What Lies Ahead...
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by Ind1anMartyr
Hi guys,
My apologies I was unable to attend the meeting and have also been AWOL over the weekend...took some time out after ages!~
I have read the IRC logs and while I must say the discussion was chaotic, the final result was fairly clear.
So...we have decided to reject the Serbian offer of a swap by a fair majority and I believe this pretty much sums up how India has always been. We fight the honorable fight, even if we will end up losing it. I'm not sure it was the smartest decision, but I believe it was the right decision for the simple reason that PHOENIX promised that they would leave India alone and that Serbia would move out of Pakistan once we got Karnataka back and would alow us self governance. This has nto happened and instead there is yet another new demand....which will be followed by yet another demand ...and I think it is good that we refuse to accede to it. I had been in favour of the swap for a while but then I remembered the deal made earlier and that angered me to no extent.
I get arguments that Clueless is honourable and he will rule Serbia with an iron hand (Of these, Clueless is indeed v v honourable but the rest..well times change!)and make sure all remains fair...so I ask Clueless this -> did you not agree to the above ? If this land swap was allowed, what is to stop a new demand coming up next month where it might China you wish to invade and would like to go through us? This never ends and it never will. The very fact that we then get the stick of a PTO threat, shows the honour and THAT is what makes me so angry. Ask MAFIA....they tried to threaten India and me...what did they succeed in doing? just dug their grave with greater certainty. We may be small...but dont threaten us...ever.
So we have the threat and now the consequences...
We have seen how relentless the PHOENIX PTO machine has been in South Asia and Australia/South Africa. This rejection of the offer will make the PTO more frenzied and will be attempted with all sincerity. The pathetic security makes this a forlorn conclusion that bots rule the game.
I do not have time to run the ATO and by rejecting the offer, I believe we have signed our warrant of getting run over. However, remember that this is just a game, and even if we do get PTOed, its not the end of the world. We will go down with honour and will come back someday.
Yes, India is a boring place and needs some action but that is a separate topic by itself. Since so many old players are coming back, it is time we decided to join in some wars and battles and I would say we should risk losing in battles rather than getting PTOed. mabe we just go on and attack Thailand, Malaysia and move further eastwards till we finally get mowed under and taken out. At least it will be some fun and we would have fallen militarily.
We have taken the call...the fallout wont be pretty and I apologise that i just cannot find the time to stave off the PTO anymore. ts very very boring and time consuming and not worth it. After all this is just a virtual game with so many flaws that is the reason india will be lost...not cos we were not good enough.
Hell we fought them long and hard and Im proud of us. No other nation can boast of what India has done, and I salute us all. o7
JAI HIND!
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Hey ash. "So I ask Clueless this -> did you not agree to the above ?" Those were unofficial talks (ergo, not officially proposed or accepted), and I naturally assumed we would be on the other side of India by then. So to sum it up: I did agree, but only if we were on the other side of Asia (Indochina).
Ash mate, if you want to talk about honorable, lets do it: We came to Asia, India instantly declared war on us. Then you attack us dozen of times in Sindh under false pretenses of a training war (which were *surprise surprise* coordinated with EDEN HQ raising RW's 20 seconds before your attacks). Then, you were the aggressor on Pakistan twice as far as I remember. When we just tried to reclaim their rightful territories, India yells "AGRESSION AAAA". Go figure...
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LOL, Clueless, you paid India the Gold to attack Serbia so dont make out India attacked you in agression as you will just look stupid.
Ash dude we need to talk on msn about those stuff I just need you xD
Oh yeah, and those attacks on Sindh came at the same time as Liaoning attacks.
Nice \o/
Clueless, you seem like a good guy and I don't want to offend you. But everytime one of your "promises" fails, you find some excuse and blame someone else or some event. Just my personal feelings about the whole situation. Oh and about Pakistan, you should NEVER EVER forget that Pakistan was the big aggressor, remember who held India captured for months? Oh right! Yes! That was Pakistan... Sooooo..
Oh and what is it to do with you if we attack Pakistan. do we tell you who you can and cant attack?
@Davi😛 Everyone knows that. 🙂
We paid for 60% I think. And the DoW was for training wars, as your guys stated.
It's just that those TW's came with EDEN cooperation and in time of LK attacks.
How sweet is that David?
Guys I think Clueless is alright, India was attacking when LK was attacked, so that was unfairly, we payed from EDEN to attack Serbia, even we are neutral that was unfair😒
@Broo😛 I wasn't eLive then, so I couldn't have known...
Hang on Clueless you claim we declared war in agression but now your admitting your country paid us to attack you, I will leave that one for others to decide.
As for the coordinated attacked on Sindh I can assure you that India never attacked Sindh/Serbia in conjunction with Eden, the r/w's all were started by Eden people not Indians, the only time we attacked you in Sindh when LK was under attack was 2 hours after LK battle started so we knew you would not lose.
Anything else?
David it was together with LK, attacked to Serbia choose, Sindh or LK it was together with RW I remember that🙂
Vladimir are you eIndian or eSerbian, all you do is defend Clueless/Serbia and claim India was in wrong when you dont know many of the facts yourself.
Clueless you actually could, since it was all over the Indian news back then when we attacked Pakistan. Just don't see us as the Big Aggressor against some poor country, coz it has much more and longer been the other way around.
see my post we attacked once ONE-TWO HOURS AFTER the LK attack, never in conjunction, if we had done in conjunction we would have won the region trust me.
Haha David, nice turning of words.
I NEVER claimed that your declaration of war was an act of aggression. 😉
I just said "instantly".
My main point was that you coordinated with EDEN to screw us over.
And about this, wooah, hold on mate, you're lying blatantly. 🙂
>>> "As for the coordinated attacked on Sindh I can assure you that India never attacked Sindh/Serbia in conjunction with Eden, the r/w's all were started by Eden people not Indians, the only time we attacked you in Sindh when LK was under attack was 2 hours after LK battle started so we knew you would not lose." <<<
I specifically remember an EDEN HQ guy starting a RW, when 20 seconds later Abhi attacked Sindh. All that when LK was under attack.
If that isn't coordination, bend me over and call me Lucy! 🙂
+1 for this great article, i was willing to listen to a swap proposal but the conditions and respect offered by serbia didn't deserve a swap trough our lands wich would make a bad eInternational impression.
We don't want to offend serbia but we ask respect for our situation as well 😉.
David I`m always eIndian, but I don`t like when someone say something what is not true and at that time I was living in eIndia, and fought in LK ofc but i`ll remind eIndian as long I play this game, I just say unfair was to reject something like this and be proEDEN if we are neutral😉
The point is...its like one demand after another. Clueless I have no grouse against you, you are a good man...my worry is that we do this now, and there will be anotehr demand and yet another some time later and so on. That is what I was illustrating.
Anyway the die is cast...PTO will happen and seeing Poland, they will run over all nations in Asia anyway so its gonna be interesting. just sad that India will lose its identity ... for a while, but its cool, we should all have fun and learn to lose!
@Davi😛 You think one-two hours after LK attack is not conjuction with EDEN? Mate, I'm surprised... One-two days: YES. But one-two hours: definitely no. Why NO? It's obvious: we focused all our resources on LK that day, so one or two hours is conjuction.
Oh yeah, and there was the Balochistan RW at the same second USA attacked LK, where many eIndians fought. 🙂
@Ash: We had only 1 official proposal so far (the swap)...
And you rejected it.
@Davi😛 Vladimir is not eSerbian, he's eIndian.
And in RL, he's from Montenegro.
Totally different country, mate.
Clueless don't you think that if we worked together with EDEN that day we wouldn't have attacked at the same time? Because like David stated above, if we attacked at the same time we would've won the region. But guess what, we didn't win because we didn't work it out with EDEN, no we opened the battle later and lost. Guess we should've worked with EDEN maybe? Oh and Vladimir the point why we're maybe a bit more EDEN minded is because EDEN has never tried to PTO us or cheat on us in any other way. While Phx/PEACE did. I'm not saying it can be different, I'd love to have it different, but just know the past and you'll understand why. Phoenix has so far never really done anything for us. That is a fact.
Clueless we've been talking for FAAAAR longer. Don't come with the "official" stuff to save your words.
ATTACKS BY CHINA ON LK = 23APR 16:58, 10MAY 23:53, 16JUN 23:46 ATTACKS BY INDIA IN THAT TIME FRAME = 23APR 22:15, 17JUN 01:32 As I said we attacked almost 2hours after LK had started and the day change meant you guys could fight in Sindh so dont give me rubbish about coordinated attacked as I tell you know if we had coordinated with Eden we would have won the region as you left walls very low 30k ish soemthing which two Indians could have beat.
Guys I think this should stop, there is no point in this, eIndia will stay proEDEN until one team is ,,on the top`` and it will stay some time more but it should change...neway yes I`m not from Serbia I am from Montenegro as Djex said and i would never go against eIndia becouse I`m not from India becouse this is just an stupid game not RL😃
Vladimir.. India is not EDEN, I just told you. The only thing is that we might be easier at talking with EDEN countries and the reason for that is in my previous comment. We don't have any trouble at all talking to Phoenix, but looking at the past we're a bit more careful when doing so.
David Forde there was 3-5 attacks on LK xD
@Broo😛 Dude! EDEN HQ started the freakin' RW in Sindh while LK attack was active, Abhi attacked 20 SECONDS later. What are we talking about here? 🙂
The mere FACT that you accepted to ATTACK, and to DRAIN DAMAGE FROM LIAONING BATTLE, is in fact, coordination with EDEN.
It does not matter you didn't win, it does not matter you didn't ask EDEN to send military there, only thing that matters is 200-300k wasted/DRAINED DAMAGE from the main battle thanks to you.
And EDEN PAID for those attacks. That, in fact, IS COOPERATION against Serbia, while you talk entirely different things.
@Vladimir: 4 attacks in total. 2 from China, 2 from USA.
@David, there you go. India used that attack to drain damage from us, and worked against us, while we never did anything to you.
I wont keep trying, if you want an enemy of India you know what to do 😉
Loooooolll! What would we win by draining damage for EDEN? Hmm, let me see, that would be.. NONE! India is a neutral country and has been that for a very long time, so why would we work together with EDEN to waste our Gold to help them drain damage? That's just a ridiculous way of thinking mate.
David and Brood if we are neutral why are you trying to make enemy from Serbia, who wants peace, cooperation and even sign MPP, first country in New World, the strongest one, and we just show them back...
Vladimir does rejecting a proposal sound like making enemies to you? Just look at football mate, 100's of proposals get rejected. That's normal business in negotiating. Maybe if Serbia can come up with some better offer we'll sign. But this offer isn't good enough for us to accept, so we don't accept. Normal business mate, normal business.
No man, attacking Serbia to help to EDEN rejecting every try and rejecting friendship means making enemis🙂
Ehm, clearly you did not read what was written above because your last comment doesn't make sense.
@Brood mate, as I said above: EDEN paid for everything.
You didn't have anything to lose by attacking, because EDEN paid for everything.
You gained a possibility of taking those regions you attacked, if the wall was acceptably low.
There you go.
And I have logs of David spreading out his idea of gathering a task force of around 500k damage to tank the Sindh wall down when the next LK attack happens.
Fortunately, v2 came, so no more walls😃
@Davi😛 Hah... I already told you. We won't attack, or do anything to harm you.
But also we (specifically, me) will never help you like I did on the 15th.
That's enough from me on this subject, gotta go study a bit🙂
Well Serbia had chance to attack us many times, but they did not and they could smash India you all know that(david brood ash and all eIndians) but they stayed and even Clueless tried to stop PTO at 15th and we got PTO party, Indonesian in our control becouse of that...That sound like friendship🙂
i wonder to whom this article is adressed. is it only, that you old guys can discuss your old guy's conflicts over and over again? well, whatever the intention was, what you are doing here in the comments section is really really attractive for all the quiet indian citizens around. you can downright see, how hard all are focusing on 'what lies ahead'. (sry, but i couldn't subdue my liability to irony...) (nevertheless voted)
"because EDEN paid for everything." - They did not. "And I have logs of David spreading out his idea of gathering a task force of around 500k damage to tank the Sindh wall down when the next LK attack happens." - 1. That's a while ago, things changed in the mean time. 2. What's wrong with a neutral country using an opportunity like that? If we attacked you just out of the blanc we would have no chance at all so why not try when you are busy dealing with EDEN? I'd say that's some smart thinking.
@Vladimir who says we're not thankful for that. But again, start getting more India minded instead of Serbia minded. Because say what you want, but so far you look a lot more Serbian rather than Indian and I'm not the only one who thinks that. @Iseutz this isn't that old tbh, just a few months.
Brood lol dude, I`m just saying, Hey the strongest country in the world wants to be our friend, friend of India who have 100 active citizents, country with who no1 wants to sign MPP and we reject, that is killing the common sense dude and you say I can think like Serbian and try to help Serbia ok, but I`ll always help to India and fight for India and help to India like I done later, like i helped against PTO who is maded by PHX countries/citizents whatever (Serbia is PH😵 so I kind was against Serbia by my vote and my candidature and I`ll do it always to help India and be always on Indian side, but will look better on oportunities who are from Serbia not like you guys, who just want help from EDEN😉
Clueless, I have already stated we could have beat your Sindh wall if we had liked but the fact we never tried says soemthing surely? as for you having logs that tells me more than you should have, yes its correct we planned for future if you didnt leave but the number you stated tells me who spoke about this as I used different numbers with different people I spoke to knowing that if a leak was made then I would know by who 😉
Vladimir - Serbia cant SMASH India as they didnt have the balls as our MPPS would have been triggered and they would have lost LK, again surely you must know this as Clueless is the first to admit this fact.
The only way serbia can beat India is by doing a PTO and if they wish to do this then so be it, we will just unleash the full force of the Indian IT kids to have their fun with the Serbian elections, an eye for an eye and all that.
*PS I dont endorse cheating in any way but if Serbia wish to play by those rules I am sure the Indian kids looking for some fun will soon find a way to achieve it.
lol david, it is now 1 on 1, there is no MPP`s and Serbia is not attacking, showing we are friends but you don`t see it, you are blind cos of proEDEN policy and I can`t do nothing against that sorry:/
Let me make it real easy why we rejected the proposal. #1: It would be handing over the keys of your friends' house to a burglar. #2: Serbia cannot give us anything BEFORE the attack. They can promise us the whole world, sure, but if they do that only AFTER the attack, how can we trust them? Get it now Vladimir?
Im fed up of this PRO Eden crap Vladimir, you dont know me well enough to say that, anyone who knows me knows I and others are PRO India only, the fact we dont have enemies in Eden is as Brood has stated, they dont come and try PTO or attack us, if they did then we would fight them in the same way.
If you/serbia/clueless dont like the fact that we wont cheat on our friends in Malaysia/Thailand/Phillippines then that is tough they are our friends and we wont help in your occupation of them, again I reiterate if you want to bring the fight to India bring it we will be waiting.
JAI HIND
They did Brood, once again, I have logs and argumentative proof, from several sources. Ask in PM if you need them.
@Davi😛 You didn't say anything new and you just confirmed my arguments against you🙂
As I stated in the comments above, I mentioned the words "acceptably low wall". It is simple - the wall wasn't low enough, because we worked hard on getting it high enough so you DON'T GET TO TRY😉
Btw, who leaked the logs to Pakistani citizens from our meeting? That tells something to me too.
As I have written above, we will not act against India...
Cheers and be good😉
Brood if you want to suceed you must risk, and I`m giving you the word If Serbia let us down I`ll leave the game sell this account and give all golds to eIndian bank to try ressistance and find Clueless who i personaly know in RL and kick his ass but that not ganna happens becouse I trust him and he won`t let us down man...
Clueless I have never ever leaked any logs to anyone, the log is on the Indian Forum for public view/vote so before you do please dont accuse me of going behind your back as you know me better than that.
Clueless you are wrong, I`ve done it, didn`t want it, we gave link in our article to everyone can vote, but Paki trols saw it lol, and david is not guilty about that🙂