Whose Game is it Anyway?
SamGibz
After hearing about what has happened in the past 24 hours, I began thinking about a few things. Admins, don’t jump to that Perma button, you may want to read this first! 🙂
I gave myself one question to think about. “Who is in the right and who is in the wrong?”. What I discovered may make you think again about shouting out, “Admins Suck!”.
Background
For those that already know what is going on, skip this. In short, missing big chunks out, Presidents of many countries within eRepublik decided to band together to stick up against admins by ceasing wars and changing the citizen message displayed to new citizens to messages that have reference to disagreeing with what admins have done. They were then temporarily banned, but continued with offensive acts and are now permanently banned. Since, admins have said that anyone doing such acts will be permanently banned without hesitation.
The Changes
We all know of the latest changes have done to this game. Many agree with the changes, many disagree and have shown this clearly. I have my own views on the changes, for example I disagree with what admins have done with the economic module allowing managers to work. I do agree with admins latest change to deter the use of Multis. It is one of many tools that can be used to rid the eWorld of cheaters and does not prevent me from conducting business in any shape or form. It is also a small price to pay for countries.
Citizens Response and Protest
As a member playing the game, I see the frustration of things being changed that will effect each other. Admins encourage us to give feedback to the game. However, many of us decide to write articles expressing disgust to what the admins have done. We have all seen them. The argument is always, “Admins are ruining the game”. I will come back to this at the end. Is what we do worth it however. No, since when have admins listened? The creates frustration and anger resulting in acts that are obvious to see.
Admins
Admins are not helping themselves I feel. They are not telling us of the changes. They removed their newspaper (a bad move I think), and don’t give much information on the forums. If they were to tell us what they were going to do and when, we could prepare for it so we don’t loose out.
Admins respond to the protest and articles by banning players in some shape or form and removing the offending articles or posts. Should they be able to do this? After all, they are only our views. They add to the fire and more players are dragged into the situation.
The changes they make are also in quick succession. Some are trialled and removed, some here to stay. They messed up V2, this cannot be denied, but since then, every change they have made is immediately assumed to be a bad one. “What have admins done now!”. Some of this could be sorted by them just telling us what they are doing.
Citizens and the Game/ Conclusion
This is where things get interesting. Read the terms and conditions. By signing into the game, you agree that admins can remove anything that may negatively effect the game.
You are all literally walking into your own fate. Admins have the right to change the game. At the end of the day, you are playing their game. They don’t have to tell you what is going on. It is good customer support for them to do so, for them to listen to you and take your views on board, but if they are not after this, they are under no obligation to do so.
If you don’t like what they are doing. The action you take is quite simple. Leave the game. What have you got too loose? You have not gone to admins and said, “make me a game”. Admins have come to you and said, “fancy trying the game out”, which you said, “yes”. If you have put real money into the game, it would be frustrating for you. But you choose to put your own money into the game and you took a risk.
If admins want “us” all to leave, then don’t fight it. What I mean by this is so, by making the changes, many people disagree. If people disagree, you leave the game. If you leave the game then you have done so because you disagree with what admins have done. Admins have made this game for profit, if there are no citizens, they cannot make money. So vote with your feet people. Unless of course you have a major problem and cannot live without this game?
This is only a game. If you don’t like what is going on, leave or adapt. You have no footing. It would be nice if admins would listen to us, but they don’t and so accept it. If they have poor customer service, do what you would do at a restaurant, get up and leave. Why should this be any different?
I am not saying you should leave, I personally am staying put and will just get on with the changes that admins have the right to make. All I am saying is wake up, it not your game. If admins want to make mistakes, let them. But in truth, admins have done nothing wrong by changing the game. They are perfectly ok to “ruin the game”, if you think so.
SamGibz
EDIT:
I would like to say that I admire what the CP’s and the protests are trying to do in the sense of making a voice heard. I admire that they have been able to come together in such away and have such a voice. However, your efforts are wasted. Just leave this game if you don’t like what is going on. There is no battle to win, just your own frustration to your inability to accept change. Things happen in life you don’t like, get on with it. Grow a set boys! Ladies, just do what you do when things go wrong. Also, your Gadaffi references are a little off. Admins are not trying to hold onto us and control is.
Comments
They were tempbanned, then the admin decided they wanted to permaban them (they weren't doing anything else other than the new citizen message they already had done)
Finally someone with his head on his shoulders.
daniecox: admins have stated on several occasions that the temporary ban is also used in unsettled issues.
Obviously, they talked about it and agreed that the final sanction should be a permanent ban.
Reported for what? 🙂
This might pass as "public debate". But I congratulate you for your objective view and appeal to common sense.
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voted, gj sammy
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Some very good points. Something to keep in mind though, what doesn't affect you may well affect others in the game. Not to engage in any debate, but here's a personal example: I trade heavily on the Money Market, making a fair profit from other people's impatience. The new rules would remove my ability to do so, which is why I'm unhappy about it.
But in the end, I agree that this is a game created FOR us, not BY us. If you don't like it, stop spending money on the game, pure and simple.
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People who disagree, Terms and Services, 6.6 and 7.2. They may help you STFU. "Smiles"
But heres the thing. Yes, this is their game and they have a right to do with it as they please, but the game's current course will only lead to its own destruction. If you mistreat your customers, they will stop paying you. If you dont get payed, you cant pay your employees. If you cant pay your employees, they quit. Just because the Admins own this game, it does not mean they can treat us like crap and expect us to put up with it. If they want our money, they need to learn to respect their customers. The owner does not keep a business running, the customers do.
Quite a few players have some damned good ideas on how to improve this game, but the Admins almost always ignore these ideas and implement ones of their own with no feedback beforehand. What was wrong with the way things were done before? Where did the Admin's paper go? Why did they stop telling us about updates with at least 2 weeks advance notice? These were GOOD things and there was no reason to have these removed.
This to me shows how insecure the Admins are. They hate ANY kind of criticism, but what they fail to realize is that without criticism this game cannot improve. Feedback is a good thing that Admins should be listening to, not ignoring and punishing those who speak out. I really do hope the Admins reconsider all this because eRep has great potential and I would hate to see it wasted.
@Seisan, and this maybe the truth. But it is up to the admins. They do not have to do this. We may get frustrated by them not doing so. But as I say, we are free to leave.
Voted, and it's early to say what will happen.
We, that may be depositing, should abstain until it is resolved. Hit the money.
Ergo; NO MORE MONEY!
@Luc, you are "right on the money" (nyuk nyuk). So long as you deny the admins any dinero, it's becomes an effective form of protest. If I had the patience and programming skillsets, I'd create some competition for the admins. Alas, I have a wife & kids.
Excuse me, but now I gotta go take out the RL trash. Joy!
Nice article!
Smart article, voted!
Except on the edit - for the real world I would agree. But for a game, decent communication is the only way to achieve something good.
All the best. 🙂
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Measures should also be taken to secure the way new accounts are born.
Say a Sms confirmation or sthg!
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Ehm Ehm
eTurkey people: CHEATING, MAKING GOLD TROUGH UNJUST METHOD = tempban, unban (just the last example, both sides, EDEN or Phoenix, cheated and we all know that, a lot of people were unbanned)
ePresidents: PUBLIC DEBATES, PROVOCATION: permaban
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wise words my friend...
I agree with this civilized approach .
Voted hard...n00bs are even trying to destroy wiki...and that's not solution...
Actually what you are suggesting is non-combat mode. Let it be and give up / don't think about the lost time and money.
Well you are wrong. You don't get up and leave.
YOU CALL THE MANAGER!!!! and make sure that never happens again to other person.
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Admins multi? : P
But licking detected!
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what a wig lapdog
hmmmmmmmm somebody wants to become a moderator! : P
voted, nice article... even tho i can't help comparing the permabanning of the CPs with the tempbanning and unbanning of paying cheaters... but that's totally up to admin. If badmouthing them is worse than cheating, then it's fine by me.
OK, SamGibz, I agree with you and can accept that people who run this game can do whatever they want to do, because it's their game.
What I cannot accept is them deleting articles without reading them and giving FP without a just cause, and interpreting their Terms of Sevice as they please. But I guess I'll have to deal with it as well.
The criteria for determining the Terms of Service are also not very clear. After all I can expect this article to be also removed as it could be considered as 'Illegal debate'. Hope not, but we'll wait and see.
Of course, players are also free to choose their actions and I think CPs and other temporarily or permanently banned citizens these days were aware of what they were doing and what they were risking and were ready to accept the consequences and not to leave without fighting or speaking up. I admire them for this.
All the other players in the game can chose to stay or to leave.
And yes, it is really shame what this eWorld is and what it could be.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/erepublik-what-a-wonderful-eworld-1633098/1/20
i kinda agree
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No no.. This is defeatist bullcrap!
Sure we can leave if we don't like it but then that applies to most things in life. I don't think Gibz would talk like this if he were the one afflicted.
The point is not that they were permabanned, it is the arbitrary and highly unpredictable way in which moderators and admins enforce the rules.
We, the players should always be allowed to voice our opinions, it is what keeps the game dynamic.
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R.I.P Krimpiekat
Nice article. It is all very true.
eTurkey had a boycott for more or less same reasons. And what happened? eGreece attacked to eTurkey and occupied all regions. Nearly 2 months we do not have a country. In that time Many Turkish tanks or other nation’s tanks fighting for eTurkey has been banned. We could not see any support from International community except eMacedonia. Now many countries are boycotting to support banned tanks or presidents.
Now if you really would like to support this with your honour come and fight for eTurkey’s freedom.