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Some of those people have gone into 2-clicking.
People like Zagarius/M.Warmonger have no excuse.

You're still a lame troll.Cheers.

Iz be havingz mah doubts. fail troll failing again?

shameful.

He's right.

Tzahal I believe is almost definitely a two clicker, so its not really his fault.

It takes more than 2 clicks to fight....

However, we are officially allied with Brazil, helping ANY country defend their home regions is morally correct, and helping defend Brazil in their home country could be of strategic benefit to eSA - anything that may increase our chances of getting Gauteng back by diplomatic means is a good thing.

Brazil will never give Gauteng back willingly. Defending them after they threatened to wipe us off the face of the map repeatedly is an act only done by someone who is utterly clueless, utterly stupid or utterly against his own country.

What are you? An utter fool?

Answer my questions Zag...

What are you? A Brazilover?

Were this coming from any other person, it'd be creditable. But Exilious has time and time again shown his only interest is in harming South Africa. One has only to read comments on numerous articles in the past to see his true intentions.

What epic said, basically.

Zagarius we had specific orders NOT TO FIGHT FOR BRAZIL. What is your reason for going against Presidential orders? For once I have to agree vir Arch Bishop Marmaduke

Like I said in the article, I'm only showing the facts. It's up to you the readers to decide how you feel about this.

I'm not trying to answer for Zag's crimes. He should inform people of his reasons for betraying presidential orders.

Sorry people I see I appear here, it was Friday and wasn't really paying attention or reading papers.

I only used two Q1 weapons, if it makes a difference.

I'm sorry Frank, I know I said I'd keep my mouth shut for a while, but this is ridiculous.

I think Zagarius owes all of us an explanation.
Some of the names I know are two-clickers, but that really is no excuse.

And for those defending this by saying foster good relations with eBrazil in the hope of getting Gauteng back diplomatically.....are you for real? What makes you think Gauteng will be returned to us because we helped save eBrazil? Not even having an MPP with them and allowing land swaps put us in SUCH good graces with the eBrazillians.

But that is irrelevant.
Regardless of what Exi has done in the past, and regardless of his motives for revealing this information, the point remains that anyone could have looked up the information.
It is an utter disgrace to see a presidential candidate disobey direct orders from the (at the time) current president.
I think Zagarius just blew ANY AND ALL chance he had of beating Mark Morcom in the election.....

@Frank & Epic Thoughts: If the search engine belonged to Marmadouche, I would have doubted it's credibility. But eReptools is one of the first trackers to be used in this game and so far it has been the one I trust most. The fact that Zagarius has also yet to issue any statement other than: "What are you? An utter fool?" and his most recent shout indicate that he did it.

How someone who claims to have vast in-game experience, be member of the eSAAF and p much sees himself as the best choice for eSouth Africa do such a noobish mistake is beyond me.

Another article to try and split eSA but at the same time, it is important to know which non two clickers went against official orders.

Upsetting to say the least! This is important, too bad it came from Exilious since that removes any credibility with the general population. Voted!

this mistake happened in all countrys. this is not reason to call peoples TRAITORS

Well as a new citizen, I don't have much of a say in this, but as a citizen I do think, that I have the right to post what I THINK of this....

1. It seems that there is confusion on whether or not to fight for Brazil or not to fight for Brazil. This is a lesson to learn, especialy for those running this eCountry. MAKE SURE- that everyone is aware who we are SUPPOSED to fight for, and who we are not to fight for.

2. Make sure that our allies know if we are going to support them during wartime, or if we aren't, so that we know who is telling the truth regarding attacking or not.

Anyways, just my 2 cents 🙂

You should all know I have little if no time for Marmadouche. But Lutan and Maradouche are right. Why did you fight for Brazil Zag? I only know of one reason. For personal gain only. To increase experence points.

Shameful.

@Beufort
All citizens have a right to freedom of speech and opinion (or at least they should).

But, just to put this in perspective for you.

Zagarius is NOT a two-clicker. Zagarius was running for Country President against Mark Morcom. Zagarius is active and he knew what was going on.
People like Boere Generaal has been rather inactive because of real life. I know, because I miss the lengthy discussions we have.

Anyway, the real problem here is not that two-clickers fought for eBrazil against presidential orders, but rather that eSA citizens did about 18K damage. That is a considerable amount. And while we're considering, we might as well consider the fact that the majority of two-clickers do not do much damage. So, either there was a helluva lot of two-clicking going on, or some of our more experienced citizens who know the situation and the politics, deliberately disobeyed direct orders from not only the eSAAF, but also Mr Morcom.

This is the main concern.

@kiwifire
I agree that it is shameful.
And I think the loyal eSA citizens deserve a straight answer from Zagarius.
I have no doubt that his latest act of treason cost him a lot of votes.
And I'll make a fairly confident prediction that if he isn't able to spin some sort of logical answer to this, that he will not have another chance at CP for at least 3 or 4 months.

sabah was secured and it was late in the day ok i am sorry it was part of routine ok i didn't use weapons either so my apologies

Nick Jones
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I'm sure some of these were honest mistakes, although I wouldn't expect this from old-timers and supposed eSA patriots like Zag, Martin, Boere and ERD. It's hard to believe they didn't know what they were doing.

Nice to see no DBers screwed up or turned traitor, although I wouldn't expect any of them to be there. Too bad Exilious reported this. Lowers the credibility a couple notches.

What is this, I don't even?

@Jizzie
Well, Boere has been out of the loop for a while. But you're right, it really is no excuse.
I can't speak for the others, as I don't know them very well.

Everyone keeps saying too bad Exilious reported this.
Why does it make any difference? Don't we want to know who disobeys orders? Shouldn't the eSAAF check these things themselves?
We had direct orders not to defend eBrazil. We were told we would receive a warning and possibly be suspended from the military.
The eSAAF should have seen this, but they didn't.

Exilious can't change or edit the figures. Those are figures from the eRep databse. Are we really going to dismiss the facts simply because Exilious exposed it?

Maybe Exilious learned his lesson. I'm saying maybe.
I'm not saying he should be trusted.

But the point remains.....the facts don't lie....

HAIL EDEN! f... cheaters!

this man is a trolling, hacking, asshole who for some reason hasnt been banned yet...i dont believe him

From what I see we are allies, I honour a comitment even though it may seem wrong. If we don't obey rules what are we but animals.

Bolayiza, there are no "rules"
only honor codes...but since Brazil has taken advantage of us and depleted all honor or respect from us, we do not owe them anything. how 'bout gauteng? dont you think if brazil gave a dam about us we'd have control of one of OUR regions

A couple of question, apologies if they sound childish but I am only recently returned.

1. Then why did we form an alliance with them?
2. Did they not fight along side us in freeing some of our provinces a few days ago?

I can tell you exactly why the majority of the people on that list (includuing myself) would fight the war and that is beacuse they logon and work for their company, then they go to the training ground and do their bit there and they fight in a war if they can to earn the points for that. At that point, providing they have time, they start wading through the rest of the Ads, newsflashes, articles and everything else that is occuring. People have real lives and this is just a game, they will do the quick bits that they have to do every day first and do the more optional bits (like reading what on some days can be an inordinate ammount of twaddle) later.

Personally, having now caught up with the days musings, I apologise for doing something that turned out to be against a presedential order. If I had seen the presedential declaration first I would not have done it. However, branding us all a traitor is extremely strong words for something that is a very easy error to make.

@Bolayiza
1. The MPP was part of the land-swap agreement we had with eBrazil to avoid a potentia PTO. This MPP expires in about 2 days, if I'm not mistaken.

2. Two-clickers. Same problem we had with people not reading articles and orders.

@Worms13
People do have real lives. And it's hard to keep up sometimes.
You would have noticed that most of us don't blame the two-clickers. It happens.

The person being called a traitor by some, is Zagarius.
Zagarius is not a two-clicker, up-to-date with all recent events and even ran for presidency.

We had the same thing happen here as what happene with eBrazillian two-clickers fighting for us.
Plus, eBrazillian propoganda articles flooding our media doesn't help either.

Honestly, I think it was just a simple mistake on Zags part. Who hasn't done something stupid on here? I know I have...I just didn't have trolls make it public. Besides even if he hadn't fought, the results of the war would be the same.

FAKE!

I can't believe it!!! I AM ACTUALLY IN THE TOP-10 OF SOMETHING!!! Thank you Exilious. Even if it were for murder.

I think some of you need to calm down. You are making it seem like Zag is over there fanning the Brazilian pres with a palm leaf. He didn't even do a thousand damage and he had no outcome in the total battle. Some of you just straight out don't like Zag, which in the end is fine, but don't try to ruin his name because of something stupid like this. A lot of you that are bitching have defiantly fought when ordered not to, or not fought when ordered to fight.