Why I voted No
Jimmy Olsen
As you have most likely heard, the United States of America has joined the Erepublik Defense and Economy Network, better known as EDEN. This issue was put to a vote in the US congress and passed with a huge majority. There was only minimal opposition, of which I was a part. I'd like to take some time to inform the world of why I voted No.
I'd like to begin with a brief history lesson for those newer players who were not alive at the time that these events took place. Once upon a time, there was a big alliance called ATLANTIS. It was composed of all of the world's big badasses, the biggest of which was Romania. ATLANTIS pretty much did whatever they wanted because they were bored and they could. This continued until the small countries of the world got pissed. They banded together to form a new alliance to protect small countries from ATLANTIS. This alliance was PEACE GC. As we all know, PEACE GC grew up to be the big bad bullies of the world, conquering territories on a whim and sending butthole hater trolls to spam our media.
This forms the basis for my first voting issue: the creation of an "axis of evil." With the recent dissolution of PEACE, EDEN currently stands as the only established, strong alliance in the world. This is eerily similar to the early, pre-PEACE days of ATLANTIS. In this situation, it is almost inevitable that the alliance will get bored and at least one member will resort to imperialist policies, thus catalyzing the creation of "PEACE 2.0."
Another problem with EDEN is the very fact that it is such a large alliance. The size of ATLANTIS was its eventual downfall. ATLANTIS was comprised of so many different cultures and viewpoints from around the world that its fall was inevitable. It was loosely connected, and old disputes were allowed to tear the alliance apart. It is for this reason that I support smaller alliances in the place of a large alliance.
The final problem I have lies in the charter of EDEN. A few key lines make me distrust EDEN as a whole.
First: "4.0.4. No Member shall answer calls for assistance from a Hostile or Neutral nation or aid against a fellow Member."
This line causes me great concern. The first and third stipulations make sense, however the stipulation that no aid should be offered to neutral nations is a deal breaker. Neutral nations are incredibly important to the United States, and not assisting one is essentially not assisting the USA.
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😛1.0.2. Be evaluated and proposed for entry by a Founding Member. If a Member wishes to make such a recommendation it can simply address a founding nation for support.
This is an example of how "founding members" are given more power in the alliance, regardless of their actual contributions to the alliance. This means that there is a lack of equality in what is supposed to be an equal brotherhood.
You may wonder why I publish this article now, after the vote has been taken and the USA has joined EDEN. What possible purpose could it serve other than hurt morale?
I publish this for several reasons. First, I want the citizenry of the great country to know WHY I voted in such a controversial way. Second, I'd like to remind EDEN of these disadvantages so that they may avoid them. I remind EDEN of the mistakes of the past so that they may avoid making them again. I write this so that EDEN may become the strongest alliance ever.
Heil USA!
Heil EDEN!
Respectfully Submitted,
Comments
FIRST
Nice, wakyz, nice.
Your last 2 arguments were my worries when I first heard about this vote. Let's hope everything goes well.
Love that you explain your views in a concise manner! Pleased to call you one of my own!
I stand behind Jimmy.
Yet another example of why Blazix is a genius
Haha lol Sideswipe 🙂
Good article Jimmy. Your concerns are valid, and you are without doubt a great American. I have hope that EDEN will learn from past mistakes (of both ATLANTIS and PEACE GC). No family is perfect, there will be spats, but I do have hope that this Brotherhood will be long-lasting and productive.
For what its worth, I agree with you and feel issues like that should have been addressed instead of rushing into an agreement like this for the sake of doing it
Unfortunately its too late now
"I publish this for several reasons. First, I want the citizenry of the great country to know WHY I voted in such a controversial way. Second, I'd like to remind EDEN of these disadvantages so that they may avoid them and become the strongest alliance ever."
You forgot to mention the party where people want to tie you to a stake and burn you for voting the way you feel. You've articulated some pretty substantial concerns with joining EDEN in a respectful, constructive manner.
I stand behind Jimmy--even if it's because I use him as a meatshield. 😮
I meant part, not party*
I agree with this article
Very good points. I hope we'll be able to negotiate a change in those two lines. However that would have been a more likely accomplishment before joining.
time will tell whether we've learned from the past so as to not be doomed to repeat the failings of Atlantis in the future.
"do the same thing, but do it differently" is a strategy of dreamers.
I agree entirely with what you say, but I don't think that EDEN will become the evil super-villains anytime soon, what with the unusually coordinated actions of the former PEACE members Hungary, Britain, Russia, Serbia, Latvia, Estonia, Indonesia, and Slovenia. I think that this unannounced alliance will bring much trouble in the future.
Yeah, that was a run-on sentence wasn't it
1. First off being a member of an alliance means not fighting against the nations you are allied with. Hence, the reason for 4.0.4 in the charter. If there is a problem in regards to an attack on a neutral country that has not been arranged we discuss it before we go in with guns blazing.
2. Section 1.0.2 Founding members merely propose countries. They don't hold sway in determining who gets in. It has to be a unanimous vote and we do have a vote in that. That said an alliance is not a club house. The allies have this in place to ensure a level of exclusivity.
Shut up Josh, nobody cares about a lolcats spamming tard.
^I do not endorse this message
founders are alway more important, they are "elders" 🙂
but no worries, our "elders" are quite benign and eager to help 🙂
they show loyalty in all situations
i.e. croatia 🙂
Josh, the way you rammed your agenda through smacks of the way Cerri rammed the Indonesian NAP down Australia's throats.
Well written, Jimmy and no matter what people will say, I respect your stance and opinion. Good luck from eSK!
The alliance isn't perfect, but I personally think it makes sense at this point. Either way, Jimmy, you made a very well thought-out article and that got my vote 🙂
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I wonder how we will be able to protect Peru, when the charter prohibits us from protecting neutral nations.
I agree.
Hopefully the US and EDEN don't vary in their desire to defend some poor neutral that calls for our help. We've already voiced issues about EDEN being largely Europe based where we might be interested in putting more effort into Asia. It doesn't strike me as a stretch that this part could cause some problems.
Still, this trend towards super-alliances is disturbing. I'd be interested in seeing how joining EDEN allows our militaries to work more closely (I've commonly seen that as the second or third reason we should join EDEN). I understand it gives us more say in what happens militarily, but how does it actually allow us to fight more closely than we already are?
Adoya!
okay first,
Jimmy, you da man, like always.
Second, would people stop acting like Jimmy is some big hero for this? alot of people held reservations about joining EDEN, including myslef, but I felt the issues that prevented me from doing so were dealt with.
Third, Frost didn't shove this down our throats, he received it close to congress elections and so placed it before the new congress asap.
Fourth, we already commit financially and militarily to EDEN, the only thing we are doing now is giving ourselves more of a voice. I don't see what is wrong with that.
Fifth, I am OCD and like things to be in multiples of 5, so I am giving you a 5th.
@Zanmor, it wouldn't be that we are fighting closer, it would be that we are getting more of a say in where we fight with them
god dammit, that makes 6!
Voted and subscribed.
Thank you for being so forthright in expressing a minority opinion.
I happen to share your concerns. My only hope is that we have learned our lessons from ATLANTIS, and that EDEN does not become ATLANTIS 2.0.
I understand that, Dr. Tango, but the post on the eUS forums in congress says:
"4. Joint Military Planning: We need to work even more with our allies on missions together and this will do it."
So it's a lil further down on that particular list, but it's still there.
For me I'm still unsure of the benefits here (not just this point but in general) and obviously the overwhelming vote doesn't necessarily seem to reflect our reservations on this tough call. Like I said in the last post, I'm not a fan of the super-alliance trend in general.
I was sorry to see this issue move forward so quickly with relatively little public discussion. I agree wholeheartedly, but mostly I appreciate the professional tone.
Voted.
As for JoshFrost's defense of 4.0.4.: I think the real problem is not allowing us to assist neutral nations. That sucks.
Agreed. Subscribed.
Dr. Tango:
I believe people are lauding Jimmy for his thought out and detailed issues with the alliance charter. While reading over the congressional voting I saw a lot of "I'll vote yes but I'm uneasy for vague reasons relating to autonomy." being passed around. No matter what the vote, any congress person who can defend their stance with well reasoned and detailed letter to the public deserves respect.
sino301:
Your comment is particularly troubling. Jimmy had stated he was concerned about being "equal partners" in an alliance. This "autonomy" that gets mentioned is likely in response to the actions of PEACE member states who were used as pawns with alarming frequency. Telling an American senator that your country is more important than his in the alliance he just joined is exceedingly poor taste.
I agree.
Tehninja, it was just a comment and he's the President anyway so he has to clarify this to present an equal argument from both sides. Its only fair.
Agreed with elizabopolus.
So big bad PEACE is finally gone? I always loved their slogan: "Bring PEACE throughout the world" And ATLANTIS too? Things sure have changed.
Anybody have an article that can summarize what's happened these past 200 days?
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One thing: 4.0.4 does not make us stop assisting neutral nations. WHat it stops is that we cannot assist a neutral nation that is *hostile* to a EDEN country. I know the wording is a little off, but that is the interpretation.
Lest my comments be misunderstood, I was applauding Jimmy for his article and stance, but I am in agreement with the USA joining EDEN. With any alliance, there are valid concerns, but in this case the benefits and likelihood of a positive outcome carry the decision.
You bring up several valid points Jimmy that concerns most, if not all Americans. However, overall, in the short and medium term I see joining the EDEN alliance as a good decision. In the long term large alliances will continue to rise and fall in cycle; I don't see a logical end to that, so we might as well have fun in the process.
I surely hope this vote works out. Hope it wasn't a mistake to join up. Time will tell.
I respect your opinion, but as Josh pointed out, we're not sacrificing all autonomy here. Also, I don't think it's necessary to advertise this... all it does is drum up anti-EDEN sentiment right after we joined.
I would also like to point something out that is easy to forget. We can't assume that rejecting this would keep our current status. More than likely in my opinion, we would lose something in our relationship with EDEN after they unanimously agreed to offering us the invite. So rather than it be a question of join or stay buds, it is a question of join or not be as goos friends. Obviously this doesn't apply to some of the countries, like our Bros.
But what happens when EDEN votes for a fight that us(USA) don't want to do.
Example: If EDEN wants to do a joint attack on Russia in order to wipe them off the map. While the other EDEN nations start up distraction wars usa and finland attack Russia.
Bare in mind that was just an example.Now this seems like a great plan to attack Russia but it opens up MPPs on the USA. Would the USA still have to go through with it even if they didn't want to since now they are apart of EDEN now?
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USAsoldier, if EDEN commited to an attack on Russia without us being members, then most likely we would be assisting them, but we wouldn't be involved as much in planning
first😛EACE isn't dead yet,only in newspaper way
secon😛i agree on this
thir😛EDEN ppl aren't retards we are learning on our mistakes...
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