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boys club? hmm

Training wars should be exactly that, any weapons produced by the government factories should be stockpiled against any future real wars - where thay could be handed to all citizens of eAus to fight with.

Wasting weapons in this way not only undermines the private sector weapon producers, it also runs the real risk of eAustralia being overrun in future real wars.

So how is not having an elite group of soldiers not benefiting your country?

You wouldn't say that if Australia was invaded again would you.

Incase you havent noticed AW, high strength, high ranking soldiers make or break battles.

Allot of us work in gov owned weapons companies for the weapons @ subsidised wages. We work for the weapons, not the wage.

Don't worry about stockpiling, with us working there, the amount of weapons produced daily is high.

@ AW, I usually agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly, but today I must disagree (slightly). The taxes on weapons protect eAustralian businesses from unfair international competition. What the ADD should consider is buying weapons and gifts DIRECTLY from small businesses owned by eAustralians (instead of outsiders). By transferring these items DIRECTLY to the ADD these mom and pop companies will be get a boost by avoiding sales taxes.

Since the Koalas are open up to ALL eAustralians who have made fighting a regular activity it can hardly be considered a "boys club." Koalas will one day be Dropbears, and Dropbears FIGHT FOR eAUSTRALIA.

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up RW in Tasmania
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@MM : We ain't talking about the subsidised wage here (nothing wrong with eWage sacrifice), we're talking about the other weapons handouts.

Incase you hadn't noticed, as you increase in rank it takes longer to make further increases & requires more weapons. As such the benefits are reduced. Plus you have the more fundamental question. Should we be a eSociety that values all of our eCitizens as equals or are we a eSociety that believes that the majority should be second class eCitizens to a "elite" few.

I believe that all Aussies should have the full opportunity to progress in this game & not be some second class eCitizens for the "elite" few.

@Sbelly : I ain't criticizing taxes on eWeapons, I'm criticizing a special supply of eWeapons to about a dozen "elite" players.

AW there is a fairly set plan about the distribution of weapons that are handed out. It is fairly easy to get into the ACUK and if you choose to get a subsidised wage you get more weapons.

it is hardly an "elite" dozen or so getting a rediculous amount of weapons for free.

I suggest you take a look in the senate, there is a trial for very low level training which will start soon; other avenues are being looked at now that the strong soldiers have an established structure, and this "elite few" comprises of 70 soldiers, most of which do more damage than you

AW, the distribution of weapons to the elite is neccesary. We give the weapons to people who we can actually "trust" and will "save" the country when we need them.. No point giving "free" weapon handouts to everyone in eAustralia when they won't contribute in any way in fighting future wars for eAustralia.

Go to the Senate and have a good read again... You passed and rambled on about this billions of times and it will be same result each time.

just continuing of Dark Vorodor's point here, there is no point providing weapons to citizens that haven't proved themselves active. No point investing money on those who will leave.

@AW: you are a senator now take this up there.

AW, In case you can't find it or get "lost" inside Senate..

http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.[..]=1111" target="_blank">http://forum.auserepublik.com/viewtopic.[..]=1111

Fact, 64 citizens isnt a "boy group"...

Fact, eAus is yet to have a tank of their own.

Fact, using weapons during training wars is good not a waste. It is better to have excellent soldier stats before the war then during it.

Let's crunch a few figures - to increase a private to a corporal requires 250 damage; this increase the damage inflicted by one sixth.
Increasing a captain to a colonel requires 4500 damage; this increases damage by only one twelth.
So, giving weapons to a Captain - and I'll point out that both AW and I *are* captains - is only 1/36th as effective as increasing a private to a corporal.
Secondly, eAustralia's main problem is player retention. Ignoring beginning players makes this worse.
Thirdly, overseas competition is not 'unfair'. The game is expressly designed to be fair!
Finally, vorodor, the main battle achievements of these 'elite troops' to this point has been fighting *for* the eIndonesians, stamping out eAus RWs (not just recently also the WA RW 2 months ago) so why are you trusting them?

@TBA : That program you're speaking of is limited to 10-14 days.
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64 players ain't getting regular weapons or any weapons at all. To suggest otherwise is deceptive. I can tell you this as I'm in your alleged list of 64 and others are & no weapons are provided. And even if 64 players were to be provided, isn't there allegedly about 400 active eAustralian citizens?

Finally weapons to a "elite" few in training wars is a waste. Once a player increases a few ranks, it's a lot further to make similar increases & alot more costly to fasttrack. And surely we want all eCitizens progressing for a strong eAustralia, not everybody being 2nd class eCitizens for the few.

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@TBA : That program you're speaking of is limited to 10-14 days

I believe that is the defenition of trial

and AW, are you in the right battle zone and have done rollcall ect?

"@TBA : That program you're speaking of is limited to 10-14 days."

As a trial. I didn't think the Senate would approve of me going "the whole hog" until I showed whether the proof was in the pudding so to speak.

And, it is 10 citizens per 14 days. Over a month period, 20 people will benefit. They will become more active, feel they are actually supported by the eAustralian Government and become more competitive for future ACUK or Dropbear positions.

I thought this a small price to pay for such a trial. Hopefully the Senate and eAustralian Government will agree.

While i do think that we need government weapons for this elite few I also think that there should be a point during the training war where we stop receiving weapons. I would say by the time we reach captain (which I have done so there goes my weapon quota) it isn't worth it and money should be spent on other sergeants and lieutenants so as they too can reach captain.

During a proper war I would take a different approach and recommend six weapons and 10 Q1 gifts for each of our top 20 soldiers (of which I am not part) so as we can do maximum damage. The rest of the weapons would be spread evenly amongst the remaining captains, lieutenants and sergeants. This means more active players will be here during a proper war and our collective damge will be greatly increased.

Its a great proposal Ranger 😃

I am agreeing with AW here sure when it's an actual war but in warGAMES!!!

Whitelaughter
"the main battle achievements of these 'elite troops' to this point has been fighting *for* the eIndonesians, stamping out eAus RWs (not just recently also the WA RW 2 months ago) so why are you trusting them?"

Please, do not undermine us. Our greatest achievements have actually been against Indonesia and other nations.

@AW

I can see your point, but a main factor I see is activity of new players. Anyone can get the same benefits we get, because anyone can get into the ACUK and DropBears provided you meet the requirements. You cant get to the top in the begging, it takes time, and dedication like everything else.

Wether anyone like it or not, this will operate as a class system based on activity.

You can be active, as in eat, train, work, fight occasionally. Or you can be active active, and use the forums, mingle with community, sign yourself up for the registered army and similar programs.

@ AW

LOL

Its a boys club all right of about 64 people who are in whats called the military!!!!

Australians aren't stupid and use their money wisely when they know what they have is limited 😉

I saw the point earlier that the Koalas was opened to all that were interested. The terms were also explained quite clearly in the forums.
I chose not to join, but I certainly don't begrudge those that did getting weapons so that they can become our elite soldiers. The question might be put - why did you choose not to join? I'm sure you also read the forum topic..

Overall I believe wargames and selctive weapons hand outs is a much better investment in our future than gifting each day for temp wellness boosts.

@ Mark, because having privates in real war is extremely useful isnt it?

And how does one go about joining the Koalas anyway?

@ shady Ed - send a PM to the Australian Defence Department (http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1263327)

We need Icey in there

Machine Madness - are you trying to be funny? You've never won a battle against eIndo; you made one - one! - attempt at regaining NSW and then gave up. I've only been in the game for two months and I've seen more combat then most of your 'heroes'. Give it a break. You will not achieve anything until you face up to the unmitigated failures of the past.

So how do I get these free weapons?

Ahhh so AW and Mark you against eAustralia having a military?

It so sounds like it!

So can someone please tell me how many Generals we have gained from these war games, like 6!?

One last thought.

BEFORE we got our Q5 Hospital and had war games, where did our government send these people to fight to rank up?

I ask because it was a REAL issue that Centrelink could not send our citizens to another country to fight to use their Q5 Hospital to get their wellness up. If our government sponsored our fighting force to fight abroad then why was it not OK for our citizens to fight and gain wellness under Centrelink?

Did our government organize these fighters to fight a war for a single country? If so who did our government supply help to? After all they were supplying free weapons. Sounds like a conflict of interest as we are trying to get our regions back from Indo. Did they fight for or against Indo?

And please do not try to tell us they ranked up that fast during our war games. That is impossible. 🙂

John 🙂

1 thing I learned during this game: the greatest hits come from the masses, not from a few elit!!!

But we need both sides!! the masses to make the wall down and the "fast" elit to secure and finish the battles (real battles, not TWs). Thats my opinion and experince...

W

@ W

AGREED!

John 🙂

well during the wargames I've gone from 12,000 damage and now am at 26,000. I made general.

But onto the matter. When someone decided to invade indonesia. We get a bunch of privates to defend. We be destroyed in seconds. The elites. I can do 200 damage with a q5 weapon in one fight. a private will spend all 5 fight a day with a q5 hospital to do that much.

Having a strong force of General's and Field Marshells is more effective than a force full of Privates.

How many Generals and FMs do we have???

John 🙂

Classified. But they do a hell of a lot more damage than a bunch of privates put together

Of course it is classified. I would not expect it any other way. It seems that everything the "Good Old Boys Club" is involved with is classified. 🙂

John

I always had a theory that if an article's comment has 1.5 times more comments then votes, its usually flaming and filled with bs. Frankly even to this day, I am not wrong yet.

by Gold Old Boys club you mean the military. Well sign up to the military for weapons. If not. Then tough luck. Go buy weapons. No free rides.

The military are making them weapons too, on a low wage!

So they really deserve it.

@ SOB

"Also, what benefit to an individual is there, to having their rank increased? None what-so-ever!!"

They become much more valuable. Maybe you are newer to the game (this is not an attack, just a statement), but there are "mercenary groups" that employee these people with high ranks and huge damage. It is on the black market and they DO exist. ALSO, they are very valuable to have in the event of an RW, to protect yourself, or to fight for new land.

Please reconsider the notion that there is no benefit what so ever because there is.

"Thirdly, as far as i'm aware (ranger may be able to confirm) but currently all wargames weapons are produced by the governments OWN companies, so we're not making corrupt deals buying off a select few "buddies"."

We are still using tax payer money to help an exclusive group of people excel in in rank while the rest of the country has to buy their own weapons to rank up.

"Lastly, WHERE are the suggestions from ANY of those critical of the governments current handling on how to fix this problem? No, saying "give them to the privates" is NOT a suggestion. I mean a rock-solid proposal (something you actually have to put time into, not just words!!) that suggests how the government could change things to fix these "wrongs"."

I have been banned from fixing the wrongs. I have proposed many ideas all of which were shot down in IRC before I was banned from there too. THUS the "Good Old Boys Club" lives on. 🙂

@ SRG91

No flaming here. As a matter of fact, you are they ONLY person that made a comment on the entire article that did not have direct relevance to the topic. 🙂

"Good Old Boys Club" is a term used to denote a group of people whom maintain a type of exclusive club where they pick and chose who they do business with and confide in. It has nothing to do with age.

John 🙂

Once again an argument is joined by the flamers and we go way off the point, which is retention of players.

We could give weapons to a whole load of privates and get them up 10 points more than they would otherwise but we'd only retain about 2% of them as they wandered off to another game.

By choosing to join the Koalas, players are already in the realm of being more likely to stay, and are for the most part already on the way to Sargeant/Lieutenant. And they are signing up to follow the instruction of the DoD.

From all of the flaming above - there's still room for more to sign up, and I reckon we might get what - maybe another 5.

Well come on then ppl - join up!!

How does one sign up?

John

This time its filled with bs 😉

64 players ain't getting weapons. I can tell you this for a fact as I among the "listed" 64 & others are and weapons ain't supplied. Even if 64 players were receiving weapons, there's apparently 400 odd active eAustralian citizens.

Second we ain't talking about wage subsitution, there's nothing wrong with wage substitution. We're talking about a special gift of weapons being supplied simply for being in this "special" group.
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The attempt to cloud this topic as simply a con trick so that people ain't sure what's going on. There's a special supply of weapons being supplied to a special little inside group & these people are wanting to protect it. eAustralia is supposed to be for all, not to have some class system at the detriment of longterm eAustralian growth.

@ AW

Who can actually answer these questions honestly?

John

I don't think I class as one of the old boys, but I signed up for Koalas and I get weapons.
I will travel to Indo to fight in the RW's and I will repay my country by buying the moving tickets and additional weapons myself.
Thanks to the Koals I am now captain so with weapons I'll do about 15 fights (Fight/heal and then fight/heal fight the next day) at 65 damage - that's close to 1k damage. Not much but it's my contribution / payback

to Icey - I'm sure if you posted your geniune interest (not political stirring interest) in the barracks in the forum - you would be welcomed into the defense forces

I have increased my damage by over 25 in wargames. That is something that "younger" citizens will not be able to achieve. A 80% for them is often less than a 20% increase for me.

Fact is that it isn't worth using the weapons until you have the basic strength behind it as well. Fact also is that I earn all my weapons ( 2AUD + 3 weapons in a RM company) I may be a special case but the fundamental fact is that you have to draw the line somewhere and people who make a committment to the military of the country deserve something in return.

That said our military is always being looked at for ways of inprovemnt and when we can afford to because of money AND people interested, then the number of 64 will probably be increased.

@MS the idea of wargames isn't to increase the wellness of your country, that is a useful byproduct. The idea is to increase the military might of our country.

In terms of stopping at a a rank, I am general so it will affect me wherever you stop it, it should be colonel at the lowest. Thats when the jumps start to get much larger.

@moyston agreed with your first post

I am hardly an elite anything but signed up to ACUK, get weapons, fight, get stronger and through increased activity want to be more active in all parts of eRep. 1 free Q1 weapon a day is not a big deal but it does leave cash to be spent on other parts of the eAust economy.

I think it is a great idea and along with the boot camp trial should promote greater activity amoung more eAussie citizens