Why We Are So Pissed At The Greeks
Wizard of Az
After reading President Akhraziel's article I'm sure you are wondering what caused this dramatic shift. The term started out simple enough; a hope for neutrality and stability in a recently ATO'd Egypt.
Akhraziel sent diplomats to every country that would recieve them, attempted to forge a neutral identity. However if you look at Egypt's MPP stack you would get a completely different impression. That is because, simply put, the TEDEN countries would not recieve our requests for MPPs. We attempted neutrality, we really did but each country pointed to our MPP with eMacedonia and no EDEN MPP and said look you are not neutral, MPP denied.
Now onto the main point; Greece. One of the first actions we partoke in at the beggining of the term was an attempt at peace with Greece. Their MoFA Ktroul was receptive to the idea and over a period of two weeks (time differences made negotiations hard) we forged a peace treaty that had great promise. All it was missing was a Greek CP signature, Akhraziel had approved it in theory but needed to wait for the final version before being able to commit, and Greece and Egypt could live in peace.
Then last night we are slapped in the face with a NE Proposal. We were shocked, maybe its a mistake we thought. I immediately began messaging all Greek Congressmembers informing them of the peace talks and asking them to vote not, but it appears outside of two congressmen the request fell on deaf ears. Akhraziel in the meantime talked to the Greek CP who informed us that "We should learn some respect for Greece and him. Maybe not having a country for a few months would teach us that". Now what caused him to say this you ask, a simple request for rent (or a loan) to help keep the Egyptian government able to supply Egyptian Babies who were having a tough time leveling under the current tax code imposed by the PTOers (for comparison you can buy 2 Q6 tanks after working for 3 days at the highest pay bracket in Egypt due to the taxes).
I had a brief incursion into the Greek IRC where the self proclaimed left hand man of the CP, maybe the vCP but I'm unsure, admitted he knew nothing of the peace deals even going on. So where does that leave us?
Pretty much sums it up nicely.
You see Greece is many times larger than Egypt and with a heftier MPP stack. Greece has in effect arrogantly claimed that Egypt is hers and that she should be in control all of her affairs. Fun fact, the only region Greece needs from Egypt for resource bonuses that she currently doesnt have is Middle Egypt. Due to the tax problem it was negotiated, again still pending approval, that Egypt would maintain the region UNTIL congressional elections so we have at least one FRM to make food more affordable for the newbies. We even offered up to NE them so they dont have to waste the proposal afterwords and engage in a quick RW style land swap.
So, after all of this I think you can imagine why we are sufficiently pissed.
TL😉
R? The only metaphor I can give you is you make a building together with a friend in Minecraft for two weeks, then you wake up one morning to find his friend has come and griefed only your side of the building. Sorry this didnt have much more metaphorical implications.
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I forgot to mention, I do thank the two congressmen who voted no.
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Voted btw, so you can actually pass the 10 votes at some point!
Ohhh by the way time difference ??? where the F.... are you RL are you sure you are part of an ATO ??
or a new TO
I'm American RL, and no I can't organize nearly effectively enough to be a new TO.
Who wouldnt be mad when you are treated like a dog by your supposed "masters" who are the most bankrupt country in the world?
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Akhraziel wins.
lol@Akhraziel butthurt detector beeps like hell... unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful
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Recon, is this your most recent account? Have you closed the other ones?
"I'm American RL, and no I can't organize nearly effectively enough to be a new TO. "
Excuse me but where are the real egyptians?
Loool Lawrence
Real Egyptians are brothers .......
GO HOME ONE PTOers
FREE EGYPT
Bananaaaaaa (που λεει και ο δημητρης!)
"Who wouldnt be mad when you are treated like a dog by your supposed "masters" who are the most bankrupt country in the world?"
LOL
If we are to bring RL into this just note that the most bankrupt country in the world is Japan which is in debt of 234% of its GDP as opposed to Greece which is only 139% of its GDP yet is picked on as an escape goat by the media as a pretense to pillage its banking system and save the failing EU. Similiar threats have been made to Italy, Portugual, Spain and Ireland on account of work sterotypes when Belgium, USA and France statistically are in the same and even worse percentage. If we are to talk about debt however as a hard sum its the USA of $14.7 trillion and everyone follows them.
In the case of RL Egypt, its considered a developing economy (unlike Greece) with a backward social policy and corrupt government (like Greece) whos status contributed to the entire Arab Spring (Kudos to Egypt for that). Though so what about RL which is just an expression of butthurt, when you show allegiances to our enemies and recognize them with our ancestral names and assist them in invading us as well as giving us demands what do you expect? Us to give you a hug? Lessons need to be taught so that next time if you truly want neutrality you will be neutral in disputes and wars and RWs...
by the way
1. learn game mechanics on the MPPs, as far as you have ONE MPPs forget EDEN MPPs
2. Decide whats your alliance
3. If you don't understand Macedonia is a region of Greece http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Macedonia, then your only future is to be slaves
ohhh by the way thank you for the PMs confirming that you are FYROMIAN lovers ...
so much for the MPPs you were asking ....
You are UNRELIABLE, LIARS, and BACKSTABBERS
even to your FYROMIAN LOVERS - MASTERS
I can win Egypt with my food fights only..
try to have a real ecountry first then ask for ingame respect..
we do not forget the support you gave to fyrom on difficult times for greece...
we may not need all egypts regions..but there are no egyptians in the game also..
Listen none of the above was the point, you are not refudiating that the sudden removal of then in process peace talks is wrong.
Hey Lawrence, das answer is yes you've correctly identified me!
Moving on... EFELL im not sure if you read the article to understand. We had a single ONE mpp, Macedonia, we actively sought out other countries (China, Canada, Brozil, etc) but because of that single MPP we were turned away and in most cases their were no hostile feelings, just a this can't happen now scenario. Our goal was to be neutral in all manners, as stated earlier.
To number 3, its interesting that you call the Macedonians FYROMIANs, to me that proves nothing. I understand their is some underlying debate about Alexander the Great (and frankly I couldn't give a shit either way) but you call them that for the sole purpose of degrading them. It is not equal in all ways, at least to my knowledge of Greek and MAcedonian history, but calling them FYROMIANS is used in an attempt to have the same affect as calling a black person a n****er. The name exists for the sole purpose of demeaning this person and that in itself is hate speech.
And just to clear it up about the GDP thing; while Greece is most infamous internationally for its debt UK and IReland have far worse debt with Irelands = 1100% of their GDP. Figured i'd clear that all up...
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Fail Greeks
so Ahmed what are you RL ?? Ahmed is your Egyptian troll multy ???? same as Wizard ???
Guys what is Egypt ??? a PTO ed country by some ONE friendly multies ??
tststs Delete Egypt thats better
For RL Egyptians http://youtu.be/-hOMAUH4fvc
For Ahmed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
"To number 3, its interesting that you call the Macedonians FYROMIANs, to me that proves nothing. I understand their is some underlying debate about Alexander the Great (and frankly I couldn't give a shit either way) but you call them that for the sole purpose of degrading them. It is not equal in all ways, at least to my knowledge of Greek and MAcedonian history, but calling them FYROMIANS is used in an attempt to have the same affect as calling a black person a n****er. The name exists for the sole purpose of demeaning this person and that in itself is hate speech."
WHAT A LOAD OF BS!
FYROM is the name THEY AGREED TO in 1995, we dont like it because it still uses the word 'Macedonia' but its supposed to be a temporary solution. Greece wanted them to be named by them by their original name which was Vardarska. The name FYROM is a compromise not our name for them (which is SKOPIA), the Greeks who call them FYROM are very moderate liberals and anti-nationalists. They are the ones who violated the agreements and the Americans are the ones who ruined everything just because Greece refused to bomb Serbia in 1999. To call them Macedonians is to spit on everything the Northern Greeks are, their identity (e.g like you the Cornish in England), its like naming the Slovenians - Venetians (from Venice) and telling the Venetians they aren't from Venice. Its a huge insult, especially in a country where history is very important, and for that Greece will never forgive you and your ignorance. The name exists for the sole reason of distinguising them from the Bulgars and to make territorial claims on Greece, Bulgaria and Albania. Google first congress of ASNOM and then google VMRO and you will understand... But you are too self - absorbed to care and research, I can explain to you a billion ways in which the ancient Macedonians are Greeks but that is common sense that most educated people learn in primary school .
Just One thing... None can kill the metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6CPwu0I44
and something to add about about the Skopje name 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5PCpxV2Imw&feature=youtu.be
Ello Yiannis! I appreciate the long response, truly do, got to learn a bit. But the point still remains, while you've made me a bit curious (I do intend to research these things) I believe your self absorption claims were a bit unpresedented. I have had no need to research such things before eRepublik, I didn't even know the countries of the Balkans before eRep. Its not an area of strategic interest to America, we haven't fought any major wars there so its simply not apart of our history. I doubt you can name every knock and cranny of American History either. Das is why I stated I don't care much about the dispute, it doesn't affect me just as you probably couldn't give two shits towards southerners who want so seceed or state boundary disputes in America.
Moving on from their, the point still remains - FYROM is a name that they openly oppose. If they accepted it then that is great but that is no longer the case.
And for the record I'm rather more of a neutral lot, not particuarly pro one and not really pro eden either. I see the value in peace and MPPs with nations whom respect us.
As long as you call FYROM as Macedonia, i have no problem seeing you completely occupied.
You have NO IDEA of history. Learn it.
Wiz star ... do you imply that your world cultural knowledge is exhausted to the countries bombed from what used to be the proud United States of America ???
somebody has to do some reading kiddo
" but calling them FYROMIANS is used in an attempt to have the same affect as calling a black person a n****er. The name exists for the sole purpose of demeaning this person and that in itself is hate speech."
This is a very big statement to make. I am not an expert on American History but I am studying it at the moment in universiy (in the UK). The Balkans are an era of strategic interests because they are used as cross ways for SAM missles, air crafts and bases to Russia, the middle east and Iran and plus there are many corporate interests there to be gained by multi-national companies, e.g Cigrattete companies in Serbia. Henry Kissinger addressed this in the 1980s and the Americans got involved in the 90s only to destroy Serbian influence and they punished Greece in 2001 for no helping them bomb Serbia in 1999 just as they punished France in 1991 for not joining the gulf war.
If you dont care about the dispute then the neutral name is FYROM, yes they may oppose it, but they have no right to do so, they agreed to it in 1995, and they do it because they are brainwashed idiots whos education system is comparable to North Koreas and they are bent on the idea of restoring some fantastu empire.. They are a poor country with 2 million people 30 % of which are Albanians and only 800,000 of which have internet. How is it that they have so many players on erepublik? Nationalism...
If you believe in peace then you shall have peace, the problem is many Greeks believe the opposite and feel betrayed by Egypt,,,
Ah EFELL You Misinterpret - Much of America's history, that is taught in school, revolves around wars. This is simply because this is usually a turning point for the country, or world. We are taught some culture, but I'm not the biggest fan out past cultures as much as the military technology. It is simply in my nature, that being said we do learn about much of world culture in world history courses. However that only gives a vague overview, maybe in my European History course next year I shall learn more.
Movin on to Balambani, most of the things you listed are true about most of Eastern Europe. That section is seen kind of like on giant wall, the countries in the area arn't major players on the world stage and thus don't draw much attention for their individuality in their relation to America. Moving on to your third point, what do the Greeks have to feel betrayed about? A country newly out of PTO that has existed for less than a month in its current form persuing peace? A country not even a tenth of the size of Greece with a fifith of the mpp stack?
Population history of Egypt
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The land currently known as Egypt has a long and involved population history. This is partly due to its geographical location at the crossroads of several major cultural areas: the Mediterranean, the Middle East, the Sahara and East Africa. In addition Egypt has experienced several invasions during its long history, including by the Canaanites, the Libyans, the Nubians, the Assyrians, the Kushites, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans and the Arabs. The various conquests over time have made the relationship between Modern Egyptians and Ancient Egyptians a topic of investigation.
and the arab version ..
http://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%AF_%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1
النمو السكانى فى مصر ما بين 1961 و 2003
سكان مصر كانو دايمأ قوه سياسيه و اقتصاديه و عسكريه لمصر
عدد سكان مصر فى مصر القديمه مش معروف بالظبط. الرحاله و المؤرخ اليونانى هيرودوتس ما قدرش عدد سكان مصر ( فى عهد الملك اماسيس فى القرن الساتت قبل الميلاد ) لكن قال ان عدد المدن المصريه كان 30.000 مسكونه ، لكن ديودوروس قدر عدد سكان مصر بـ 7 مليون و يوسيفوس قدره بـ 7 مليون و نص فى عهد فسباسيان.
بعد مااحتل العرب مصر ( 642) ما اهتموش بعدد سكان مصر لكن بحجم الغلال اللى ممكن يشحنوها من مصر [1] و الضرايب اللى ممكن يلموها من المصريين ، و بيذكر المقريزى ان عمرو بن العاص كان اول اللى لمو الضرايب من المصريين و قال انه لم " اثنا عشر الف الف دينار " يعنى 12 مليون دينار على اساس دينارين من كل راجل مصرى. وبعدين سعد بن ابى سرح لم بعده مبلغ " أربعة عشر الف الف دينار " يعنى اربعتاشر مليون دينار و ده معناه ان مصر فى الفتره دى كان عدد رجالتها من 6 ل 7 مليون راجل من غير الستات و العيال لو اتضافو يبقى عدد السكان الكلى كان 30 مليون و ده عدد ضخم مش محتمل لكن المحتمل انهم كانو حوالى 7 مليون.
فى اواخر القرن الاتناشر انخفض عدد سكان مصر لإتنين مليون جايز بسبب الحروب و الاوبئه و الهجره لنواحى الامبراطوريه المملوكيه. و فى عهد محمد على باشا وصل عدد سكان مصر لـ 4 مليون و قعد يزيد. الفرانسويه وقت الحمله الفرنسيه (1798-1801 ) بتاعة نابوليون بونابارت عملو احصا و طلع العدد 2 مليون ، و اتعمل احصا تانى سنة 1864 و طلع العدد 4 مليون. دى رينى عمل احصا سنة 1873 و طلع العدد 5.203.405 ، و فى سنة 1883 اتعمل احصا و طلع العدد 6.806.381 ، و فى سنة 1897 وصل عدد المصريين لـ 9.654.323.
عدد المصريين الكبير عبر التاريخ خلا العنصر المصرى هو السايد طول الوقت رغم كل العناصر الاجنبيه اللى عاشت فى مصر و اللى بطبيعة الحال ما كانوش بيعدو كام الف وسط ملايين المصريين ، يتضاف لده ان الاجانب اللى عاشو فى مصر عاشو عادة منغلقين فى مجتمعاتهم و كانو مميزين وسط العنصر المصرى السايد سواء كانو مقدونين او يونانيين او عربان [2].
فى ستينات القرن العشرين اتخطى عدد المصريين ال 30 مليون و فى بدايات القرن واحد و عشرين اتخطى عددهم 80 مليون و بقو بيمثلو
"A country newly out of PTO that has existed for less than a month in its current form persuing peace? A country not even a tenth of the size of Greece with a fifith of the mpp stack?"
Many Greeks say you violated our trade agreements, you turned against us out of the blue, you helped FYROM destroy us. Maybe they are right, maybe there are wrong, I cant remember, perhaps you are right that Greece was out of order, or perhaps Egypt was out of order. I dunno, only the old players can clarify the events on tat time... I am one, but i wasnt active during that period, I was wen Greece and Egypt were friendly though and the Turks who were against were appealing to Egyptian friendship...