wouldn't you want a citizenry that was informed, not convenient for your aims?
and smut sucks, did you get permission to publish that image?
I'll vote this because I agree with it. The paranoid reaction to the presence of a coordinated group of non-native English speakers says more about the USA citizens than about the iNCi.
It's mostly about power, after all, who has it, who doesn't and who wants it.
'As allies, it is only ethical for us to help them get their original regions back, whether voluntarily given back by Greece or through rebellion.'
America would be more than willing to help get their regions back. However, if they are now American citizens, why do they care. I suggested they free their Motherland and return home, they made it clear they would not be leaving.
Glove is Love
Indeed
Man Bruce, you brought all the fanatics out to the yard, didn't ya? I agree with your sentiments Bruce. Anyone who would say that Glove is trying to benefit from iNCi is a fool, because Glove was the first to see their enthusiasm and encourage that. Glove may as well be some minor deity to iNCi, and for good reason. He showed a bunch of small little owls how to fly, and fly they have. If he benefits from that, then I wouldn't blame him in the slightest bit. In fact, I'd be happy for him. He played the game, and won hearts and minds. Geez, sounds like a President to me.
@George Pumpkinette: I don't believe the players HAVE to be told where to vote. I stated that if the "Top 5" Party Presidents wanted to make sure that players didn't vote for Blockers -- which supposedly INCI had 40 of, as the story is that they were only suppose to win 10 seats -- then the voters should have been given access to an FEC Public Worksheet that let them know who all the Blockers were so they could make an informed decision as to who to vote for.
As far as Smut goes, is posting babes in bikinis something new to eRepublik?
I'm done with them. They're disruptive, crying PTOers.
Believe what you want.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/USA/law/68844
http://www.erepublik.com/en/USA/law/68846
Totally legit
@s0beit: It looks like, from the choice of the debate area of http://www.erepublik.com/en/USA/law/68846, that these are in protest to the insult from that one troll in the forum towards Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
Regarding the Original Article, I find their opinions unreasonable, as I believe Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, as he fought for their freedom, would also, That freedom, which promptly disappeared when the Turkish Government passed legislation limiting their freedom of speech. While they may be disruptive and unreasonable in this area, it doesn't make them PTOers.
I clearly have had a different relationship. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/official-tc-article-re-inci-1701214/1/20