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WHS - For Unity or For Power

Day 1,809, 08:17 by MrConway

I am writing this article regarding Winston Hope Smith’s presidential candidacy. He writes this article calling for a united government without party affiliation mattering. He faces The Psych0 who is also running a cabinet with Ministers from a range of political parties.

Parties included in The Psych0 cabinet:
Saoirse x4
Irish Union Party x1
Irish Freedom Party x1
Eire Aonair x1
Independent Labour Party x1
Non-Irish Citizen x1


Parties Included in Winston Hope Smith’s cabinet:
Saoirse x1
Irish Freedom Party x2
Independent Labour Party x1
Non-Irish Citizen x1




Just some quick little facts:


The Minister of Finance and Minister of New Citizens is the same in both cabinets.
Ethel Rosenburg is WHS’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ethel is not an Irish citizen but is assistant Supreme Commander in EDEN. As I argued against the current administration, how can she really represent the Irish people?
Ethel hasn’t written an article this month informing the public of any foreign affairs matters, will she do the same next month?

But the range of parties is completely irrelevant to WHS as he wants the best cabinet available in Ireland, right?



Well so does The Psych0. See these two parties had a nice long conversation about a possible coalition, The Psych0 would be the CP and WHS the VP. It seems all good but WHS had to go and become a hypocrite and power hungry. If you read TP’s manifesto you can see that his Foreign Affairs and Defense Department contain 3 Saoirse members and one non-Irish citizen, clearly the power is in the hands of Saoirse, but our good friend WHS had a problem, the problem they were all members of Saoirse. He wanted members of the ILP to be involved in these Departement.

What about this whole cabinet without your party mattering? WHS clearly thinks it matters here.

TP then informs WHS that his cabinet is picked on expertise and not party affiliation, but if WHS likes ILP members can be vMoD, vMoFA etc. This is still not good enough for WHS. He goes on to even say that he "doesn’t trust Saoirse."



"the forging of a new political consensus based not on which party you belong to or ideology that you identify with, but what contribution you can bring to eIreland."

This is the words of WHS in his manifesto. Clearly not his offer to The Psych0.

"This is embarrassing
Do I really have to explain the concept of power sharing?
You know where 3 parties SHARE power and the work."


More enjoyable words of WHS, I think by now you should have realised, WHS wants his party to be in power, and that is his sole aim.

“Many people, like you, are sick to death of party politics getting in the way of eIreland's development.”

WHS, party politics is the main reason you wouldn’t support TP.

“So
MoD and MoFA are Saoirse
MoF is IFP
and the jobs with no power are ILP
I expected the point position to be named and a selection within it be shared. And I will be brutally honest I do not trust the entire MoFA and MoD in your hands”


This is my favourite statement, telling TP who he has appointed as his MoD and VP that he doesn't trust him in power and that all departments outside of MoFA and MoD are powerless. Well said.

“I have people who want to learn the military aspect of the game or FA.”

So WHS who has picked a cabinet full of expierience wants TP to include newer players in his cabinet yet he wont? Even though TP said newer players are welcome as juniors. Ok.

“the broadest range of eIrish citizens with the greatest experience to put us back on the path to greatness.”

Well this final qoute will be my last, it really does show how hypocritical WHS has been in this whole situation. He argues with TP about having a Saoirse dominated MoD and MoFA but yet appoints TP (Saoirse) as his MoD and has Ethel Rosenburg as his MoFA. This is one change. He told TP that he doesn’t trust these Departments in his hands but yet hands him MoD and VP? Doesn't make much sense does it?

Another interesting thing about this statement is the only difference between this cabinet “power” departments and last months is the addition of The Psych0. The rest are all there since last month, with the exception of Appleman.



I’ll let you make your mind up. Is WHS really looking out for you and me? Or is he just after some ILP power?

Tiocfaidh Ar Lá,
MrConway.


*All written under my own beliefs and represents nobody elses.
 

Comments

Nataliia from Galicia
Nataliia from Galicia Day 1,809, 08:28

WHS had to go and become a hypocrite and power hungry x2

huge vote for the article

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Day 1,809, 08:45

fair enough, about sums it up

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,809, 08:52

If there's one thing that pisses me off about this game is that everyone seems to think it's perfectly OK to broadcast personal messages as being fit for general purpose to suit their own propaganda. It's makes the message and messenger untrustworthy.

Broadly speaking I would probably favour MUFC over WHS, but 'opinion pieces' like this make me inclined to pick WHS. Were you included in the CC for this article or did MUFC leak these to you?

Not impressed

Sleep is for the weak
Sleep is for the weak Day 1,809, 08:55

@Malbekh; those personal messages are meant to be sent to party members so party can make a decision, everyone done it, including whs and others, parties had to make decision about coalition Government based on those talks, they weren't closed anyhow.

Conway was Saoirse member few days ago so I guess he stayed in group message.

I only comment this because I feel invited to place comment here by yourself, otherwise I wouldn't leave single comment for article of this kind.

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 08:58

Personal logs? This was an open discussion between 5 people.

Do you not think its better that people know what WHS is really at?

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Day 1,809, 09:01

voted...not.

killer2001
killer2001 Day 1,809, 09:13

v

The Death of Rats
The Death of Rats Day 1,809, 09:13

And your point being what, exactly? That both candidates proposed a cabinet dominated by their own party? I find that absolutely normal. Even in coalition governments one party will have more departments or greater power. THIS IS HOW POLITICS WORKS! It's not fairy land.
This article only suits to inflame weak-minded spirits.
Might work on some though.

Raven Anarcho
Raven Anarcho Day 1,809, 09:17

this^

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 09:21

@TDofR

Did you read article? I accept that, what I am saying is that WHS would not accept MUFC's cabinet as it held majority of his party. Says he wants ILP in MoD and MoFA but doesnt even put them there himself!.

Raven please read it again too.

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Day 1,809, 09:25

So Conway a proven thief who got 200 000 iep from Marcus for helping Marcus in plundering treasury is still roleplaying irish patriot

Conway....you are a thief and a traitor....talking against WHS can only help him to be elected.

You are a walking shame....

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Day 1,809, 09:30

Also its a well known Conway is a puppet of more then one master.....

It's only a question who gave him orders for this article.......

Conway you do not have your personal opinion....you are not born with personal opinion or you will ever develop ability to have personal opinion about anything.

Youa re one little merry slave.....

The Death of Rats
The Death of Rats Day 1,809, 09:32

When you say that WHS doesn't trust Saoirse. Are you paraphrasing, deducting or quoting from some public conversation or article?

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 09:33

Quoting his own words from a message.

The Death of Rats
The Death of Rats Day 1,809, 09:34

@Kurgan Sometimes you say the darndest things.

The Death of Rats
The Death of Rats Day 1,809, 09:42

Let me get this right... This is from a private message between who and who? Or is this a leak from the negotiating table. I find it, dirty... When people leak stenograms. Anyone got anything else to share?

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 09:45

Its from a negotiating table. It was presented to the party of Saoirse. IFP member as far as I know where also told of this negotiating table and what was going on.

The Irish William Wallace
The Irish William Wallace Day 1,809, 10:07

Even in coalition governments one party will have more departments or greater power. THIS IS HOW POLITICS WORKS! It's not fairy land.
This article only suits to inflame weak-minded spirits.
Might work on some though.
x10000000

Marcus Suridius
Marcus Suridius Day 1,809, 10:31

Tbh in a vote between the two of them id vote MUFC hands down, excellent article man

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,809, 10:49

What this does is break down any trust between the parties. How can you negotiate anything now and speak your mind knowing that someone is going to use it for propaganda purposes. It doesn't matter how many people were cc'd, it's still a PRIVATE discussion.

The IFP were informed of the conversation where the discussion was paraphrased by moo, not repeated ad verbatim. So the point still stands.

Again for the record, Conway gave the money that he did not solicit back to the State.

Nataliia from Galicia
Nataliia from Galicia Day 1,809, 10:50

The Death of Rats, there is nothing secret in that information
can't u get whs' bla-bla-bla is not the same what he thinks?

Nataliia from Galicia
Nataliia from Galicia Day 1,809, 10:52

Come on, Malbekh
this conversation showed who is who

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,809, 10:53

You can trust me on this, because if I'm happy enough to have a go at Conway over this article, I'm hardly likely to do him any favours in other areas. Marcus on the other hand, has been unable to come up with any counter-evidence concerning his direct implication in the robbery, so with a certain amount of regret, I still consider him to be the robber and would very much like this money back.

BSBM/Dan appears to have failed to return 500k to the State as previously promised

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,809, 10:54

Nataliia, you don't have to convince me one way or the other, it's the voters reading the articles that count. This is what we're fighting over.

The Death of Rats
The Death of Rats Day 1,809, 11:03

Thank you Mal.

Big Sexy Black Man
Big Sexy Black Man Day 1,809, 11:17

Unity is a blanket used to cover medal hunter.
What a selfish git.

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 11:20

Mal a private conversation between 5people? Not really now.

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 11:57

Got to love this...

Yes I said I did not trust Saorise...is that a surprise?
Left out of the above also fro a conv between MUFC and meself is
"I never objected to you as MoD I just want to train up an ILP member in military affairs. You must see this. We all have baggage we are bringing to this and trust need to be worked at. It is not instant.
Join me as MoD/vCP and if I win we can build that trust together.
eIre needs a unity government not just this month but for a while.
....cont

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 11:58

....You pick the MoD team and I'll give you my person...train them help them understand war and what's involved.
Lets make this Governmant of the talents.
whs "

I stand over every word

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 12:06

Yes I said I wanted ILP trained in those Ministries we're weak....what is wrong there? Unless you don't want others to understand the intricies of the MoD & MoFA....do you?

Also left out was this gem...

"However one deal breaker for me/us is that under no circumstances will I support this if either
IRR, Conway, Chewie, Oj, Dan etc etc have any, no matter how junior, a role in the government"
which other that chewie who is inactive and Conway who is a fried was accepted." cont...

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 12:06

friend*

This I suspect is the reason we're reading this little article

Comrade Lovely
Comrade Lovely Day 1,809, 12:09

MUFC must think he's going to lose. Gutter politics that eIreland should be moving on from.

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 12:21

I think it would be the insistance that they train up ILP members SPECIFICALLY.
Rather than a non-partisan agreement to train up IRISHMEN for the roles.

Where the latter would be a genuine desire to find the most likely candidates to help eIreland in the long term.
The former looks suspiciously like a key phase in an overall ILP partisan endgame to control the nation.

I believe that ppl may think that is "what is wrong there"

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 12:29

actually Sweet believe it or not I could only speak for the ILP

You really think I would of objected if anyone asked to be trained up? If you do I worry for your sanity.

You are the one who says people who are not trained up have no place making decisions...I try arrange for those in my party to be trained and you object.

mmm an agenda of your own methinks

orangejuicemmm
orangejuicemmm Day 1,809, 12:35

"IRR, Conway, Chewie, Oj, Dan etc etc have any, no matter how junior, a role in the government"

Why am I not allowed? I didn't steal anything and all I did was defend Marcus from you and your friends onslaught of abuse.

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 12:35

Ppl can use the last 2yrs to conclude what my agenda is Winston.

Winston Hope Smith
Winston Hope Smith Day 1,809, 12:42

Agendas change Sweet they can change

Anyway...You really think I would of objected if anyone asked to be trained up?

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 13:58

It is because I sincerely believe agendas can change that I worked with you Winston.
How about "IRR, OJ etc." Can their agendas not change also?

-What I believe- is that you stated:
"people, like you, are sick to death of party politics getting in the way of eIreland's development. I agree."
And then insisted on basing Ministry assignments on party affiliation.

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 14:13

And I believe that as your field of interest/expertise is party politics,
which you agree is preventing eIreland's progress,
you won't have anything to offer eIreland in leadership until that changes.

I struggle to think of anything apolitical you've achieved.
So I struggle to see how you've a vision of eIreland's future beyond politics.

Quilly21
Quilly21 Day 1,809, 14:27

Articles like this aren't really needed now are they, whoever gets elected gets elected. Can we actually get back to fixing this country now !

moomoohead
moomoohead Day 1,809, 14:31

The talks broke down because of trust between the two largest parties. They represent a significant part of our population. Neither one is right or wrong. They both have benifits to offer the goverment. When they start to work togehter our country will excell. I did not consider what was talked about private and summarized it for IFP but asked them to keep it private.

Both canadites took a step in the right direction when making up there cabnets, that should be apauded.

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 14:43

Random-affiliated cabinets are nothing new moo.
We've been very progressive in that respect for a long time.

A dispute over the proportions of affiliation in cabinet is what's unusual now

moomoohead
moomoohead Day 1,809, 14:57

Sweet when we both started, a lot of people wanted to be ministers, so the CP could pick his best cabnet. Now people support a CP if they come from there circle of friends, when not, they sit on side line and hope for failure This is how we end of with minister who do not have expierance or have been in there job too long. Not everyone, but I do believe this is happening more now. Look at the current govermetn, where people lined up to help Rikain by doing minister jobs?

Sweet Drinker
Sweet Drinker Day 1,809, 15:14

moo when we started, there actually was alot of ppl!
Far too many felt they were driven away.
That's what needs to be fixed here.
It's not the bank that's broken

Aries Prime
Aries Prime Day 1,809, 15:43

I like WHS I just don't think he is active enough nor put in as much effort as Physc0 has in the past few weeks. I really haven't seen ILP do much of anything where Saoirse has been actively involved in the community.

MrConway
MrConway Day 1,809, 16:06

WHS are you missing the point?

Sleep is for the weak
Sleep is for the weak Day 1,809, 16:51

whs I've responded you in ur article, I really don't plan to explain myself twice.

Gerald Smyth
Gerald Smyth Day 1,809, 16:57

Maybe this whole "let's work together" thing maybe isn't a good idea.

My vote will still be ILP because WHS is the most qualified candidate.

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Day 1,810, 07:55

Wait so I am inactive because I no longer focus my precious energy on an obviously lost cause such as Ireland, since people like WHS are considered legitimate candidates nowadays?
Furthermore, demanding that people such as myself, IBhoy, IRR, OJ etc are not included in government is basically saying "anyone competent in Ireland other than yourself and perhaps a few of your mates are not allowed", having in mind that, once again, people like WHS is taken seriously

 
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