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I just skimmed the article, so forgive me if my general impression is off, but it seems to me that you didn't really set out any new policies in this. It just sounds like you're supporting all the new stuff that Dish got working this past month. Sure, that's all well and good, they're good policies, that are for the most part working very well. But what sorts of new ideas do you have to make eUK even better?

hey tommy. in general a good manifesto but as intrepid has pointed out not toomany new things.

Secondly the NHS is still in the process of getting set up and so far we have done agood job with all the in game difficulties.

Thirdly you realise that you cant run anyway, as you have to be Level 13 to do so.

So the MDU either needs to choose someone else, or support one of the Big 3 candidates.

Pertamax

good manifesto, good luck

@Jerry
About the experience minimum, he's on the list right now for candidates. Is this a bug, or did admins purposefully remove the restriction?

@ jerry : I think u have to be lvl 14 to run.

Oh and URKP FTW. Dish is going to be the next president!!!!!!1

@srachit:
Tommy made it onto the candidate list, and he's only level 11. I think it's a bug.
And its UKRP, not URKP.
And I wouldn't count on Dish getting a free ride. Tim almost won last election, and I think this one will probably be close, too.

@intrepid13:
Srry about the URKP bit, was type a bit fast.
Dont worry Dish will win again. Dish has worked really hard this term and has got things done. He also has political experience. What I have learnt from this article is that tommy doesnt have new idea's and doesnt have any political experience.

i have the unlock features pack, so i don't need to be a certain level to run.

Meanwhile i do propose a number of new things within the manifesto itself, but i believe supporting what is already going well in certain areas is essential to the continued success of eUK.

Areas I strongly believe need changing and mentioned in the manifesto include

SBA,
New Citizens,
Trade Unions,
Funding of Military.

Its true that i'm in accordance and agree with some of the policies Dish has done well in trying to implement this term. Simply because I am running in an election against him does not mean I will disagree with bad ideas. Often however I do not think (such as in terms of the SBA) that the idea is fully formed, or organized as it should be.

In a manifesto of course, its impossible to cover absolutely everything, otherwise you would have a huge essay - there's so many facets to eUK. What I really want to do is give the public an idea of who i am, where i'm coming from.

My particular area of interest is the integration of new citizens into society, and here is an area where i believe my relative 'inexperience' that other candidates might make reference to will actually be a benefit. I have gone through the process of being new, in the new version much more recently, and have a clear, fairly recent picture in my mind of what new citizens go through in their first few days and weeks.

I arnt saying that there is something wrong with following dish's ideas I am just saying that u should have posted on what new things you are going to bring into congress.

I don't understand you, I have.
Everything I have listed is not currently the way I have explained it should be.
Take the SBA for example, the first thing i mention in my manifesto. Dish proposed the SBA. If you look at MDU manifesto, an extremely similar was there (which i drafted), its not simply that i'm copying Dish srachit. A similar plan was my idea also, and though i'm glad its been created it does not actually offer the kind of support I believe it should. One of my first aims as President would be to completely overhaul the SBA. Dish proposed to tackle the problem by offering no-interest loans. I believe that's just avoiding tackling the actual root of the problem (as i explained in the manifesto).

Everything I have mentioned I would do differently to how it is currently being done as i have written, so i don't understand your point.

If you mean the 'current schemes' section which is 3 lines long, where i affirm my commitment to 2 schemes which are already in place, this is merely because people should know what their candidate believes in. I'm running a positive campaign here. If somethings currently working, I'm going to tell people I think this works, so i would give that my full support if I were to be in government.

If you're looking for me to run a negative campaign, its not what you'll get. I'm going to focus on what I can change, what I can improve.

If you don't think I would be doing anything different then that's your call, but I'd suggest you're reading the manifesto wrong. Its not simply saying 'this works' but 'this would work, this is how i would make it work'.

I wish Dish and the other candidates luck, and look forward to posting further campaign notes about particular issues such as the Wars to come, the House of Lords & other eUK issues.

I think you have some good ideas but you don't have a lot of people in your party. You could back a certain party if they promised to incorporate your views, such as form a coalition.
Just suggesting

Presidential Elections aren't about how many people you have in your party, its about the best candidate for the job. MDU is growing rapidly, and we feel its time we reflect this by putting someone forward. That someone is me.

I offer a real alternative - a newer politician from a newer party with a fresher outlook. I find it humorous that certain comments in response seem to think i haven't presented anything different, when i fact I have taken the current situation and said what I think needs changing with it.

And the current situation is at the end of a term by the current President. Don't get me wrong, I think Dish has done a great job, but there's things I would like to see differently.

Judging someone on their experience points level is pretty much an insult to the dozens of fairly new, but completely politically and sociologically involved citizens, who have just as great an input as someone with double their experience. Numbers are not everything, its about self belief, willpower, activity & ideas. I believe I have all four.

I feel in some way also now that i represent this group of citizens.

Tommy is a highly active, knowledgable and dedicated candidate. His in game experience level is completely irrelevant; he has shown himself to be a brilliant player of the game and a truly focused politician.

As current President of the MDU I am proud to propose and endorse Tommy with all my heart as are the party.

Dishmcds has been a fantastic President and it will be completely up to the voter to decide, but what is the point of having a democracy if the people do not have a viable alternative option, and we believe we have found that in Tommy.

@ Tommy
Well, to the general public, apparently, it seems that you think that there is very little that needs changing. As such, there's really no reason to do anything other than "stay the course" with Dish. And as such, there's no real "Alternative". If you think that we, as in, everyone who has commented on this manifesto, "read it wrong" then maybe you should have run it past someone before publishing it. Because it seems to us that there isn't anything revolutionary, no "fresher outlook". It sounds like you could just make the changes you're talking about by PMing someone in charge, or posting your ideas in the Public Discussion part of the HoC. We don't need to elect you, if you aren't going to do anything to build upon past successes, and just make minute adjustments to things already essentially in place.

Polotics is all about the small changes that make a great difference that's why all the parties are centre this or that and not far right or far left.

I simply meant revolutionary in terms of new. It can be small changes, but I think that in order to make it worth running a presidential platform on, it can't just be changes to existing programs.

that's a highly ridiculous statement.

so i see the SBA and i see the NHS, and i believe i can make them function better for the citizen. but i shouldn't say anything? i should instead think about some new organization i could create without one being necessary?

no thanks.

I've proposed the New Citizen Department which I think would have a huge impact on new citizens within eUK.

I've also proposed some major major reforms to the SBA, Trade Union system and called for a review of the NHS.

Given a months time in office, that is a lot to do if one wants to actually complete something.

I think you lose your focus on the real issues.
I'm a realist.

@Tommie: Just curiously have one question. You've never even served in the House of Commons, proposed one change on the forums, or been active on the forums hardly at all. Why not?

@ Dish (if you don't mind me adding these words on his behalf from the MDU view)

Tommy was proposed as our Commons rep but the party decided it would be best if that was taken up by me (as party leader) and Json (who has experience within the Commons), in order that Tommy could focus on the presidential campaign.

He has been an extremely active member of the party forums and wrote an entire comprehensive first draft of our party's most recent manifesto. He continues to be a highly trustworthy and active party member and has done a fantastic job as Press and Membership Officer making us grow to the 6th largest party on eRep in the space of one month.

@ Tommy
Explain to me, step by step, how what I said is ridiculous in the slightest. Because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding between me and you.

I never said not to say anything! I told you you should say it! Post it on the forums, tell your congressman to put it up for a vote (After following procedures) Do all the things normal citizens do when they want to improve something! Just don't expect us to vote you in as President for a month based on a bunch of improvements to policies that could be discussed, voted on, and passed/denied in a week.

intrepid then you could say whats the point of having a president? i'm just confused as to what you expect.
I'm planning a whole new rather huge department in the New Citizen Department, with the young population being the core to my manifesto.
Meanwhile im proposing complete reform of other policies! Complete change to the SBA - while keeping the same name I believe it should be doing a completely different job!
I'm proposing the complete scrapping of the current Trade Union system also.

I'm offering a different method of tackling companies financial crisis.
A different method of encouraging and supporting new citizens.
A complete overhaul of Trade Unions.


Anything that a President proposes could be put forward to congress, and discussed.

A President is someone who sets an example, is a point of contact in eUK, is highly organized and efficient, and someone who has the self belief that he can bring together/unite congress for one goal.

It is not someone who is going to make radical outlandish statements merely to win some support for an election.

wow i really repeated myself there.

@Tommy: It was an honest question, was it not? Our forums are the centrepiece of our society, which in case you hadnt noticed are the best in Erepublik. It's where policy, Government, and Commons are done. So how the hell is that a personal cynical dig? It seems you're the one choosing to overreact from an honest question.

@CV: Just because he isnt your rep, doesnt mean he couldnt be posting in Public Discussion, since it's required that legislation pass through there to begin with.

And to the rest, we have spots in Cabinet we can't even fill because of participation, so I'd like some clarification on how you expect to fill a "huge" department of New Citizen Monitors. Trade Unions are unlikely due to participation, and so on. You're merely piggybacking on things we already have in motion whilst you have zero, and I'll say this once again, ZERO experience or technical knowledge of MOST of Erepublik.

So, if you want to think it's personal, you might. But I'm not willing to go down quietly to someone who can't answer one honest question without ruffling his shorts.

Ok, I'll reply point by point

New Citizen Department= Sure sounds, to me, at least, like Ministry of Education, except, harder to quantify. What are the criteria for receiving an award? who tracks down the new people? How do you get it publicized? that, and many other questions would be asked if you want it proposed. sure, it's a good idea, and fairly original, especially compared to many of the others.

SBA- No one's applied for it yet. since there's no demand, as of yet, for the service, how can you be sure it needs an overhaul? While I can see where you are coming from, in terms of that, how would that help the current market situation? the whole point of the SBA as it is now is to help companies pay wages until their workers level up, so that they produce enough goods for each worker to turn a profit for the company.

Trade Unions- Is there actually such a thing? never heard of it, and as such, yes, it probably does need reforming. Although, I can't think of how it would actually help people. There'd be a near infinite supply of "scabs" to keep company labour in place, if a strike was ever attempted.

You don't need to even be in congress to propose something! all you have to do is put it in the Public Discussion part of the HoC, and convince a congressman to sponsor it. I'm sure that with a bit of modification by more experienced players, all of your reforms would pass. Its just that I, personally, don't feel that this platform is strong enough to support a run for President.

Yes, Trade Unions were established in KIA's second term, but failed due to lack of participation by people. They were too hard to advertise, and we couldnt get good quality leaders to get them going. I believe it was Bob that proposed a reform in them to get them going, which I supported but the problem with inactivity still remains until there are at least 5 people who will do NOTHING but Trade Unions. That's how we got the NHS going, was with Jerry doing nothing but the NHS, so the Unions are no different. Especially with the minimum wage, I'd like to know exactly what good a union will do as well.

Dish, you vastly underestimate the power eUK has in its younger citizens. Giving them responsibility, getting them involved. To have 6 trade unions was ridiculous, a case of spreading too thin. That's why I want to reform the whole system to one well organized and publicized organization. But there are new citizens who want to be given responsibility, want to get involved.

You seem to caught up on the idea of experience being everything. I'm all for giving newer citizens more responsibility, and giving them a chance to shine.

On the SBA - its nothing to do with its performance but the very way it proposes to tackle issues. I don't believe the way its set up will deal with the actual issue in the first place. I want to make a real change to companies from their birth, not just try and head off difficulty by waving money at it later on.

Trade Unions - yes there is but they are inactive. 6 were set up which needs to be reformed to one. It was a good idea but a case of the spreading too thin.

I am too. Ask anyone who's PMed me, and they'll tell you I dont deny anyone, regardless of affiliation.

You seem to forget that you actually do need to know what actually exists before trying to change things.

And I'll repeat the same thing I said to others when they asked about paying Government Ministries: If so many people want to be involved, why is Keitarour so overworked in the DoW without Apprentices, or three Ministries open? You overestimate the number of people who truly want to be as involved as you think.

http://forum.erepublik.co.uk/government-policies-f84/amendment-to-apprenticeship-scheme-t4747.htm

Dish is getting new players involved, too. He is just using government programs, such as the Apprenticeship Scheme (link above) to do that, so as not to throw the inexperienced players into the deep end. I'm a new player, and I'm currently an apprentice to Squiddy, the current MoFA. He's incredibly approachable. If you are new, and you want to get involved in government, all you have to do is PM him, and he'll suggest numerous ways to get involved.

And tell me, Tommy, what exactly would a Trade Union Do?

PS- Dish, way to always get your opinion in just a minute before me 😛

PS I wrote that last week, which pretty much covers "New Businesses"

http://www.erepublik.co.uk/economy.html

Hey! Your buddy Horice did that too! I claim, as my own, the title of the original person to declare that you have no new ideas. Dish simply asked a question. And you construed it as a personal attack, and attacked him. So he did what every other politician in eUK would do (besides TUP) and attacked back.

And I just reread Bremer's article, and it is true: Nowhere in that article does it say anything about the policies he wishes to pursue. At least you have policies. All Bremer has is a history of his political involvement (which you don't have any of). So Dish's comment is true.

No, I haven't attacked Dish, I have great respect for him and the work he's done the past month. I did in fact vote for him at the previous elections. What I do attack is the lack of focus on real issues. Obviously we have a different idea of what these are, I believe the issues are based within society & economics, not how many forum posts i made last week.

And you'd probably like to note that Bremer's article isn't his policy, just an announcement that he is the candidate.

And as that goes, I will refuse to get drawn into negative politics. if you have questions relating to real issues I'll be happy to answer them.

You have a hell of a way of showing your "respect".
While, yes, the issues are firmly rooted in socio-economic problems, your lack of involvement in the forums is disheartening. I'm only a few days older than you, and I can't tell you how many hours I've put in on the forum, at first, catching up on the history of eRep, and then making my voice heard on policy issues, and I'm not even running for president. You can't not expect Dish to bring up experience, because that's vital in this game. while it's all well and good to have fresh ideas, a lot of things are are really great ideas just don't work in eRep, and you really need someone experienced to tell you this.

I've put many questions to you about genuine policy issues, like the very first one, which was "what sorts of new ideas do you have to make eUK even better?" but since all of them were answered with more mumbo-jumbo from your manifesto, I give up on asking policy questions.

Simply because I don't post doesn't mean i'm not there and neither means I am in anyway unable to do the job.

I knew experience would be brought up in the election yes, and openly acknowledge other candidates have bucketloads more experience. But i haven't put myself forward as an experienced candidate, so don't understand why Dish is focusing on attacking this, rather than putting himself forward based on his own policies and experience.

Yes it does, because if you're unwilling/unable to put forth your opinions and ideas as a common citizen, why would voting you for president suddenly make you able to control a whole nation?

Well, you so eloquently put forth his policies in your manifesto, so why does he need to?
That was a joke. laugh.

Dish's time as PM speaks for itself. If the people want a continuation of this, then he will be re-elected.

I also would argue that he isn't attacking you. He originally asked a very good question, considering that the majority of a president's duties are on the forum. And his other comment stuck specifically to the issue, the issue being that since he can't find 2 people to run 2 ministries for him, how are you going to motivate people to be part of a "huge" number of New Citizen Monitors?

tommy actually it matters if u are active on forms or not. Coz thats well all the activity of EUK goes on and thats where all hidden talents are got our. Thats also the place where you get to know others so that they know who u are and are you a person who should be voted for. I myself did not know who u are and I have stayed in UK for a quiet some time now(not as much as dish and shadow and those guys).

See? srachit is only a few days older than me, and therefore, probably a week older than you. But he was active on the forums, and he actually helped negotiate India's freedom! And He realizes the importance of the forums.

I'd like to point something out: Why wouldnt I want new people to get involved? It only makes my life easier. You claiming that I undervalue new citizens is rather rediculous if you look at it in the proper context.

Great article.

Really like some of your ideas.

"Often however I do not think (such as in terms of the SBA) that the idea is fully formed, or organized as it should be. "

It's a brand new idea. We can't assume that the plan will work completely. Right now we are working through the process with our VERY FIRST client. The details of this loan shall remain unknown to the public until a contract is fully signed.

However, me and Dnouser are two businessmen who are planning on working this system until we get it right. We can't just say "WORK!" and expect everything to go according to plan. The two of us are going to be smart about who we loan to. After all, this is government money we're handling

What ideas, Bremer? You hardly take a stance on anything.

It's a real shame that such a successful President now engages in such low means by way of campaigning.

Thanks for your positive comment Bremer, the MDU wishes you the best of luck.

"It's a real shame that such a successful President now engages in such low means by way of campaigning."

Actually, you attacked me. I'm not going to sit around and not defend myself. You could actually choose to answer some of my questions without being so confrontational, but I guess thats me.

I didn't attack you, merely highlighted that once again it seems destined for some to fall into merely personal attacks rather than focusing on the real issues.

What I mean by this is rather than telling the public your strong points, and why you would make a good President (even if you state 'I have the most experience of the bunch') and how your policy will change their eUK lives, with 4 days to go we're already seeing both on this manifesto, and slightly on bremers first post detailing that he would be running that the focus seems to be rather on why you shouldn't choose the other candidates. It's called negative politics, and not generally something the public are interested in.

They can see that I have lower experience points for themselves. They can see the job you've done the past month. They can read my manifesto for themselves and make up their own minds, as they can do with every other candidate.

Debates on issues are of course forthcoming. But I strongly urge you to campaign on why you are good for eUK, rather than why others are bad.

*for a second term