Zmedena diplomacija / Confused diplomacy [SLO/EN]
SmoothZiga
Zadnje čase ob prebiranju vladnih časopisov in časopisov vladnega osebja dobivam občutek, da se Slovenija obrača tak kot piha veter, ko se govori kateremu zavezništvu naj se pridružimo, kdo so naši prijatelji in kdo so naši sovražniki. Neprestano dobivamo različne informacije kakšni so naši odnosi z določenimi državami in zavezništvi. Prvo je rečeno, da Slovenija nebo predala Švicarske iron regije Madžarski in kompliciramo odnose z to državo, razmišljamo o odhodu v ABC ali ustvarjanju zavezništva z Nemčijo, Francijo in Anglijo. Za tem delamo na dobrih odnosih z Madžarsko in smo še vedno pro ONE nakar pišemo popagandne članke v Nemčiji kjer izkazujemo našo prijateljstvo do te države ter zopet želimo ustvarit zavezništvo z državo, ki je na žalost prisino v EDEN/Terra zavezništvu ter pod okupacijo ONE držav. Tukaj je še govora o izbolšanju odnosov z EDEN/Terra državama kot sta Hrvaška in Bolgarija.
Vse to nam daje občutek, da Slovenija ne ve kam spada in kdo so naši prijatelji. To lahko pošlje mešane signale našim prijateljem in tudi sovražnikom in posledično zaostrijo odnose saj delujemo neodločni in občasno dvolični.
Odnosi z Madžarsko so se v zadnem času ohladili predvsem zaradi želje Madžarske po Švicarski Iron regiji, ki je v naši lasti. Razumem, da je ta regija zelo pomembna Madžarski saj lahko z njo povežejo svoje originalne regije z regijami v Franciji in Ameriki. Na drugi strani je pa ta regija zelo pomembna za Slovenijo saj nam omogoča bonus pri orožarski proizvodnji in daje velik »boost« naši ekonomiji. Madžarska ima sedaj most preko Nemških regij, ki so bile pred tem v »lasti« Slovaške katera se je odpovedala tem regijam za 14 dni za ceno 200 gold. Cena zame ni nič presenetljiva saj je Slovaška znana po tem, da zahteva vrtoglave zneske pri najemu regij (spomnimo se 100 gold za najem sloveške oz češke regije).
V času prejšnega mandata so bila dolga pogajanja z Madžarsko predvsem z Athompson ki je vodja ONE zavezništva. Takrat sem mu tudi povedal, da bi bil pripravljen že drugi dan pogajan predati regijo Švice saj razumem, da je ta regija zelo pomembna za njih in kot velesila tudi potrebujejo ekonomske bonuse bolj kot mi. A tukaj je največji problem saj se vidi da Madžarska favoritizira Slovaško preko Slovenije in tega ne moremo sprejeti.
Veliko prebivalcev Madžarske mi je že povedalo, da nas podpirajo in razumejo naša stališča ter so na naši strani a je tudi res, da jim ni všeč konstantno trollanje in blatenje Madžarske.
Čeprav s tem delujem kot nekakšna copata ONE sem še vedno prepričan, da se moramo zelo truditi za dobre odnose z Madžarsko saj so nam v preteklosti pomagali pa čeprav si nekateri tega nočemo/jo priznati. Ko smo bili prvič izbrisani s strani Hrvaške so oni in Srbi vložili največ dmg v našo osvajanje, pomagali so nam osvoboditi Prekmurje iz pod Hrvaške ter nam pomagali braniti Prekmurje pred dvojnim napadom Hrvaške ter Poljske in še veliko stvari.
Veliko smo se razburjali ker nismo bili sprejeti v ONE zavezništvo in se počutili izdane. A tukaj se mi zdi, da smo rahlo pretiravali. V zavezništvo tudi niso bile sprejete države kot so Turčija ali Indonezija, ki sta veliko močnejši kot Slovenija. Čeprav nas ONE ni povabil v zavezništvo sem še vedno prepričan, da nas cenijo kot prijatelje in so nam pripravljeni pomagati. Brez prijateljev v ONE Slovenija nebi imela regij v Italiji in posledično v Švici. Veliko krat se zgodi, da moraš za svoje dobro, v tem primeru možnost nadzora nad določenimi regijami in ekonomski bonus, pogoltniti svoj ponos in živeti kot drugorazredna država.
Govori se, da če se obrnemo proti ONE lahko mešamo štrene v Evropi in postanemo zopet center pozornosti. To je zame smešno in nerealtno saj Slovenija nima vojaške moči s katero bi lahko odločevali pomembne bitke in bi bili po hitrem postopku izbrisani ter pozabljeni. Mogoče nam je ta občutek pomembnosti preveč vstopil v glavo iz časa PEACE in Phoenix ko smo pomagali držati Hrvaško v kletki. A sedaj, ko ONE dominira v Evropi za to nismo več tako pomembni in to je zalostna resnica. A stvari se lahko hitro spremenijo in zopet lahko postanemo pomemben faktor v Evropi zato ne vidim razloga, da takoj ko postanemo manj pomembni moramo spreminjati prijatelstva in iskati pozornost saj to ne bomo mogli delati v vekomaj saj bomo na koncu ostali brez prijateljev.
Torej, ONE je še vedno edina in pametna možnost.
Kot sem že v svojem prejšnem članku o Prekmurju povedal, da ne vidim razloga zakaj gojiti dobre odnose s Hrvaško. Čeprav smo sprva prišli na dobro pot in začeli otopljevati odnose z njimi je videti, da je to bila le varka z njihove strani. Nekdo, ki hoče dobre odnose s tabo ne daje ukaze s peteimi zvezdicami za bitko proti tebi. Zame je to velika provokacija in norčevanje iz Slovenije.
Že na začetku sem omenil, da Slovenija poizkuša izboljšati odnose z Madžarsko a potem se objavi članek Nemčiji v katerem se zopet kaže Madžarsko in ONE v slabi luči. Kot je biiis napisal v komentarju pod člankom bi morala vlada dobro premisliti saj dajemo Nemčiji nek žarek upanja in se lahko ponovno zgodi, da jih pustimo na cedilu. Nemčija je nekako prisilno v zavezništvu EDEN/Tarra saj jo okupirajo države ONE Poljska, Švedska in Madžarska. S tem, ko bi sklenili zavezništvo s to državo se avtomatsko postavimo proti tem državami in zopet delamo kontra temu kar smo pisali nekaj dni nazaj, o izboljšanju odnosov z Madžarsko.
Skratka, mora se končati to dvoličnost in se držati starih zaveznikov v ONE kot so Srbi, Madžari, Makedonci, Turki in druge države ki so bile z nami v preteklosti ter nehati sanjat o nekih zavezništvih, ki nam ne bodo prinesle nič dobrega razen par dni pozornosti takrat, ko nas bodo brisali. Sedaj smo varni a stvari se lahko hitro spremenijo in, ko bomo potrebovali pomoč bodo naši stari zavezniki mirno gledali saj zakaj bi pa branili nekoga, ki jih blati ko je varen v času nevarnosti pa prosi za pomoč. Tudi če stopimo v drug tabor, kdo je rekel, da bo tam kaj drugače? Velika verjetnos bo, da bomo le izkoriščali in imeli za neko drain državo.
In seveda, člani vlade se morajo vzdržati pisanja svojih mnenj v svojih in državnih časopisih saj to niso mnenja celotne populacije in lahko hitro nastanejo problemi saj tuje vlade smatrajo njih kot predstavnike države in njihovo mnenje se lahko hitro razume kot mnenje celotne populacije.
Hail sLOVEnia
Hail ONE
Lep Pozdrav
SmoothZiga
English Version
Lately when I am reading articles I get a feeling that Sloveniah is turning like a wind when it comes to in which alliance we are, who are our friends and who are our enemys. Constantly we get mixed information what is our relationship with difrent friends and alliances. First we tell Hungary we wont give them the Swiss region and our relationship is complicated, then we are thingking about joining ABC alliance and later we wanna make alliance with Germany, France and so on. Then we are working on making relationship with Hungary bether and after that we write propaganda article to Germany and again we wanna make alliance with this country even tho its forced member of EDEN/Terra alliance who is under ocupation of ONE countrys. There are also some talks about making bether relationship with EDEN/Tarra countrys like Croatia and Bolgaria.
All this tells us that Slovenia dont know who are our friends and where we belong. This can send mixed signals to our friends and also enemys and complicate our relationship with them becouse we sound undecided and two faced.
Relationship with Hungary become colder when Hungary asked for Swiss region which is under Slovenian accupation. I understand that this region is very important to Hungary becouse with this region they can connect their original regions with regions in France and America. On the other hand this region is also very important for Slovenia becouse we get iron bonus in weapons and it give a big boost in cenomoy. Hungary now have a bridge true German regions which were before in hands of Slovakia who gave those regions to Hungary for 14 days for rent of 200 gold. The price is nothing suprising to me becouse Slovakia is know for demanding high rents for regions (we saw that when we rented their iron region for 100 gold monthly).
Last month there were long negotiations with Hungary and Athompson who is leader of ONE. I told him that I would actualy give him this region on the second day of negotiations becouse I know Hungary need this region and as a super power they need strong economy. But the problem is that Hungary favors Slovakia over Slovenia and that we cannot accept.
Many Hungary players contacted me and told me that they understand us and they support us, but they dont like our trolling and bad mouthing them.
Even if I look like a ONE puppet I belove we need to make good relationship with Hungary becouse they helped us in the past even if some of us dont want to admit this to ourselfs. When Croatia erased us for the first time it was them and Serbia who put most dmg in liberating us, they also freed Prekmurje from croatia few months later and they helped defending Prekmurje when we were under attack from Poland and Croatia.
There was a lot of hot blood becouse we were not invited to ONE alliance and we felt betrayed. But I think we overreacted. There are other countrys that werent invited to ONE and are stronger than us like Turkey or Indonesia. Even tho we were not invited to ONE I belive they still see us as friends and are prepared to help if needed. Without friends in ONE we would not have regions in Italy and Swiss. Many times you have to swallow your pride for greater good, in our case we have economic bonuses and regions in other countrys.
There were some talks that if we turn against ONE we can change things in Europe and become in center of attention. For me this is funny and imposible becouse we dont have military power to do much difrence and we would be erased in few days and be forgoten. Maybe we got used to be important from times of PEACE and Phoenix when we played one of main roles in keeping Croatia in cage. But now that ONE is dominating Europe we are not needed for that and that is sad truth. But this can change any time and we might start playing big role in Europe so this is not the right time to start changing sides or finding new friends becouse we cant do this for long and in the end we will end alone with no friends.
So, staying in pro ONE is one and only good option.
As I said in my last article I dont see a reason why we should make good relationship with Croatia. Even tho at start we came on a good path and started warming relationship it seems that this was only an diversion or illusion from their side. Someone who wanna make good relationship with you dont put five stars orders to fight against you. For me this is provocation and making fun out of us.
As I wrote in the begging we said we are trying to make good relationship with Hungary but next thing we do is write an article to Germany where we show Hungary and ONE in bad light. As biiis wrote in comment section in that article, our goverment should realy think before they post an article becouse we are giving Germany some light of hope and it can happen again that we gonna let them down. Germany is somehow forced to be on EDEN/Terra side becouse they are occupied by ONE countrys like Poland, Sweden and Hungary. If we join Germany in new alliance we automaticly join opposite side of ONE and we are doing the opposite thing as we said before, making good relationship with Hungary.
Bottom line, we gotta end with being two faced and stick to ONE friends like Serbia, Hungary, Macedonia, Turkey and others who stayed with us in past and stop dreaming about some new alliances which wont bring us any good except few days attention when we gonna be erased. Now we are safe but things can change any time and when we will need help our allys will look calm and said to them selfs why help us if we bash them when we are safe but when we need help we cry for help. And who said there gonna be any bether in other alliance? They could just use us and have us for some drain country.
People in goverment should stop writing their oppinions in their and goverment articles becouse those are not oppinions of whole nation and problems and missunderstandings can start fast becouse foreign goverments can understand their oppinions as oppinions of whole nation.
Hail sLOVEnia
Hail ONE
Kind Regards
SmoothZiga
Comments
Taki članki lahko odnose le še bolj poslabšajo. Ne vem zakaj ne moreš preprosto počakat na vladni članek.
Tako to je. Če izkažemo prijateljstvo ONE, so jezni Nemci zato ga izkažemo tudi njim, ker smo prijatelji. In ravno obratno.
Regija DS je pomembna in ne bomo dovolili, da je Slovenija na zgubi. Pripravljeni smo se pogajati in to počnemo vsakodnevno! Po nekaj ur na dan.
Pripravljeni smo pomagati, saj so Madžari naši prijatelji in so nam oni že velikokrat pomagali.
NIKOLI pa nismo hoteli podpisovati MPPjev s Hrvaško ali kaj podobonega. To so govorili Hrvati, ti pa le podpihuješ.
SmoothZiga, čas si se imel izkazati v prejšnjem mandatu ne pa da sedal trollaš.
ooo poglej kdo je z dopusta prišel XDDDD
@Smoothy: trezno! Vote za trezno glavo!mufekk
FRLA si si ti prebral cel clanek?
Ziga se popolnoma strinjam z napisanim, howly dejasnko ze totalno pretirava in to z vsakim clankom bolj!
če howly napiše tak članek je to izražanje mnenja, če ga pa smooth je pa troll xDD
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@p0luks
ja zakaj?
No saj. Če bomo pa dal DS Madžarom pa za to dobili nič, bomo pa izdajalci.
Bil si na oblasti, naredil nič. Populizem prve vrste.
ste na oblasti, delate nič druga kot mešanje dreka
Se popolnoma strinjam SmoothZiga!
Mešanje dreka okrog Nemčije je popolnoma odveč.
Dejstvo je, da Nemčiji ne moremo pomagati in ne vidim nikakršnega razloga za provociranje prijateljev kot je Madžarska in pa tudi Poljska.
Ta vlada bi se morala malenkost bolj potruditi, da izboljša odnose s Poljsko...
Vladni članki so namenjeni za obveščanje javnosti o delu vlade ter prihodnjih planih, v kolikor ti niso skrivnost. Howlyev članek je torej grobo kršenje nevtralnosti uradnih časopisov za vsiljevanje lastnega mišljenja ter za lastno propagando.
Ne me krivo razumet, sem prijatelj Nemčije ampak smo nažalost na nasprotnih bregovih, ne more mi pa noben ukazat da se moram proti njim borit, razen če gre za obrambo lastnih regij. Torej pustite taka razmišljanja za osebne časopise in pišite le dejstva v vladne časopise.
Frla preberi članek in razmisli ali je res napisan v nevtralnem duhu, obstaja tudi delete gumb za izbris članka. Potrebno je takoj v kali zatrt take samovoljnosti, saj jutri nikoli ne veš, lahko da bo kdo objavil še kaj dosti hujšega, kar nas lahko pripelje do direktnega spopada.
@miltiad
Verjemi da se trudimo. Smo hoteli MPP z Poljsko pa niso hoteli.
@pikomalecki
Brez zamere, tudi ti bil lahko prej preveril kaj napišeš.
S Howlyem sem se pogvoril predn jje bil oduha in sluha o tem članku. PRav tako sva se dogovorila da se članek izbriše. To se je tudi storilo.
Ne razumem se v to veliko kaj tu sploh nekaj govorite,
Za mene je dejstvo, da z nemci ne moremo met zaveznistva, ampak za mene je tudi dejstvo da se ne bom boril proti njim!!!
Vote + shout
Original komad--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3KPBRajN10
There's not much in the e-world
You could abide by
Some says it's love
Maybe that's true
And there's always Admin
If there's nobody else
Others believe in nothing
Changes have made them hard
So much can happen
So much can happen
There's just one thing I know for sure:
Never in my e-life I would fight for Poland.
I mean, if I was e-bayby
And supertank
And Srbs had already asked me
And the boys from Hungary
And I had also fight for One already
And were mentally fit
And Smrtan would come
To ask me
I would not open the door
Because for me it's out of questions
To spoil my character
Among people like the Polish
I just wanted to clarify this
So that we are on the same level
I have nothing against Poland
I just would never fight for theme.
Is something like his really necessary?
Isn't e-life much too beautiful?
To throw oneself away
And fight for Poland?
So much can happen
So much can happen
No matter how hard my fate was
I WOULD NEVER BETRYAY GERMANS
What kind of parents do you need to have
To be so spoiled
To fight for
Such a gypsy state?
We would never betray Germans!
Never fight for Poland!
We would never betray Germans!
Never fight for Poland!
Fight4...sem s tabo!
smooth pač piše kar folk rad sliši🙂. Ni vedno najbolše tisto kar folk rad sliši, ampak tisto kar folku najbol koristi pa čeprav to populaciji ni prav.smooth pa pač izkorišča zadeve za podpihovanje in posledično pridobivanje subov, ampak to je le igra
Vidim da je že zgolj sprejemanje mnenja drugega še vedno na visokem nivoju v Sloveniji : D
AGITATOR!
Serete vsi poprek... še posebej pa mi gredo na nerf izmišljotine glede eHrvatov...
No vote!
Zdi se mi, da se ti zdi najemnina 200g...čeravno za 2 tedna velika? Zračunaj, kakšen je gospodarski vpliv te regije...
Frla se opravičujem, sem komaj zdaj videl da sta zbrisala članek. Hotel sem samo opozorit da se kaj takega ne sme ponavljat ter zakaj se po moje ne bi smelo. Drgač bo svaka čast, da si videl in popravil napako, ne bi je vsak politik kr eni sam tiščijo z glavo skozi zid.
@pikomalecki
Ni problema. Osebno mnenje ne spada v državne članke.
Torej bi ti smoothziga ponovno eno regijo prodal za 50 zlatnikov?
Aja pa seveda novote za takšne bedarije.
"da je ta regija zelo pomembna za njih in kot velesila tudi potrebujejo ekonomske bonuse bolj kot mi"
Ja seveda bogati potrebujejo več dobrin, reveži pa naj krepajo, al pa prosjačijo one za miloščino. je pa ratal tle en sam zeh zeh zeeeh, bolš da grem na pir!
Preberte si , kaj si eItalijani mislijo o eSloveniji! Incredibile! Pa preden pišete vaša mnenja premislite, kaj pišete.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/slovenia-la-barzelletta-dell-estate-1823295/1/20#comments
Wise words, thx for this article.
Small correction: Hungary gave 50 gold to eCzehoslovakia for rw-ing German regions back, than we was able to "build" our bridge to west. And we paid another 150 gold as caution to eCzehoslovakia, with condition that they will give it back if we will rw back German regions in 14 days. Sadly, we cant do it, coz our negotiation whit u failed.
@Igor Gregor
Začuda dober članek... ; )
Howly:
Blackmailing: we have negotiated for a month. After so many time we could have attacked you, but we havent, because despite the result of the negotations, we consider you as one of our friends and we wont betray our friends.
Rumors: they are just rumors. I tought you are an experienced player who doesnt beleive everything he hear.
Your propaganda campaign against Hungary: i have spoken with StiH and he said that you are using the opinion of public to your benefit. Thats why you write so many articles against us and you dont tell the truth to your people. I heard that they dont know about that an agreement was accepted by slovenians, swiss, macedonians and hungarians, and some hours later you cancelled that agreement because some of your leaders prefer profit to friends, so they demanded 2400 weapons / day. On the other hand, i have never thought that your personal benefits are more important than your friends....
Doggett
vCP of Hungary
hahahah pwned howly, we have a mofa, who always claimed to be so popular and a great diplomat but in reality even our friends don't like him XDDDDDDDD
Just on the other notice. StiH hasn't been exactly active in the past months if you could call it like that and he doesn't know what we are negotiating about. There is simply no logic in lying to our population...Unless you really want to get rid of me, from what I heard, Doggett. Yes, you.
ferrariboy: Nikoli nisem govoril, da sem popularen. "Prijatelji", kot jih ti kličeš, torej v tem primeru Madžari, me ne marajo, ker sem jih ovira pri podpisu tega dogovora in prav tako ostali člani vlade. Medtem ko Dogget govori nebuloze o tem, kako bi Slovenija pridobila več z zavzetjem fish regije, če bi na drugi strani predali iron regijo. Laž ima kratke noge.
Howly: i explained our situation to him, and he isnt too active, but despite that he can read articles in Slovenia 😛
and i dont want to get rid of you. I just tell the truth. Who said you that i would want to get rid of you?
oh, and Howly, let's make some calculations:
q5 food 3.8 SIT
q5 tanks 37.75 SIT
so hitting with weapon would cost 11.35 SIT and you would make 2x inf, so x inf = 5.67 SIT
hitting without weapon would cost 3.8 SIT and you would make x inf
top salary in Slovenia: 156 SIT
using your salary you could hit with weapon 13 times and you would make 13*2x = 26x inf
using your salary you could hit without weapon !41! times and you would make 41x inf, 1.57 times more than using weapon.
and you can hit 240 times a day.
so it is clear: your soldiers could deal more dmg and they could improve their rank faster.
and there wont be a lack of weapons, because foreigners would sell their weapons in your country.
howly tudi ti nisi bil pri pogajanjih zadnjih par mesecov ko nisi bil v vladi, zato ne mores NIKAKOR trdit da bi mi popustili oziroma dovolili madzarski prevzem te regije. Vsakokrat ko so ponudili zahtevo smo jo zavrnili, ampak na tak nacin da smo rekli ne irona ne damo , dejmo poiskat novo resitev (vse te resitve so bile opisane v vladnih clankih prejsno vlado) to kar pa ti delas howly je pa izkljucno tvoje mnenje ki ga pa izrazas kot predstavnik vlade in to ne gre skupaj - poleg tega pa itak pises take klobase zadnje case ki ne povejo in ne vodijo nikamor. Ob prebiranju tvojih clankov se vcasih prav vprasam" a midva igrava isto igro? "
produkcija ziher ne bi bila zmanjšana za 2400q5 wep... razn če dela dost več kot vsa slovenska populacija v wep industriji. ker dejanska izguba bi bla 2 wep na delavca. raw:wep razmerje je 2:1. zdej pa računej. poleg tega bi pa dobil še en bonus tko da... In tko kot je že Doggett reku: kaj ti bo wep, če si ne moreš kupt fooda oz. kaj ti bo wep če lahko nardiš več dmg s foodom.
@Doggett
See? You have proven (with your caclulations) that mighty eHungary indeed don't need this region. xD
HladenSpricar: we dont need that region for iron but for other bonuses. We have to get connected to our western territories.
@Doggett
Don't be so greedy.. Leave something to other players...
And... Make an end to the ONE aliance... It's a game killer... ; )
@smooth se strinjam z napisanim... podpora...
Fantje, če računamo tako na splošno, kot to dela Doggett se resda vrednost regije zdi enaka, vendar vsak, ki se ukvarja s trgovanjem ve, da je potrebno upoštevati vsa dejstva, na samo tista, ki ti gredo na roko. Bom napisal v angleščina, da bodo vsi razumeli!
1. Q5 wepp is the only wepp that is worth in combat for a serious player. Q5 food doesn't have the same value in combat and in our market q5 food is the most expensive. So why would I calculate profits based on q5 food, when I can't sell that food, also we have to understand that most of the players don't have q5 food factory.
Most of the players have q3 or q2 food factries, which if calculate brings 8 to 12 more hits, for me not enough if we compare with tanks.
2. Most of the raw factories are for wepp, beacuse is more profitable, so food raw wouldn't be equal, especially when prices drop because of extra production.
3. Most of the players produce ther own food and young players first factories are for food, so I don't see how more food be good in long term.
4. Why shoud Hungary take region under our control, when it has other options. Slovakia can't hold german regions for long, germans aren't that weak. I have a question for you, does Slovakia represent more then Slovenia to you, have they fought for your country when you needed help?
Slovenia is her for a long time, many have tried to destroy us, we prevailed, don't make an enemy of us, today you are strong, but things change, some day when you will need help who will stand beside you-Slovakia or Slovenia.
Let me just say this, your offer is an insult, if this is how you treat your old allies then maybe this is the point where we separate our paths. Politicians have separated enough nations, but they didin't bring any together, so whatever happens i will not blame your nation, I will only blame those who lead them.
"after that we write propaganda article to Germany"
missed out on this, reference anyone?
that article was deleted
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