TWO and Ireland - Boru for President.
Day 1,996, 18:37
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Published in Ireland 
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by Brian Boru
IRELAND MUST CONSIDER ITS POSITION
With the complete collapse of Irish diplomatic position under MUFC, placing the country in its worst situation internationally since neutrality was ended, Ireland must now consider its position.
Keeping this aim in mind, the Irish people must now consider what alliance is best for the country going forward.
THE WORLD IS OURS - PERHAPS
It is very interesting to note that all of TWO's main members, and a large part of ACT members, are based in Europe. This grants significant strategic advantages to the alliance.
Compared with CoT, TWO doesn't need to divert strength to countries it has no strategic interest in. This is very important for both military success, and continued diplomatic progress. Furthermore, it doesn't abandon the global scope: through ACT, it can influence other parts of the world with ease, without having to give any real control or say to the countries it is involved with, and the same countries' expectations are managed easily.
TWO's organisation is quite obviously impressive as well. They are able to pull off diplomatic coups like engaging with Columbia despite warring with Columbia's neighbours and allies, and they even have a treasury position that's worth a damn; a key consideration for any long term alliance.
Lastly, TWO have a positive goal that has a path that can be achieved, indeed the path is paved by the mechanics of the game; conquest.
TWO vs CoT: IRELAND'S CHOICE
It is clear from any competent analysis that TWO is the superior alliance. This may change with a move out of Europe in terms of real membership, but it is true at present.
However, we must also apply the ideas of IR and geopolitics to our own situation; our borders mean that we could be of strategic value to either side in terms of position if not in terms of resources. The US is in CoT, the UK is in TWO.
Either way, our choice is not tasteful.
Perhaps it is then better, in the spirit of revolution, to opt for a new approach rather than the old. We share much more in common as a people with TWO countries than the vast majority of CoT countries. They are our fellow Europeans, after all.
It would mean putting aside the issue of Northern Ireland, but we have triumphed repeatedly over the British at this stage, and it is clear that we will never be able to hold NI permanently now; the game mechanics prevent us. This was not true when myself and Padraig founded the Irish Republican movement in eRepublik almost five years ago, but it is now.
As Republicans, it is our duty to maximise the dignity of the Irish Republic in the eyes of the world. Joining a dispersed alliance does not achieve that, even if it does allow us to have NI for brief periods. Alliance may bring us the opportunity for a region swap as well, and national unity may be achieved at last through diplomacy and unity in Europe.
DUTY
As such, I hereby announce that I am in full support, barring any changed circumstances, of Ireland's membership of TWO/ACT.
Furthermore, regardless of whether or not the current President fails to bring negotiations forward to join TWO/ACT, and barring any other changes in circumstance, I intend for the position of President of the Republic on a platform of membership, increased military and economic strength, and dignity for the country.
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o7
Interesting.
Let's just be honest here... we will NEVER be given TWO membership. It's a fools errand to try.
eEngland will not abide giving us an equal voice in any alliance they are a part of.
Early start, eh? Well good luck then
It's good for business 😛
well at least your opening some proper debate on the situation...
i believe our CP is to work out peace talks with the UK for now, not join the biggest douche alliance before the people have a vote.
I think it's clear at this stage that every alliance has massive douches involved. Welcome to eRepublik.
There's truth in that statement. Except Ireland has to choose whether or not to join the biggest douche, betray most of her allies, join the smaller douche, betray some of her allies, or look to a smaller alliance. I know the people will vote CoT before TWO. I'll accept whatever they choose though. I for one will vote Asgard or NaN, depending on the near future.
Doesn't matter what we do, we're going to betray allies. TWO will betray some, CoT will betray others, and the smaller alliances may betray all of them.
Not to mention the Poles are as much our brothers as the Croatians; they know what occupation and oppression feels like as a people.
True, but if both are our brothers in that sense, we now have to look at which nation has helped Ireland for the longest time. Until MUFCs fall from the kunts, everyone had accepted Croatia as Ireland's closest ally, with no other nation in the game ever helping us as much. I had to do much asking around to get this info.
Spoland on the other hand was quite the opposite, and has occupied our closest friends time and time again. There is hope in the smaller nations. I see no way at the moment that either could betray our friends. Both NaN and Asgard have been doing well building ties with ex-EDEN nations. CoT and TWO on the other hand, we are guaranteed to fight against our former allies.
Lastly, CoT is becoming the underdog. I'd rather fight both CoT and TWO while they pick at one another. We can do that in a smaller alliance. But if it came down to it, and i had to choose between the two, I along with most of ireland would definitely choose CoT.
That's complete bull. Poland in eRepublik is a bully and a boss with a big empire designed to wipe or cow opponents.
Poland is a bully to many, so is Croatia. I'm sure the Indians think so. Indonesia is a bully to others, etc etc.
There are no countries that we can ally with that are clean in terms of the great powers.
Poland is a bully because of its size, but otherwise they've got more honour than most countries imo. You can't blame them for playing the game like its meant to be played.
Still, I don't think eIreland is best served by joining TWO. If (and it's a big if) we were able to get into TWO/ACT, we might have considerably more security, but we lose any sense of autonomy/purpose.
If the possibility existed to gain a United Ireland, and change direction from the frankly now boring cycle of war with Britain and long peace, I'm not sure everyone would vote CoT. As for smaller alliances, there's not much good we can do caught between CoT and TWO. I admire NaN, it's an effective alliance for its purpose, but its purpose isn't ambitious enough for what Ireland needs.
Not to mention that CoT has already been rejected by the people, and not much has changed with that alliance since then bar the USA joining. The US isn't exactly the most extroverted country at the moment.
I expect, should they decide to greet us, that our place in TWO won't be a long lived dream. They, like CoT, when the two alliances collide, will want every nation they can get, and may promise us a united Ireland. But TWO is about remaining small and powerful, while letting it's puppet ACT have a go at someone every now and then for fun. When it gains too many nations like EDEN had, it won't be able to maintain its damage management like it has. They even disbanded ONE because they weren't feeling some of the nations in it anymore.
Look at how France has been treated, the Netherlands has had no relief, and how Germany's peace with Poland went recently. Tell me they can be trusted. Just because we've been occupied doesn't mean we should want to occupy. So why join TWO? Just to gain a United Ireland and sit still giving all our damage to Spoland after? Or attacking Canada when we get bored? I'm not for that at all. I'm sorry.
TWO can make promises they'll most likely break, and force us to have no choice but to fight our allies.
CoT will atleast help us fight for a United Ireland and win, with more leniency with who we attack.
the most recent vote showed CoT favored over TWO though
and before i go to bed... CoT and TWO have always been different sides of the same coin. I see this taking the same route that Australia's attempt to join CoT took. "If you can't beat em, join em", then they let you think you're a member while they use you until you get fed up and realize you've wasted your time.
France's problems are partially their own; they've had weak governments in the past, and poor diplomacy.
Our allies can change, we can't be friends with everyone. This is a war game, feelings will be hurt. There are no good choices, only degrees of bad choices.
You're not really making a point about Spoland, the vast majority of the time, we were just giving our damage away to EDEN. That's what you get when you have weak or incompetent government. We are no more slaves to Croatia by friendship than we are to Argentina or Poland by alliance.
Your small country alliance point has merit, but I'm sorry, if Ireland wants to play in the big leagues, our hands are going to have to be dirty. A United Ireland makes playing in the big leagues worth it, in my opinion.
France/Germany both have a deal with Poland and those are being honoured...
Netherlands are still at war with Poland, until they surrender they can expect nothing, and France deserves it for joining EDEN and being useless diplomatically. Germany's agreement means Poland can hold onto Saxony and with the loss of Saxony they needed to get back the region, as per the agreement.
We will never surrender.
Oh, and just a little info, Poland broke their last deal they had with us so we in turn "broke" a deal we had placed with them in which they used multi's to pay for our share of a region deal. They cannot be trusted and they care nothing for their "allies".
It is not surrender.
Just remember, CoT just chose Russia over one of their own members, Lithuania. If you think they are any better than TWO as an entity then you're living in some dream.
I'd rather be th oppressor than the oppressed.
Definitely something to think about. Although I must admit my instincts that are telling me to be wary of any alliance that Poland and the UK are a part of. Funny how bias works, even though I know it isn't the same game it was 2 years ago.
Aye, such feelings are understandable, but they also have to be understood in the context of our greatest aim; A 32 Country, Democratic-Socialist Republic.
No real Republican can ignore the possibility of a more permanent United Ireland. Ireland free can be at peace.
Look at the map, Ireland is united, you just have to re-apply for UK citizenship. 😉
You turn your back on many if you join TWO. You also show just how cowardly you are because you can't handle a little wipe by the UK.
Us Dutch know what it means to be wiped for months at a time, and yet we still resist. No surrender.
It's not a surrender to anything or anyone. And we've been wiped by the UK before, many times. It is a matter of looking at the world as we see it, and what our objectives as a nation are, and making a decision.
neither alliance will promise you a United Ireland unless its a region rent to the UK...
CoT might promise it but you won't keep it. Militarily, the only way to hold onto UK regions by Ireland is if the UK lets you for a longer time. Which, as long as we can sell region rent to the nationalists in the UK, is the only way to do it...and even then it would come with a conditional shift in alliances to ACT.
Realistically, this is probably what would be demanded for a 'United Ireland' that isn't Ireland with the treaty up for review every month. Under CoT, you may get it for a few days/weeks/maybe months, but ultimately, the damage will flip our way again and you will get wiped. Lets face it, unlike in WW5, Poland is sitting on the border and France is neutral, Canada is wiped.
the alternative to all this is we win and keep you occupied, or another nation does. TWO has an advantage at the moment over CoT, especially in Western Europe, which they lacked in 2011.
A region swap would be the idea.
I don't believe TWO would have us even if we wanted to
the only block would be the UK...as long as were onside, your entry would be pretty much ensured. No-one else in TWO has a problem with you.
Indeed, but I'm confident that exorcising our demons will insure good relations with the UK. This fight has gotten too ugly to ignore recently.
I don't really see it tbh. We've friends on either side, but USA has been an eternal friend. Croatia will go CoT, and they've huge connections with us.
Most of Bulgaria is down for us also.
Can you see the eIrish fighting against these countries in favour of Spain, UK, Serbia (ffs SERBIA!) and to a lesser extent Poland.
Cuz I just believe eIrish hearts would be in it.
100% correct.
I would actually support membership in TWO where the member nations have a voice. I would never support membership in ACT where the puppets must only do as the master commands.
TWO will never accept us. We are not big enough, and the eUK will never allow themselves to view us as equals.
ACT is an alliance we should want no part of.
Unless it was on a temporary basis, that isn't an unreasonable idea
If they pretend they want us to spend a "probationary membership" period for TWO by putting us in ACT, you should not trust it Brian.
It is my opinion they would only do that to alienate us from our old friends. When it came time to actually step up to TWO, the eUK would block it with every ounce of political capital they can muster. And they can muster quite a lot.
They are adept at political manipulation. Look how they have pulled the wool over Poland and Serbia's eyes for years. eEngland has allowed them to believe they have more power in the decisions, than they actually do. Just look at how long an Englishman was SC the ONE alliance, and how many of them hold places of influence in the ears of the big multi-nations.
eEngland will never allow us in TWO, Brian. If you accept a "temporary" place in ACT, then you will only be falling into an obvious political pit trap. They will never want us to have a voice equal to theirs.
In short, since ACT is a no-go, and TWO will never let us in... then switching allegiances away from our historic allies is folly. The only path is to hope all non-TWO/ACT nations come to their senses and realize the only way to survive is to work together.
There needs to be a new mega-alliance if there is to be a new world war. Right now it's just TWO domination, as long as Argilumbia are adding their D1-D2 multi dominance to Sperbioland's D3-D4 multi-dominance.
Whether or not TWO would let us in is dependant on many factors that can change. Sure, we're never getting in with certain people in government, but most of the British top brass aren't unreasonable.
Except when our top brass is.
Either way, the conflict between our countries has gotten exceedingly ugly, we're seeing ultranationalists on both sides emerging. That needs to be crushed.
If you get us a real offer of full TWO membership with an equal voice in the decision making structure, then you will have my support. I sincerely doubt you can obtain such an opportunity, though.
Do not let yourself get conned into ACT puppet exile. That offer is only a trap... be smarter than that.
Got my vote comrade o7
Youre not simple tho nor are u a pig so dont count on EA or ILP support.
Stop calling people pigs. If you have valid insults, use them.
They can hardly be people if theyre pigs retard.
I was quite surprised to read this article, but in a good way. I fully support joining TWO.
shouldhavevotedmikebane
2013/05
Ireland in the worst alliance ingame, along with UK?!
You didn't guess it right this time...
Mate, you can't even talk at this point. Your lot have brought this country to its knees.