Why do politicians lie?
Day 279, 02:11
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by KIA Sneak
Why do politicians lie?
A question that is both easy and hard to answer.
In RL it’s a widely known fact that most politicians lie to us. Its becoming so common that somehow its acceptable.
Whenever I here a political broadcast on accidentally change to the parliament channel I always think two things when hearing a politician talk.
1) What is the fact behind what they say? Now although I call them lies they are usually truths hidden behind so much propaganda its impossible to tell what the truth is.
2) What is in it for them? This is the big one. The answer to my first question is simple. They want more power. So whenever I hear the lies I have to think why lie about that? Usually pressure points feed on public opinion and cause voters to loose confidence in a certain party.
An example would be the uproar over the Government loosing data (the train incident etc). By continuously brining up the subject it changes from just one mistake to the horrors of the government that cannot keep our information safe.
We start to wonder every time we give them our details whether it will be lost.
Anyway back onto what I’m writing this for. Over the last month and the coming months you are likely to hear a lot of propaganda. There is no way of stopping this for its freedom o speech and who would want to stop it? The simple fact is all parties will use propaganda but when reading it please think about those two things.
Good propaganda and Bad propaganda?
Yes personally I think there are two different types.
When the PCP was rising to power we covered the media in articles containing propaganda. Now im not going to pretend we are above using propaganda but I would say that our articles where always truthful. We where doing so well we didn’t have to lie we simply made sure the facts had the most positive effect by backing them with words.
The point here is during the two months that we did this we made sure that the articles where about us. We only talked bout how good we where as a party, how we could run the country better.
Recently the other parties have chosen to cloud the media pages with propaganda but instead of talking about how good they are or how voting for them is the right thing they choose to talk about how evil we are and how voting for us is wrong.
Again this is all fair they are allowed to do as they please but personally I think it’s a shame that they have to complain instead of brag.
When the PCP was the third biggest former UK party we where great friends with UKRP. We work with them for the good of the UK and even defended allegations against them. Although some UKRP members are both pleasant and helpful towards us others are questionable.
I simply ask you to think about why there articles are against us instead of for them.
I would also like to give the suggestion that this is because they don’t think they could run the country better but just don’t like us being in power.
A question that is both easy and hard to answer.
In RL it’s a widely known fact that most politicians lie to us. Its becoming so common that somehow its acceptable.
Whenever I here a political broadcast on accidentally change to the parliament channel I always think two things when hearing a politician talk.
1) What is the fact behind what they say? Now although I call them lies they are usually truths hidden behind so much propaganda its impossible to tell what the truth is.
2) What is in it for them? This is the big one. The answer to my first question is simple. They want more power. So whenever I hear the lies I have to think why lie about that? Usually pressure points feed on public opinion and cause voters to loose confidence in a certain party.
An example would be the uproar over the Government loosing data (the train incident etc). By continuously brining up the subject it changes from just one mistake to the horrors of the government that cannot keep our information safe.
We start to wonder every time we give them our details whether it will be lost.
Anyway back onto what I’m writing this for. Over the last month and the coming months you are likely to hear a lot of propaganda. There is no way of stopping this for its freedom o speech and who would want to stop it? The simple fact is all parties will use propaganda but when reading it please think about those two things.
Good propaganda and Bad propaganda?
Yes personally I think there are two different types.
When the PCP was rising to power we covered the media in articles containing propaganda. Now im not going to pretend we are above using propaganda but I would say that our articles where always truthful. We where doing so well we didn’t have to lie we simply made sure the facts had the most positive effect by backing them with words.
The point here is during the two months that we did this we made sure that the articles where about us. We only talked bout how good we where as a party, how we could run the country better.
Recently the other parties have chosen to cloud the media pages with propaganda but instead of talking about how good they are or how voting for them is the right thing they choose to talk about how evil we are and how voting for us is wrong.
Again this is all fair they are allowed to do as they please but personally I think it’s a shame that they have to complain instead of brag.
When the PCP was the third biggest former UK party we where great friends with UKRP. We work with them for the good of the UK and even defended allegations against them. Although some UKRP members are both pleasant and helpful towards us others are questionable.
I simply ask you to think about why there articles are against us instead of for them.
I would also like to give the suggestion that this is because they don’t think they could run the country better but just don’t like us being in power.
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\'I simply ask you to think about why there articles are against us instead of for them.\'
Because they have no proper policies apart from we hate commies and they realise that their party doesn\'t have the experience, the drive, the activeness, the commitment or the intelligence to run the country as well as we do.
\'I would also like to give the suggestion that this is because they don’t think they could run the country better but just don’t like us being in power.\'
I couldn\'t agree more.
Conclusions: Vote TUP and be loved by everyone. 😛 (I am of course joking. Read the Policies folks and vote accordingly.)
maybe your artical is a lie arnt you a politicians??
I find it personally offensive that you are associating all of the mindless, reactionary anti-Communist \"journalism\" in the media the past several days with the UKRP. Especially when the other right-wing parties are much more violently opposed to \"communism\" and much more fervent and vocal about it. Regardless, these \"articles\" in the media are nothing more than ignorant, jingoistic drivel more reminiscent of Cold War anti-Soviet propaganda than real journalism.
Admittedly, a few of our members are vociferously anti-communist. Whatever their personal beliefs and actions, however, they do not reflect the voice or view of the UKRP. The problem is that we have been rebuilding for the past couple of months, and are still in the process of doing so. We are still ironing out our policies; our real policies with real solutions, not just pretty words. We are now trying to reign in our more... fervently anti-\"Commie\" members, but that\'s not possible, now, is it?
I would like to instead offer the counter-suggestion that by your attacking a party that has not directly attacked your own, this piece qualifies as the \"bad propaganda\" that you so despise.
\"When the PCP was the third biggest former UK party we where great friends with UKRP. We work with them for the good of the UK and even defended allegations against them. Although some UKRP members are both pleasant and helpful towards us others are questionable.\"
I think that KIA has pointed out that it is not the party as a whole but just a few members. This is probably because the UKRP is the first party most people join (i know i did).
@Rayf Drayson
I’m sorry if I made it sound this way but the only reason I used UKRP’s name was that we expect better from them. We have always been UKRP’s friend.
I am sure I’ll get told off for saying this but TUP has always used articles to complain about the current power and this was the main reason the PCP chose to defend UKRP from such unfounded remarks.
Reading though it I never insulted UKRP and although I called some of its members questionable I praised the rest.
Personally I think your comments show a guilty conscience. I know you do not agree with some of your parties attacks and this is why I don’t wish to paint UKRP in a bad light.
Until UKRP gets its policies out its hard for its members to know what they fight for and on several occasions we have been told that UKRP apposes something it voted yes for. These inconsistencies anger a lot of my party and I have to admit most are easily roused.
So really sorry if I only mentioned UKRP. None of this was meant to be an attack but merely a public appeal with a little propaganda thrown in and I hate the rest just as much 😉.
“maybe your artical is a lie arnt you a politicians??”
Lol fair point.
I never said I was above lying all I said is think about it when someone lies to you.
Fair enough. I know that getting our manifesto ironed out is vital (especially in regards to how we present ourselves to the public), thus I\'m prodding us along to get that finished. It\'s rather hard to be a party Press Secretary when you don\'t have a firm party line to promote and you have members saying whatever they want. Ugh.
Mostly, I just wanted to defend the UKRP because, as the only party specifically mentioned in your original post, it seemed that they were, indeed, singled out as being responsible for this.
As for lies... Just remember: Everything I say is a lie. Including that. 😃
...Darn lack of an edit button on comments...
Oh, and I expect better of the UKRP, too.
\"I am sure I’ll get told off for saying this but TUP has always used articles to complain about the current power and this was the main reason the PCP chose to defend UKRP from such unfounded remarks.\"
Only when they did something wrong that the public deserved to know of. (For example the Lakirisal situation). All parties are guilty of this to a point. When I make mistakes I expect it to be revealed in the media it\'s fine the public deserve to know.
Of course there will always of been the odd loose cannon remarks but we all make them now and then.
It\'s been said that telling only part of a truth is worse than telling a lie.
Where does that leave the PCP and all its attempts to prevent the people from finding out what\'s being proposed and debated in Parliament?
What was that telling half a truth is worse than telling a lie. Where does that leave William in all his half baked accusations?
Are you suggesting I hold something back, Tim? Because I can assure you that I don\'t!
You constantly use half truths, insinuate stereotypes which in itself is only telling half the truth.
\"Where does that leave the PCP and all its attempts to prevent the people from finding out what\'s being proposed and debated in Parliament?\"
Case in point. This is the entire congress.
\"This is the entire congress.\"
I distinctly remember members of the UBP and UK Reform publishing your proposals and being criticised for it.
OK maybe entire is an exaggeration. How about the majority of congress.
Isn\'t your leader trying to get someone ejected from Parliament for publishing a proposal?
It\'s an utter disgrace that they aren\'t already a matter of public recor😛 but to try to punish someone for \"leaking\" what our legislature is discussing in fundamentally undemocratic to the extreme!
“Isn\'t your leader trying to get someone ejected from Parliament for publishing a proposal?
It\'s an utter disgrace that they aren\'t already a matter of public recor😛 but to try to punish someone for \"leaking\" what our legislature is discussing in fundamentally undemocratic to the extreme!”
One its law for him not to post such things. He had been warned and the punishment is not final we are waiting for him to make his case.
Two the main reason I aim to punish him is because he revealed half truths. Without the comments the proposals mean nothing. All the proposals he listed are in the process of being changed due to congressmen’s comments.
Please shut up William I tire of your accusation.
\"The main reason I aim to punish him is because he revealed half truths. Without the comments the proposals mean nothing.\"
That excuse for secrecy is straight out of the Joe Stalin book! It is a very reason for allowing the public to view the debates, comments and proposals in full: but far from an excuse to hide everything from us!
“That excuse for secrecy is straight out of the Joe Stalin book! It is a very reason for allowing the public to view the debates, comments and proposals in full: but far from an excuse to hide everything from us!”
I have said to many now if they wish to propose opening the entire of congress then so be it. I have listed he problems with such a proposal but am more then willing to do it if its what the public want.
As for the Stalin remark
Please shut up. You pointless baiting is not impressing anyone.
And you think you\'re attempts to keep secrets and punish MPs who have done nothing wrong impresses anyone?
“And you think you\'re attempts to keep secrets and punish MPs who have done nothing wrong impresses anyone?”
The law states that he has done something wrong. The law that he broke was voted yes to by 11 candidates and no to by 2. Unless he was one of those two he even wanted this not to happen.
Please shut up. You arguments are pathetic and don’t even represent those who you “defend”.
Do not forget the new party: The Tory party!
personally, I\'m starting to dislike PCP more and more for their government interference. (such as that socially reliable businesses or whatever the name is) The things written there are serious limitations of freedom. That\'s why I\'m more and more against PCP and I\'m not the only one.
Because, civilians are babies, and whiny. If people told the truth everyone would freak out! Look at fast food resturants.. People freak out if 1 fry doesnt look good enough!
People are always thinking of themselves! The government HAS to lie to help them!
George Galloway doesnt lie.
His Imperial Majesty sums up the attitude of our political \"elite\" very well. I\'m not sure whether he was mocking them, or agreeing with them, but either way works for me.
It is a bit ironic that KIA Sneak should write this article. There is a slim line between lack of transparency and being economical with the truth.
In his comments on RonaldChris’s original article, he clearly says that there “was never a plan” to put firms on trial and ask the admins to interfere to nationalise or ban their owners (http://www.erepublik.com/article-557171.html).
In fact, this appears to be exactly the proposal that had been put forward by a member of the PCP to Congress (http://www.erepublik.com/article-558991.html). Coincidently this is the information which he seems to want to try to suppress by excluding the Member from Parlament.
Yes, I agree with you KIA, and with Rayf.
UKRP was friendly with us, but now there is a \"new school\" so I think that some of these members are going with the flow, without thinking.
Oh they\'re thinking all right: thinking for themselves.