To the citizens of EDEN
Papen83
Today I saw a comment in the Greek press claiming that “Bulgaria caused the biggest and longest crisis in EDEN’s history” and many other comments trying to undermine the decision of EDEN to finally terminate the trial status of Turkey.
I guess many people formed their opinion only based on a log they saw from the last EDEN summit. And in my opinion this changed the focus from the real problem. I will try to compensate for this gap as I am the vMoFA of Bulgaria. You will then decide for yourself who is to blame.
Let me start with the origin of this crisis. The crisis was generated by these member states in EDEN who decided to not respect the Bulgarian veto for Turkey and invented the idiotic concept of "permanent TRIAL member" in order to avoid the veto that the Bulgarian people expressed in a referendum! I am sure that most of the citizens in EDEN understand perfectly that no alliance can endure long enough if any of its members cannot use its right to veto new candidates. I tried to explain this in an open letter to the Greek citizens some 15 days ago. I will summarize it here again:
Imagine EU and NATO in Real Life and there you have USA or Germany telling the Greeks - "You guys MUST forget about your right of VETO! We will accept the Republic of Macedonia in our alliance and we do not want to hear a thing about your feelings and your name dispute with this country!".
Do you believe that if this happens such an alliance will keep existing?? Will you like this attitude from your allies? THINK! Look at yourself first and then judge on the others. So the first thing that you miss is the fact that all problems would be avoided if EDEN was to respect the most important rule in any alliance – if there is a veto by any member for the entrance of another country – this country should not be allowed to stay any longer in the structures of the union. It is there in the EDEN Treaty but nevertheless we got penalized instead and our rights were even limited for a while 10 days ago.
And here comes the second issue – Bulgaria actually was the first to make a step back and proposed a compromise. Under these circumstances most states would play the role of an angry kid and leave right away if EDEN meant nothing to them – but we kept fighting for our right to stay. First we hold another referendum to show that EDEN is still supported by the Bulgarian population. Then in order to make everybody happy again we offered Turkey direct membership in GEA. GEA is actually the official door to EDEN membership. It was an official decision to recognize the Turkish trial status despite of the veto referendum. It was an act in which the Bulgarian government made the biggest possible compromise – the one with its people’s public opinion! Even though as a result of the veto referendum we were working for months to terminate the Turkish trial, we decided to stop insisting on it. Turkey was just supposed to show a sign of good faith as well. So in return we asked for two regions that Turkey does not need at all - neither core, nor resource-giving (like most of the 30+ regions that Turkey has)! These regions would boost our economy and for Turkey they are useless. EDEN (both high officials and several country presidents) also promised that if we do this compromise and Turkey rejects it – then Turkish trial will be terminated. What did the Turks do? They rejected the offer! EDEN kept its promise and that is the end of story.
I am sorry that in the logs that you read the accent is not focused enough on these two points that are practically the reasons for the solution of this conflict. But I can assure you that all of this is true and I can prove it all with logs as well.
So please do not put the blame on Bulgaria. None of this would have happened if Turkish trial status was terminated right after the VETO coming from our referendum, or if the Turkish side was to agree to the compromise of giving nothing to get its trial status recognized by Bulgaria. All of these efforts were done by us – and EDEN finally showed the respect that its full member deserve. Sadly it all went too far to the point in which already EDEN had simply to choose Bulgaria or Turkey. Something it probably had to do 2 months ago. I am sure that if you are aware of these facts now – you will understand and respect the termination of the Turkish trial as well.
Thank you for your attention,
Papen83
vMoFA of Bulgarian government
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Everything is because myrmidonas and another group of ppl from Croatia are not happy and started to attack bulgarians because of their reaction on the decision of the EDEN SC which was little to say gaysh.
Vote! Hope the truth will be seen by anyone...
I ain't give a shit 'bout myrmidonas, marcians, ... or any other WE ARE BULGARIANS !!!
Greece - FOREVER A LOAN
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The game is called the new world,so your example its not valid.Its the new world so you should set aside all of your RL issues with Turkey.We accepted the fact that parts of Fyrom are called Eastern or Western MACEDONIA...Do the same.
Always friendly.
Petran, it's none of anybody's business but the admins' how to name regions of a given e-country. You don't have the right of a veto. So, your argument is completely irrelevant.
Petran, the arguments are exact and the facts are proper. The memership of Turkey and the requested MPP with them are threatening the evolution of our eCountry. Not the history is the main reason for our veto, but the eHistory is the reason we dont trust them.
P.S. The greek veto about the macedonian membership and the arguments(about the name) for it are senceless and chouvinistic. They can call themselves how they want, unless they are insulting some other country.
Also friendly
I don't care anymore.
You are not acting as allies and friends, but as enemies. And that is what caused all this mess, not Turkey.
nexus2012
yeah right we did this- we are the one who made this permanent TRIAL member" isue. We are the one who should make others happy and make the first gesture of a good will to turkey since they are full member of EDEN and we are on a trail status right? We are the one who should fight for greece so they will have their bonuses for free in SA but we have to pay rent for ours and (or) except Turkey in EDEN so you and they will be happy?: Is this look like a a real brotherhood to you? You don`t go to a party and make demands to one of the host to let you in - you should be the one to make something FIRST to gain his trust right?
"or if the Turkish side was to agree to the compromise of giving nothing to get its trial status recognized by Bulgaria"
yeah right,from you perspective "give us regions to get stronger but we will never help or aprob you and almost sure will atack you" is perfectly fine,this say all there is to say.
People of Croatia will always stand by Bulgaria!
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alyn888
Probablly yes ,the stakes now are like this but if turkey don`t make something to prove bg politics worng nothing will change. We are not racists and we aren`t kids either, we just don`t trust Turkey for now -they kicked us out of phoenix, changed sides more then any other country in the e-world , they backstabed everyone (us included) of their allies , so yes - they are the one who should make the first step
Certain EDEN players still do not recognize their foolishness in insulting their long-time loyal ally for a new member that for much of its existence had been allied with enemy alliances. They persist in blaming Bulgarians. Bulgaria deserves better.
"It was an act in which the Bulgarian government made the biggest possible compromise – the one with its people’s public opinion! Even though as a result of the veto referendum we were working for months to terminate the Turkish trial, we decided to stop insisting on it. Turkey was just supposed to show a sign of good faith as well. So in return we asked for two regions that Turkey does not need at all - neither core, nor resource-giving (like most of the 30+ regions that Turkey has)! These regions would boost our economy and for Turkey they are useless. EDEN (both high officials and several country presidents) also promised that if we do this compromise and Turkey rejects it – then Turkish trial will be terminated. What did the Turks do? They rejected the offer! EDEN kept its promise and that is the end of story."
unfortunately you are WRONG in compromise and consequenses!
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Almost all CP and EDEN meeting representatives know and agree on the same point that it is nonsense to give 2 regions to a member state who continually show their enemy behavior in all circumstances. eTR officials declared that eTR would give any regions to eBG regardless of any # of regions, when eBG accepts the MPP and prove they changed their nonsense attitude.
Certain EDEN players still do not recognize their foolishness in insulting their long-time loyal ally for a new member that for much of its existence had been allied with enemy alliances. +1
As a hungarian player i still remember how the bulgarian ppl helped the romanians for MONTHS, even when they faced complete erase on the macedonian/serb front. I have nothing but complete respect for them, they were the hard foundations of the EDEN alliance under the ONE dominant Balkan. I really dont understand how can the romanians talk trash about Bulgaria, and about Flausino aswell. They tanked Millions in every single battle on your land, trying to save your asses. Guess you only need the Damage - Brotherhood, right..
Smh.
Im not forgetting the Turk help on our side either, i was heartbroken when they left ONE.
But guys please, dont insult your friends / ally even when they choose to do something you dont like. Try to understend them, and find a solution TOGETHER. I know its just a game, but fighting together supposed to form a lifetime bond between you. Insulting them just seems wrong.
Certain EDEN players still do not recognize their foolishness in insulting their long-time loyal ally for a new member that for much of its existence had been allied with enemy alliances. +1
You talked about resources when Albania and Italy were being erased from the map.
You fought against EDEN friends when Albania and Italy were being erased.
You searched for enemies while Serbia and FYROM are right next to you.
I can just say that Bulgaria is the only selfish country here. Turkey would have given your their regions if you just MPP'ed them but you wanted an excuse. You didn't want to solve this at all and you acted like little kids.
Now you try to tell me this is not your fault aswell?
Arsène Lupin III
Please tell me why we should signed MPP first since they are the one who asked something from us?
You fought against EDEN friends when Albania and Italy were being erased.- you sure , last time I checked mine orders were Albania and Italy at the most for a while and now I am in Ireland- take a guess why.
Lupin, Croatia was the first EDEN country to sign separatist peace agreement with Serbia. Remember this? When one of the first EDEN offensives was in the move, when Serbia, FYROM, Turkey and everyone else attacked Bulgaria, Croatia just signed this NAP with Serbia and went to Mexico... So, why to blame Bulgaria for the NAPs we did??? We fought, and fought, and fought for Romania, Italy, Greece, we kept losing our regions just for the EDEN cause, and finally we get what? Turkey was more than frustrated with the war, Serbia kept loosing RW, FYROM was busy, and all this because of our fights.
Croatia showed us the way... and we followed it. And now no ONE can stop EDEN. But when ONE humiliated EDEN, Bulgaria stood proudly in its own blood and kept fighting. Respect this, or GTFO!
"I don't care anymore.
You are not acting as allies and friends, but as enemies. And that is what caused all this mess, not Turkey."
this x9999.
Question: Turkey is still getting EDEN MPPs and you still are not going to get any Iranian regions, what has changed since Turkish trial membership was frozen and then terminated?
Answer: Greece nearly NEd you.
I agree, we acted badly towards our allies, and the tactics used, and the political discourse undertaken were wrong. It is because of stringent internal constraints that our governments acted this way, the referendum being key. Lots of mistakes were made during this ordeal, but no matter what we did afterwards, I still don't see how a disrespected veto can be blamed on us. Nobody calls eRussia a traitor, even though they blocked eTurkey from Terra.
It's a matter of perspective, really. I understand croatians and greeks completely. Had I been on the other side, I would not want Bulgaria as an ally either. But you have to try and remember how much Bulgaria has sacrificed during our stay in EDEN, and how little real sacrifice turkey has done. Nevertheless, the damage is done. Bulgaria's time in EDEN is finished, despite the mostly positive attitude towards the alliance in the bulgarian population.
It was nice being an ally with you, fellow greeks and croatians. But eTurkey has become the apple that will bring an end to Bulgaria in EDEN. I hope not all respect is lost, for respect will always be the most important asset a country can have.
LONG LIVE GRECO-TURKISH MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD \o/
you need no one to blame u bro..
bulgarıa want but Turkey has...
Im standing beside you, everybody just need to calm down.
*yawn*
at the end bulgurs will go out of eden
I can't understand Bulgarians...
They always say "Turkey is our enemy". They are fighting against us and EDEN. In this situation how can they want 2 regions from us? I can just say GTFO.
And Turkish government already doing it.
First MPP and friendship.
Imagine EU and NATO in Real Life and there you have USA or Germany telling the Greeks - "You guys MUST forget about your right of VETO! We will accept the Republic of Macedonia in our alliance and we do not want to hear a thing about your feelings and your name dispute with this country!"
Yes I can very well.
Those oraganisations you named are there ( no matter how many war movies you watch) to maintain peace and stability.
We in Finland (or EU or Nato) dont give a flying fuk about some childish name disputes.
You sir are a retardo.
vice versa you will regret if you join to ONE, good luck
ya right its not bulgarias fault lol..
bye bye traitors enyoy in ONE and alliance with serbs and loland..
Im standing beside you, everybody just need to calm down.
@Krum III
So you are actually saying that if admins decide to name Turkey Sofia you wont react,its only the admins' bussiness.
@XpucTo81
The evolution of your country would only be theatened if Turkey wasnt a member of EDEN.I should remind you when all or almost all (I dont remember) Bulgaria was conquered by Turkey (with the help of ONE) .
I can only think,that you want the resources of (Iran) and you consider Turkey as an obstacle.So what remains is your RL issues with Turkey that have their origins in history.But on the other hand,it might be my poor brain and i cant understand your truly reasons.
Always Friendly.
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The crisis was generated by these member states in EDEN who decided to not respect the Bulgarian veto for Turkey
"You guys MUST forget about your right of VETO! We will accept the Republic of Macedonia in our alliance and we do not want to hear a thing about your feelings and your name dispute with this country!".
yüürrüüüüüü.
anca gidersinn....
yemei di mi sıpla makedonla savaşmak.....
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Shame on you , Bulgaria !!!
I've read the article "To the citizens of EDEN" and the only one thing I know is
that Bulgaria is a selfish country.
I'll translate your article in a Simply speaking:
Turkey do not want to give u those resources, so u are unhappy, so u are going to reject Turkey become a member of EDEN, reject everything.
Only because that Turkey don't allow Bulgaria take their land.
Shame on Bulgaria, WHAT A SELFISH country!!! ugly!!!
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