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Maybe the Philippines can avoid an Israeli look alike disaster.

Unless their as ignorant.

~hyuu~

It's funny because Soul owns and should of kept the companies for the lulz .

First thing i said was about contracts when i read about this. you cant blame the philippines for having a huge amount of trustworthy people.

I suppose trustworthy makes you naive, as well.

Or were you trying to push another idea across? Because it certainly didn't have that effect.

"Yep. I never 'stole' any of the weapons, or the money. I said that I'd give out the weapons as supplies, run the company, everything. It was just under my control, at the moment."

Oh, so you decided to take over a government company that you had been intrusted with... to hand out supplies and run the company?

I left the ePhilippines for 3-4 months. I am original Scottish IRL. The point i made was that through the 10th months that the philippines has been around there has been NOTHING but trustworthy people.

You are the first untrustworthy person to ever get into the government and the dammed last. As soon as i read about the whole situation I commented on having Contracts signed for Control over Orgs.

I can really tell that you are hurt by the articles made because you thought you could do what you wanted and get away with it.

in your other words , you are butthurt. so you have come here to troll. guess what? we dont care.

*reads comments*
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*sigh*

keegan and soul planned this? Answer: YES!

No, Chris Maier, you're just an idiot.

Unless Contracts are an actual in-game option that ensures someone entrusted with a company cannot transfer it to themselves (because the game itself won't let them), then drawing up a Contract has the same effect as not having one.

Well, that's not true; having a Contract would be a bit more work, since you'd have to write it out. If only you could simplify matters by, say, giving the company to someone trustworthy...

That's just it, Paksenarrion: who are you going to trust?

You might already know this, but this is the internet. In eRepublik, we create a new entity; a version of ourselves in this virtual environment. We don't know who is trustworthy; we don't know who is a miscreant. Sure, we can guess, but guessing gets us nowhere.

A contract may seem like more effort, but it reduces the huge gamble you take when you entrust a user, ANY user, with a password to an organization. In the cyber universe, everyone is anonymous. Do you want to gamble that much with someone you don't even know?

nothing like a political scandal... *sigh*

and who do you think you are? A savior?

I like this. This is like real life politics. I find it funny.

Definition
Steal - to take of one's property (the government's) without permission or right.

Although, I do agree with your stance on doing something by fault.

i think by being appointed to a gov. position you are already signing a contract that you will do your responsibilities and duties well.

oh, and i just checked some legal matters

if there is no contract to a person that says he is to handle a property, and then he steals the said property, he would not have any charges against him for being the person-in-charge or in position.

BUT, there will still be charges against him as a person, and as a citizen.

and i checked the eRepublik law book

"Properties obtained by a citizen through an illegal or unjust method will be impounded. Such types of actions may result in a permanent ban. Additionally, if these properties are sold or transferred before being impounded, entities involved in these transactions can receive a permanent ban."

Dear SoulSalvage. I had honor to meet you in irc after I had suspended your directorship, and we had a long talk about the matter. Back then I stated clearly what your options were, as well as I explained ours. I made very clear that the whole incident would be investigated as thievery if you didn't hand over the companies you had taken. Back then you agreed with me and said it was only understandable. You chose not to return the companies, and by that you agreed to face the consequences. I am sorry, Soul, but you left me no choice. As it was my duty to let people of the ePhilippines know about the matter, the whole story was published in Erepublik Outsider. Those copies which were released in eCanada and eIsrael were not published by the official facilities of the ePhilippines, and I am sorry for them, but I can't hold the fury of ePhilippine media. Once before you said you accepted the consequences. Now you have to understand that this is part of it. Face it.

As for the contracts, if your only intention was to show us that some people may suddendly decide to sacrifice their own work and trustworthyness, you succeeded. Throughout its history, the ePhilippines has stayed unified, finding strength to struggle from each other's sincerety and friendliness. Not only do they trust each other, but they are ready to welcome all who are willing to do the same to them. Until you came around, we simply never had reasons to make contracts, for everybody trusted each other. You had a remarkable list of reference, Soul. I feel sorry you decided to let it go. Like I said earlier, you left me no choice. You have to face the consequences.

Slothen, president of the ePhilippines

Slothen, while I do respect your opinion, I simply must point out how juvenile it is.

Yes, a person can have a long list of references. Yes, someone can be a very good person when they are put into power. However, how do you know that said person will be that way?

As a politician in the highest seat of power, it is your duty to put your country first. Gambling with your financial assets is a dangerous thing to do. Sure, you have "trustworthy" people in the country. However, as the saying goes, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

eRepublik is a mock-up of the real world. Contracts are created to ensure that there are strict punishments in place prior to someone receiving a position. Ergo, a contract is necessary for the security of the country, at least financially.

I have been on the internet for a long time, and if there is anything that I have learned, it is this: NO one on the internet can be taken at face value.

Robbie Lizzini, All-Around Good Guy

Wow, this is like stealing something from someone, and then saying it's his fault for not protecting it well enough.

That's just it, Robbie Lizzini, how do contracts prevent someone from being a douche? Even if I signed a contract saying I won't transfer companies entrusted to me to my personal account, what's to stop me from doing it anyway? Are the contracts part of the game programming (ie, if you break the contract you are automatically banned)? If it is, then sure, I'll agree with you about the contracts.

But if not...hey, want to buy a virtual bridge? Only 20 gold.

Bad ka. hmph!

"That's just it, Robbie Lizzini, how do contracts prevent someone from being a douche?"

They don't. However, contracts are in place so in the event something is taken, you have a written agreement that you can present to the admins so they can get the org account from them, transfer ownership back, and ban the account.

That's if the admins get to it in time. Meanwhile, the companies have been sold and those that bought the companies are now implicated. That's more than one banned account. So, not only does the person screw with the inner workings of government by denying certain resources, he's responsible for the banning of two other players, whose only fault is buying what they thought to be legitimately sold companies.

Also, in case you point out that he didn't really deny anyone anything, and that he told us he would give us the necessary resources if only we asked him, ask yourself this:

Say you own a business which provides your livelihood, and someone takes it away from you. Don't freak out, though. You can still get the money you earned but don't get as long as you ask this person nicely.

Tell me you wouldn't feel demeaned by asking someone for your own labor.

See, now you're just splitting hairs. The orgs were in holding until the president agreed to draft up contracts.

Answer me this honestly:

Which would you rather have, a secure organization in the hands of someone untrustworthy, or an unsecure organization in the hands of someone who claims to be trustworthy?

Well, you're definitely not splitting hairs. Those two options have pretty much the same results.

How would drawing up a contract (one that isn't automatically upheld by the game's programming but require human moderation) make an organization secure? Did you know that it would have cost 5 gold for ePhilippines to try him if a contract was drawn out?



"7. If one of the entities that signed the agreement considers that the other one broke the contract rules, the Citizen that represent that entity can ask for a trial. The cost of a trial is 5 gold and should be payed by the entity that asks the trial.

To ask for a trial a Citizen must post in the contract discussion the phrase: "I want to start a Trial against $entity. I agree that 5 Gold is removed from my account as Trial costs." - where "$entity" will be replaced with the name of the entity that is accused of contract breaching.

A Judge must analyze the request and announce a conclusion. If the conclusion says that the entity that started the trial was right, the Trial cost will be payed by the accused party to the pursuer.The Judge will be represented by the Admin.

If the judge concludes that the contract has not respected the guidelines, it will be canceled without removing any gold."

http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/85645/contract-guidelines-rules-for-making-valid-contract---updated-6-feb-2009/1" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/[..]09/1


According to the rules, even if ePhilippines won its case against him, the 5 gold cost for a Trial doesn't even go to the winner, it goes back to the game. While all of this is going on, two companies have been sold illegally, also compromising the buyers. Also, the resources produced by those companies is not reaching ePhilippines. (Again, refer to my earlier example about having to ask nicely for your own resources.)

How much equivalent gold does that cost, total?

Its quite a handsome sum, and your government is willing to gamble with it because you all place so much trust in everybody. It terrifies me.

I envy you. I wish I could have this child-like innocence and look at the good side of people I don't know. I have been a part of the online community for a long time (not solely eRepublik, the internet in general), and one of the harshest lessons you can learn is to never trust anybody.

This site even agrees with me by having an area set aside ESPECIALLY for contracts. You might look at this and say, "Well gee, this seems rather ineffective." However, contracts are completely customizable. You can establish specific parameters, and specific punishments. With these in place, it makes taking companies less desirable.

And making a contract with someone makes them trustworthy? Yes, contracts are customizable in that you can make a contract for any situation. My question is, is a contract enforceable? If you can't trust anyone, why suddenly trust them just because they signed a contract?

And if expecting someone to do the job entrusted to them is child-like innocence, you live in a pretty nasty world. How do you get to know someone without trusting them? Based on your statement, logic dictates you have no friends. You can't trust anyone, so you can't get to know anyone.

@SoulSalvage, if you really want to just give the Philippines some lesson, why did you offered the other two companies for sale?

@All, He also stole 2 companies from Nadir Moon, a government asset, and he actually offered it for sale.
If his intention is just help the country realize in making contracts, what the reason behind in actually offering the other 2 companies for sale?

The other two companies were inactive and in other, very booming countries. I had planned to sell them, then give the money for an export license for DoHA Oil. I found a country that didn't have a trade embargo, and would've made the Philippines nearly twice the profit that selling in the Philippines makes.
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Again, I never planned to get any money out of this, Revilo. Run, recycle, repeat.

Oh I see, so you mean you will sell the other two companies with out the consent of the government?

First you will teach us a lesson with regards to contracts.

Second you will sell the companies to buy new license with out the consent of the owner, which is the Philippines government.

Now that's a great plan!!

...*sigh*...

a crime is a crime no matter what the external conditions/environment of the crime made.

even if it is for the better yet of a country you still made a crime.

the latest Die Hard movie is an example of what you did Soul. the villain in the story would like America to adopt his security procedures, so, he terrorizes the whole country just so they will realize that they do need those security procedures.

in 2006 here in the RL Philippines, a guy hostages a bus full of preschoolers. he says that he did it so that the government would change

you could just ask Slothen to make contracts, why do you have to make an example?