We Hate Gobba....
Day 856, 18:44
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by Konrad Neumann
We hate Gobba, he is nothing but a traitor, thief, and the sums of all of eGermany's problem. Heretic, evil and demonic. Gobba is the boogieman!!!!!
Think for a second, why would I be defending Gobba? Do I enjoy being lectured at? Do I like to be called an embarrassment, wrong, etc. What do I gain from it? Am I retarded or just do not understand? No, no , nothing, and no again. If everyone here remains calm and has a proper discussion without name calling and shouting, we might have a better understanding of the situation.
Before I continue, I want to say that I am dismayed and shocked by some eGerman's attitude and discourse in the debate. Telling people to shut up, that that it is an embarrassment etc to have a discussion. In any and all narratives there are at least 2 but almost always more perspectives in regards to any issue. We heard one perspective, almost to a point of over doing it. When I and other peoples offer a different perspective that disagree the first perspective, you are called foolish, told to be quiet etc, it is a disgrace and it is tyranny. Issues are to be debated and we cannot learn anything through one perspective. Such attitudes are backward and is not healthy in any liberal regime. We can agree to disagree but to shut people up since they disagree is stupid. And to Kirkanos who comment in MG's article "Konrad, in our country and after our conviction Gobba is a traitor and thief, his motive is for german justice irrelevant. Treason is Treason, also with the best motive." How can you convict someone without a trial and how can he have a trail when there is only one perspective. Having a prosecutor without having the defendant a say is no trial or conviction. Powerful words but just pointless populist rant.
I am here to offer my perspective.
For those who said I defend Gobba, that I am a Gobbaistan, or that I think Gobba is infallible, you have indeed mistaking or that I gave the wrong impression. If you read my address to the nation in regards to this issue, it would have been clear that I did not support Gobba taking the gold without my permission or the permission of the eGerman people. It is clear and for those who said that I do, you are indeed wrong or you are lying. Gobba is wrong on this point.
Who is Gobba anyways. Gobba served as president in the darkest days of eGermany. He maneuvered our survival with PEACE against ATLANTIS, he fought and help defeat the Polish PTO and money laundering attempt. Gobba is no fool. His passion is eGermany and if you look at eGerman history, you will learn that while not without critics, he is loyal and a true Hero of eGermany. Gobba acted rashly yes but it is not blinded by irrationality. He panicked or other reasons, he feared for eGermany and this banks and the econ situation. He is not an egomaniac that wants to dominate us, but a person that loves his eNation, perhaps too much. The story of Gobba is a story of an epic hero with noble intention that with great passion acted too rashly, which caused misunderstanding and even demonizing of his peers. The ends might not justify the means but his intention at least is noble. For those who claims it hurts Germany that is your perspective. I remember some people attacked me when I was president saying my policies betrayed eGermans as it harms new players and business owners. Am I a traitor too? While I understand it is in different context, but it is a difference in opinion and nothing more. He made a mistake and we all do but to call him a traitor and a person who hurts Germany etc, while you can have this opinion, it is does not mean that your opinion is law, true, or the only right one. You do not know him or the complete story or through a different perspective.
I was guaranteed by Machtgeil himself that I would have at least 4 days to secure the money back from Gobba via talks. Gobba stated in the talks that he was unsure of the bank and until he knows for sure that the money would not be wasted by mistakes or errors in the beginning stages, he took the money for safe keeping. I will not talk about the legitimacy of this action again as I stated above my perspective above, he made it clear that the money was not for profit or his personal use. He agreed to give access the org to me as well but MachtGeil went against his words did not give me the time that I need to talk. Just one day of the 4 as given. He used the admins which temp ban the org and even if Gobba wants return it, he cannot. This only harden his stance.
I also question Machtgeil's position in this. He did not give me the time that I need to use reason and logic to defuse the situation. I confronted him with this concern. I want to know why we cannot use talk first to defuse the situation and not use admins. This not only prolong the problem with lengthy admin investigations as well as ruining the effort and progress that we achieved. He said he does not like Gobba and hopes that the admin will ban him and the money returned. He said the best situation is for him to eDie, quit, or be banned. He believes that Gobba is not healthy for eGermany and that he should just disappear. I asked what about the companies that he owns which pays for many eGerman salaries, as well as that he is one of the few eGerman tanks that we have, he said that he does not care and Gobba must go.
MachtGeil's effort with the admins failed. He began to pressure me to write a ticket too, in hopes it will work with me. I said I want time to restart the talks that ended abruptly but he continues to push me. Write the ticket, write the ticket. I ask him why not talk to him as well, work together for a solution. All I got was a reply that I do not like Gobba and I will not talk to him. The banning thing failed. the admins attempt failed. Machtgeil is either too prideful or his hatred towards Gobba is so great that he refused to do what is needed to get the money back. I am not telling MachtGeil to give in to Gobba, but how can he get the money back and reduce the tension if he does not at least talk to him and to understand his concerns and his view point. There must be discussion first which he skipped. He refused to talk to Gobba.
In addition, Machtgeil knows that Gobba did not take the money for personal profit. In our discussions, he made it quite clear that he knows this. I understand his desire to get the money asap, but to continue attacks and portray Gobba as thief for profit etc is just not true and that honest.
Machtgeil now, I feel, does not care about the money anymore. He works harder to bash Gobba's name and image. He tried to get him banned and to rid this political rival. Writing many articles that bash Gobba does not help our situation. Bashing Gobba calling him a thief does not bring the money back. Why are we saying that Gobba did something wrong. WE ALL KNOW THAT, I know that. I was pissed that he took the money; it made my government look stupid. It made eGermany looked stupid but we do not need to continue the bashing. Only reason why they do is to build political support for their base. Transparency? Where? I do not see much articles out there by the president about politics. Just about the Komune and an article bashing the OMG. Not too much about governmental policies. Just a lot of finger pointing, comrade talk and more bashing. I also think it is wrong for a president to go and attack other party president on the IRC because they do not like what they are doing. What OMG or other parties do is none of the president's business. I do not tell you how to run your party and call you inexperienced etc. if I disagree with the KPeD etc, it is not proper for a president to use his position to bash other parties.
If the money is your key issue, stop attacking people that do not agree with your policy. Stop this populist. Stand with all the parties, use this situation to build unity among all eGermans and work on the problems diplomatically. Your stick method did not work and while I am not saying we give anyone a carrot, we need to change policy now. I am fighting for the end of pointless yelling in which I think the president is guilty of as well.
I want to say I do not hate Machtgeil. I am not trying to bash him or destroy him. I have no reason to do so. I liked him and he was one of my best ministers. He helped with the evacuation in the January war and I do consider him a great minister and a servant of eGermany. I also understand the frustration of many eGermans. I share them. However, you too are not been given all the facts as well. No one said Gobba is correct on this issue but bashing him does not improve the situation at all. What is the point to get people all energized against Gobba? Political capital.
Gobba is not as some people made him to be and MG is not the saint. No one is the saint here and both sides made mistakes. To blame Gobba and I know people reading this will continue to do so, but you are missing the point. If the goal is to get the money back, then this government is not doing anything other than pointing at Gobba. If you want to continue to point at him screaming that he sucks etc, so be it. it will bring nothing back and will not improve our situation. If you want the money back, stand up, talk to Gobba and work out the differences. Use this remaining time to fix this. Use logic, reason and ration to resolve the tensions. Good president swallows your pride and personal feelings for the state. You still have time.
Konrad Neumann
Former eGerman President January-March 2010
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I agree with you. This problem needs to be resolved, the longer it goes on the worse it is for all of us.
couldnt have said it better @ Kalli
couldnt have said it better @ Kalli +1
"How can you convict someone without a trial and how can he have a trail when there is only one perspective. Having a prosecutor without having the defendant a say is no trial or conviction. Powerful words but just pointless populist rant." Its pretty easy to convict someone if he is not defending himself although he could. Quasi in Abwesenheit verurteilt.
Well.. guess we already had our talk about this yesterday night.
Voted for the loooong text
I agree with you. This problem needs to be resolved, the longer it goes on the worse it is for all of us. x2
couldnt have said it better @ Kalli +2
I agree with you. This problem needs to be resolved, the longer it goes on the worse it is for all of us. x3
I still think he should not be running for congress as long as the problem exists. He could have used his experience to advise and warn the new government. What he did instead when he blocked the work of the government for almost a month, was to show that he is not much of a team player and his dictatorial behaviour implicates that he has no respect for democratic elections or other players. On top of everything he was playing with the MM in the last days, using his proposals to prevent the government from reacting.
During the discussions of the last weeks it was often said, that people don`t know the whole story, but no one has made the effort to explain anything. Saying, that it was "the best for Germany" is not enough to keep on going like nothing happened, it is arrogant and it sounds like his reasons have RL-ideology in the background.
Gobba should take the money and waste it for his training with Lana.
That would really show how things run in that game and how admins care about the community...
How many times do I have to say that he will return it. MG even said that. Question is when...
Well spoken, Konrad!
Finger pointing and such things are not useful to get the money back.
The President should do wise tasks instead.
you´re fighting for peanuts when we should be fighting all together to come up with a plan and get a money cow flowing in for our safety 😕
Konrad, you know the conditions about "when" the money should be returned. It's not a question of time but a question of the next CP-Elections and if the new president pleases gobba.
In my language, I call this blackmailing
What exactly is your point?
Are we all supposed to forgive Gobba? Or are you just criticizing MG's handling of the situation?
You've got a totally wrong impression bernhard. Blackmailing is actually cool and legal. All hail God Emperor Dio Gobba!
i think he will return it when somebody else than machtgeil is the president. Thats fucked up and not democratic
"I want to say I do not hate Machtgeil. I am not trying to bash him or destroy him. I have no reason to do so."
Gotta love this part. I guess some would call it hypocritical if such words would be included in an article which is about, well, bashing MachtGeil
Impeach him!
It's too late to impeach Konrad 😛
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C'mon guys, you know that poor Gobba is the victim here. Machtgeil forced him to steal the money and it is only reasonable that Germany gets the money back when there is a CP of Gobbas liking. After all Gobba is a hero.
can somebody translate into german, please?
in my free time i hate to read pretty looooooooong articles in english 😉
Konrad, Du musst auch mal sehen, dass die meisten, weil es einfach viele Neulingen gibt, Gobba nicht kennen. Bei mir hat er damit keinen positiven Eindruck hinterlassen und es stellt sich mir die Frage: War es Blödheit oder Dreistigkeit? Dein Versöhnungsversuch in allen Ehren, aber unter KEINER Regierung hätte er das Gold nehmen dürfen, egal ob er nur ehrliche Absichten hatte oder nicht. Wenn er wirklich die Absicht gehabt hätte, das Gold zurückzugeben, hätte ein Gespräch und ein Tag wirklich ausgereicht. Stattdessen verdrückt er sich in den Untergrund und ward nicht mehr gesehen. Es gibt nur Berichte darüber, was er gesagt haben soll oder vor hatte. Das er jetzt im Kongress ist, halte ich für einen Skandal, auch wenn ich den Willen des eVolks akzeptiere(n muss). Und wenn du schreibst, dass die ORG zeitweise gebannt war, warum konnte er das Gold nicht zurück zahlen? Also ganz ehrlich, mir vergeht der Spass. Ich will nochmal darauf hinweisen, das man jeden danach beurteilen sollte, was er tut und nicht was er tat. Jeder macht mal Fehler, aber auch positive Leistungen, wie du diese von Gobba als Präsi geschildert hast, sind nach der Aktion nichts mehr wert. Ein erster Schritt zur Rehabilitation wäre, dass es sich selbst persönlich äußert und sich selbst öffentlich und aktiv engagiert, das Gold zurückzugeben. Außerdem sollte er auf sein Amt im Kongress freiwillig verzichten.
Ich verzichte mal darauf, diesen Text ins Englische zu übersetzen. Von mir wird ja auch verlangt, in eGermany Englisch zu beherrschen. Oo
Das lustige daran ist, das Gobba sich auf eine Art verhält, die auch mancher RL Politiker gerne durchziehen würde, aber nicht kann. Eben weil es Gerichte gibt. Die haben wir hier nicht, unser Gericht muss der Artikelkommentar sein. Mein Urteil ist, das jegliches staatliches Handeln das durch Vertreter der OMG und der Steinmetze getragen wird illegitim ist.
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(3) Die Gesetzgebung ist an die verfassungsmäßige Ordnung, die vollziehende Gewalt und die Rechtsprechung sind an Gesetz und Recht gebunden.
(4) Gegen jeden, der es unternimmt, diese Ordnung zu beseitigen, haben alle eDeutschen das Recht zum Widerstand, wenn andere Abhilfe nicht möglich ist.
(4) Gegen jeden, der es unternimmt, diese Ordnung zu beseitigen, haben alle eDeutschen das Recht zum Widerstand, wenn andere Abhilfe nicht möglich ist.
Thank you Konrad for your long post, I'll try to keep my reply very simple, because there is not much to say:
I am quoting from Mirriam-Webster's online dictionary:
Main Entry: trai·tor
Pronunciation: \ˈtrā-tər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English traytour, from Anglo-French traitre, from Latin traditor, from tradere to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra- trans- + dare to give — more at date
Date: 13th century
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason
Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: \ˈtrē-zən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Anglo-French traisun, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray — more at traitor
Date: 13th century
1 : the betrayal of a trust : treachery
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
These definitions pretty much sum up the feelings of the eGerman community. And according to these definitions, calling Gobba a traitor is more than called for.
Mal abgesehen davon gehen komische Aktionen im deutschen Money Market ab. Und .... Das Geld der Bundesbank ist der derzeitigen Regierung gestohlen worden in ihrer Amtsperiode. Das ist fakt und das alleinige was für mich zählt. Meine Gedanken zu den Absichten spielt dabei keine Rolle. Finde es nur traurig das der gute Mann sich dann nocht nichtmal dazu äussert, wenn er doch angeblich so edle Absichten hat, der Herr Gobba °!°
oh yeah, one thing that caught my attention and that I would like to ask you to elaborate:
"I also understand the frustration of many eGermans. I share them. However, you too are not been given all the facts as well."
What exactly are you reffering to?
@konrad
you obviously persuaded yourself of a belief that contradicts your statements about your ability to distinguish and also contradicting your demands for rational behaviour. gobba isn't a monster, but behaves in a most idiotic and unjust way. and now you try to explain US, we have to take this with rational approach. addionally, you are mixing up different topics, to build a defense with this twisted ratio and a nice sip of moralities.
do you really not recognize the discrepancy in your articles?
"The story of Gobba is a story of an epic hero with noble intention that with great passion acted too rashly(..)"
sounds like Boris Jelzin or Robert Mugabe..
you say that if I become a great hero then I also earn the privilge to steal, blackmail or other bad stuff that is forbidden?
It should not matter who or what he is!
I know a very simple way, to get back to a rational discussion:
Gobba must give the money back without conditions.
Then he can explain himself and bid for understanding.
@Konrad
I get to know you as smart, advisedly acting president. But at the Gobba-subject you fail dramatically. You call for rational action, but you are far away from this standard. Because of your friendship with Gobba you are emotionally attached and therefore do not act more rationally.
100% Disagree
couldnt have said it better @ Kalli +3
I agree with you. This problem needs to be resolved, the longer it goes on the worse it is for all of us. x4
If it's the same Gobba, you must admit he makes good maps.
i think too that Gobba did wrong but why the hell didnt Machtgeil give konrad that time? i think konrad is a good diplomatic person and he could resolve it but it looks like Machtgeil would just accomplish his own "revenge" because he dislike Gobba... is that right for a President? Shouldnt he did the best for the nation? (what here probably was let konrad manage it!) Maybe when Machtgeil let konrad do it we have the gold back yet... so we can wait.... i think talk in first is always the best way... Machtgeil you could talk to the admins even if konrad faild.. but you didnt you just storm forward... The congress should think about our great President and maybe look for an other...
Sry for my bad english....
"Ich verzichte mal darauf, diesen Text ins Englische zu übersetzen. Von mir wird ja auch verlangt, in eGermany Englisch zu beherrschen. Oo "
Ja. eGermany have many peoples from all over the world. Stop complaining already.
Most of your comments seems to me are only more shouting at Gobba which I think is ok if it relieve your anger. I made it clear that both sides are not saints and both sides has faults, is that is it so hard to believe? I guess the money like I said is not our goal. All eGermany needs is a punching bag. It seems wanting diplomacy and rational discourse is blinded.
"I made it clear that both sides are not saints and both sides has faults, is that is it so hard to believe?"
right, but this is simply not the problem. that there are no angels in erep is NOT what someone will deny.
the problem was and is the 'stealing' and setting of conditions on refund by that one, who has 'stolen'. if you don't want to understand, thats the major crunchpoint in the whole dispute/outrage, there is no need for further discussion.
what you're critizing is only the 'how' and not the 'what'. by doing this, you're on a completely wrong track.
My favorite part of the article:
"In addition, Machtgeil knows that Gobba did not take the money for personal profit. In our discussions, he made it quite clear that he knows this. I understand his desire to get the money asap, but to continue attacks and portray Gobba as thief for profit etc is just not true and that honest."
Stealing is stealing, the motivation is irrelevant.
His actions are clear, he DID steal the money and therefore he is a traitor.
If he was a good president in the "darkest times of eGermany" or whatever, all that is irrelevant. He himself destroyed all that.
You keep on repeating that there are two sides to this, but there are not. The fact that you and OMG are obviously still in support of Gobba (see candidacy) renders you absolutely unvotable for me.
I dont care if he is your friend or the friend of most OMG party members. You all defending him against a proven eCrime make a prime example of what is commonly defined as CORRUPTION.
You, Konrad, are no better that Gobba.
"All eGermany needs is a punching bag. It seems wanting diplomacy and rational discourse is blinded."
The only one dodging a rational debate here is you Konrad. Do you mind to elaborate on my question above or did you ignore it intentionally?
Also, to keep going with the rationality for a bit:
Despite all that Machtgeil bashing that is going on here, what exactly has stopped you from getting the money back from Gobba via diplomatic means? You claim that you would have only needed 4 more days, you had 3 weeks now....where is the money?
So your point is, that his actions might be misguided while his intentions are good? I do not think that anyone should allow him- or herself to judge someone by focussing only on one part of his behaviour, in this case the intention. There's the motive and the actual effect. If the effect is a bad thing, which you too admitted several times, how can you care about the motive, the intention? In my opinion, the effect this has on our whole eNation is so significantly bad that no motive in the whole eWorld could ever legitimate such actions.
PS: I still hope that you will answer my message, Konrad.
Gobba is only an primitive ecriminal!
by the candidacy of gobba every single one in OMG is supporting his actions, if you dont ---> leave the party.
traitors..all of you
former OMG voter
cya
So ein Blödsinn Herr Neumann.
Gobba hat Untreue im Amt begangen das ist keine Bagatelle. Im echten Leben sässe er jetzt im Gefängnis weil dies eindeutig kriminelles Verhalten ist.
Das hier ist ein Spiel deshalb ist der Spieler nicht kriminell sein Verhalten ist lediglich asozial.
Well this situation is not improving at all.
Konrad, I know that you are doing your best diplomatically with Gobba and I hope it works.
I have a suspicion as to what Gobba might be doing or planning to do. He has already lost the trust and respect of most eGermans, so I could possibly see him doing so. I will not say what I think it is, because I want to be wrong.
Gobba, if you perhaps read this, you need to return the money. You might been thinking that it was for the best, but look at what it has caused. This is causing more damage then any ePolish PTO.
I wonder do people read the article or just post random things.
@Thalia and many others
Gobba is wrong to take the money the way he did without legitimate approval
MG's method was not good and it failed. Admins cleared his name.
What now. If gold is our objective then shouting at me and Gobba results in nothing but making the situation worse. You want the gold or not. If your goal is to punish Gobba, that is not my field. I only care about the gold.
If you really want that put pressure on him, not only you but all his friends in OMG.
If the decides to be a dick even then, push him out of the party and rethink your relation to him. His actions make also you look bad, if he does not care about the damage he is doing to his friends then he is not a friend afterall, he is just selfish.
What you are doing is comforting him in the public, defending him.
This only strengthens his believe that he is doing something just.
At the moment you are nothing more than an accomplice to the theft.
@ Starkad
Your question is answered in the article. Unless you know all aspect of my article, it address that.
Admins put a hiatus in the talks and I as assigned to the talks.
Since we are not calm etc and I am tired of fighting and the screaming, you can deal with it. I do not care anymore. Why and I getting yelled at for trying to get money back to the German state?
My information is that the admins stance is that the acting president at the time of the theft needs to write the ticket in order for them to be able to start acting...not the current president.
If my information is right, then our gold is just another ticket away. Are you and Donnie gonna write these tickets?