To follow or not to follow.....the status quo
eDarkAngel
Why is EDEN (Greece) attacking Bulgaria?
The simple answer is for daring to challenge the status quo.
However as in RL, things are never so simple. So let's look at the bigger picture for a moment.
It is generally assumed the strongest countries/core and so on of EDEN are Croatia, Romania and Greece. That however is only true if you look at the population and damage stats, in reality they're the weak point of EDEN and the weakest link.
Simple reason for that is the eternal wars with equal or stronger opponents on their borders which they cannot sustain on their own. Basic example is this:
Croatia, has a big deficit and will likely always do against Serbia.
Romania at best has a negligible advantage against Hungary currently but throughout history the dynamics have been equal, with the one side prevailing because of their allies mostly.
Greece often having a deficit, right now slight deficit to Macedonia.
The sum is that these 3 countries are in deficit against their main rivals, they're in essence useless to any alliance on their own as they have a deficit of damage to begin with on a daily basis.
The solution is to recruit other countries to compensate this deficit and to bring additional damage above that so they can win in turn. This means either countries which have no opponent/no equal opponent or countries that will sacrifice their own security and ambitions and transfer their damage to the big 3.
Poland plaid that role for a long time, while Span was dominating and USA friendly or neutral, Spain played that role too, Sweden did, so did USA itself. All of them are no longer members of EDEN.
Australia was another example, Bosnia was a damage drain (ironically Bosnia was permanently deleted during most of their time in EDEN, but have enjoyed quite good times since exciting the alliance, though they will always be dependent on EDEN).
Bulgaria initially had the same role as well, being thrown at whichever front it was needed to compensate, be it against Turkey for Greece (oh the irony) or against Macedonia, again for Greece (more irony?), against Serbia for Croatia (NAP or excursion to north America anyone?), against Hungary or Poland for Romania.
Only after Bulgaria stopped being the docile servant and actually started making some rational and tactically sound decisions that actually EDEN started getting out of the whole dug by the incompetence of the ruling oligarchy, along with EDEN it meant good times for TERRA.
TERRA of course is a service alliance to EDEN, the relationship is mutual dependance of course, because without EDEN TERA cannot fight off ONE, but for the most part TERRA is donating damage to EDEN in it's wars as most TERRA countries have excess damage on their fronts (Brazil + USA) outweigh Spain by a large margin. Argentina is such a hot commodity, because of the lack of an opponent which means they're great servant country to donate damage and why they get courted so much, but usually get tricked with propaganda tricks (case with Chile, the whole conflict was well orchestrated as it served Turkish foreign policy).
So we get to Turkey, in the current configuration, Turkey has no other counterpart then Bulgaria to fight with in it's immediate region (Iran is not a match and Greece cannot afford to fight on 2 fronts, hence why they made the peace early on with Turkey leaving Bulgaria alone against them). So the only matching country would be Bulgaria, however as both countries were relatively equal in strength over the past 18 months or so (due in large to the difference in resources which augmented Turkish damage and was detrimental to Bulgarian) it meant that Bulgaria wasn't tipping the scales when fighting Turkey, because it's damage was being neutralized. This was useless to the "core" of EDEN.
Bulgaria recognized that too, but it also knew it was stronger then Turkey 1 vs 1, all it needed to do was even the playing field by gaining equal resource base to wage war and this would benefit EDEN.
The rest is self-explanatory, Bulgaria became the flag carrier of the turnaround, by methodically defeating one by one the opponent, weather directly or by sending it's damage is irrelevant. This happened because of 2 reasons:
1. Bulgaria gained needed resources while Turkey lost such, so Bulgarian damage exceeded Turkish and started turning battles around.
2. Bulgaria has always put same amount of effort in fighting for it's allies as it has fighting for itself, so when damage was not used internally it was being given to allies. In addition, Bulgaria has always been one of the most efficient countries in terms of damage distribution and tactical placement. This meant that while it was making headway in it's own affairs, it was at worst helping keep the other fronts at a status quo and with accumulation of advantage soon the tide turned (long before Turkey switched sides for the 3th time in the year).
I'll just point out that before Turkey changed sides, Poland and Serbia were not only out of USA, but Poland was left with only a few regions in Germany, had lost little Poland in a direct battle with Bulgaria recently, Spain was with 1 resource for nearly 3 weeks, Indonesia had been recently technically not, but in essence deleted and their resource base denied, ABC, traditionally a subservient alliance to ONE was completely occupied and so was UK in the process of loosing it's last regions, Sweden was about to be wiped and Croatia was making strolls through Slovenia.
Main reason again, Bulgaria "donates" much larger % of it's damage, daily to it's allies then does Turkey.
So the neutral and "ingenious" solution for permanent domination of ONE was to bring Turkey to EDEN side. This would mean both Bulgaria and Turkey would be free of opponents and they would donate all their damage to the rest which would ensure total domination.
This worked perfectly for Turkey as their main doctrine is "win the game = gain all resources, sacrifice on the basis of interest not values", but didn't work well at all for Bulgaria, whose main doctrine is "enjoy the game through challenges, resources are a tool and not an aim, sacrifice on the basis of values and not interest".
These two doctrines contradict each other and so does the playing style of both countries, the main sticking point in any dealings they have had. This is not the first time Bulgaria has demonstrated that, it refused peace with Macedonia in April, when Macedonia asked for peace to wipe Italy. This would have been a good opportunity to eliminate one opponent on it's borders, however Bulgaria choose to stick by it's ally, it would get deleted eventually later on, when most EDEN countries did anyway, still it is representative of the style of play. Same can be said of the process of peace negotiations with Turkey that lasted nearly 2 months, when one of the main sticking points was not abandoning Ukraine in it's plight.
These differences and the accumulated mistrust over the past 1 year augmented by the absolutely "idiotic" way in which EDEN HQ tried to force on a decision it thought rational, led to a quick deterioration of the relations between Bulgaria and Turkey, which had improved to a point of being cold and somewhat neutral.
So after gambling and making a huge mistake, augmenting it by retarded actions, EDEN was forced with a choice, to accept responsibility for it's failure and error of judgment or to seek to absolve itself of any responsibility.
It choose the later, however it is not simply an absolution of responsibility and guilt, it is also a fundamental difference in playing doctrines between the main trio and Bulgaria. The doctrines of Croatia, Romania and especially Greece (no surprise they're leading the way) is much closer to the one of Turkey then the one of Bulgaria. Sacrifice has always been a mainstay rhetoric, but because of the "mathematical" dependencies it has been usually the other way around, other countries sacrificing for them 9 months of the year ant they making sacrifices the other 3. Also all 3 countries (exception recently to some extent makes Romania here) are ruled by oligarchies which have not changed in years, with the same few players being the decision makers.
The oligarchic model of course is in stark contrast to Bulgarian model of governance, which though not perfect is a democratic one and is the source of some of it's greatest strengths. For example, while it does cause internal instability from time to time, it has given the opportunity of over 500 players to be involved in one way or another with the governance of the country over the last 2.5 years, Bulgaria rarely has presidents for more then 1 term anymore and has had 5 different parties be top parties within the country within the last 2 years.
This model of governance though extends to it's foreign policy as well, where Bulgaria follows a policy of inclusion and not exclusion. It tries to keep civil relations with everyone, friend or foe, it does not use PTO in it's arsenal (the only major power in the game to have never used it) and it has in it's history always secured it's resources from foreign countries via diplomacy and has never been an occupying power (only military power in the game to ever do that). This has of course meant it can dedicate much more resources to it's allies and so you can rarely find an important or big battle during the last 2 years in which Bulgaria would not have been front and center for it's allies.
These doctrines though are in stark contrast with the doctrines of domination, subjugation, oligarchy (few enlightened know better then the rest) which are predominant among the top countries, where small elites usually came to prominence back when each country was gaining strength have kept control and molded their countries to their own understanding, will and views of events.
So we're at the current situation, where Bulgaria could not endure anymore (EDEN made 2 express summits in 2 days following a regular one to overturn the decision to stop Turkey trial and to vote for the removal of Bulgaria from the alliance after it had announced it has left and remove the newly appointed SC, while it took it 10 days to convene a summit last month to hold a vote on Turkish membership as was requested by Bulgaria) a double standard towards it and has decided to end it's internal problems by leaving the alliance. These internal problems of course were externally caused by the decision of EDEN to force Turkey into the alliance (not ot invite and give a chance).
So naturally, now that Bulgaria is a top military power, it would seek a different path for itself, one that gives it a chance to not have to make compromises with it's own style of play and it's own doctrine, thus looking to form a new alliance. Simple solution is Bulgaria vs Turkey 1 on 1, they're both balanced and Bulgaria looking to form a new age alliance based on representation and not power output and spreadsheet rationality.
This of course is a big threat to EDEN, but not that much to the alliance itself or the ordinary players, but to the oligarchy in charge (same people are in control of the alliance once again mere days after Bulgaria left). It is not only a threat to their position in EDEN but in their own countries as well, as EDEN is their tool for leverage in their own countries. They're the power brokers in the alliance so they're inexpendable.
Bulgaria's reputation (though admittedly tarnished through some dumb moves in this whole process by some of it's politicians), remains better then almost all major powers in the game. This will of course make it a natural magnet for countries that want a change in the status quo and more importantly a change in the way they're treated in an alliance (inclusion vs exclusion). Basically most medium and smaller countries are kept within alliances on the threat of being deleted if they do not stay or do as told, rather then on the prospect to belong. For EDEN this means loosing the donor countries to the main 3, whose deficit is not going to change anytime soon.
For example, values of India is higher then values of Croatia on average, because India currently has not opponent, so all of it's damage even if it is only 40-50 million daily is a "plus", where on a daily basis Croatia would always have - 500 million against Serbia. So Bulgaria forming a new alliance and having been part of TEDEN for the past 1 year +, is very likely to be followed by other countries be it small and thus limit the damage donor countries or meat-shield countries for the alliance.
This is why EDEN needs to make out of Bulgaria an enemy and as quickly as possible to make it harder on anyone who might even contemplate braking the ranks, if that does not work threats will start going around. TERA to some extent is in similar situation, but it resolved partly that problem by expulsing Chile, which made no secret it's stance towards Bulgaria, thus partly eliminating any possible influence within Terra, Russia will now find itself in a tough position and will sooner rather then later be forced to choose by both EDEN and TERA.
The second aim of making Bulgaria an enemy is that the new direction of the propaganda that Bulgaria has become pro-ONE can stick easier and TERA can be forced to abandon it's neutral stands toward the issue by having no choice in the matter.
It's yet the last in the series of guns diplomacy by this eternal command of EDEN and will backfire in the long term, likely leading to the end of EDEN as the main 3 get abandoned one by one, by the rest of the countries which have for years compensated their deficit of damage.
The new approach to game play however will be gaining more and more followers, for the simple reason that with time, more and more countries become big and strong enough, populated enough and enough of their players want to be included in all aspects of the game, not only the "click the mouse button" one, that it is inevitable that a doctrine and style of play based on inclusion becomes predominant.
The mechanics of the game force us nowadays to work to limit wars rather then to look to start wars, thus that will weight into the diplomacy as well rather then the threats of the past. Mastodons like EDEN and ONE will eventually brake apart and many smaller conglomerations will appear which will be coming together for limited amounts of time over time to ally as anyone trying to gain dominance, but will revert back to it's forming blocks once the threat has been neutralized. The domination doctrine is dead and the people trying desperately to keep it alive will go down screening and kicking.
The last fight before the old system crumbles will be the one between "spreadsheet damage alliances" and the ones with the guts to move to the new "people based doctrine of alliances". I choose the second, because I believe no status quo should stay too long and because I believe we all should get the chance to play this game to it's fullest, no matter how *beep* it might be.
Good luck to EDEN oligarchy in their futile attempt to hold on to virtual pixel power and spreadsheet damage castles, I'll do what I can to oppose you at every step.
Be different, be yourself!
To follow or not to follow.....the status quo
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Ikinc. 😛
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А аз си мислех, че си спрял с дългите статии... 😃
Ако ти плащаха за това само : )
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I totally agree. In many ways ONE was founded as a spreadsheet alliance- it was a case of who has the most damage, and that is obvious when the original 4 founders were 4 of the strongest countries in the game.
However after ONE won everything and then started to decline, it became obvious that by accident they had the potential to be something more like the doctrinal alliance you are talking about. The reason being that ONE had only six members (and today only 9) which means a much greater level of integration than other alliances- especially split ones like TEDEN. When the chips were down we saw countries changing their attitudes. Serbs have always been happy to fight for a lost cause, but even the more prudent countries began hurling insane amounts of damage to freeing minor countries over their own security.
Now we see a situation where ONE has somehow survived 3 months of occupations and is in a much stronger position than it has ever been really. Whilst that strength will be seen by many in terms of victories on the battlefield, the truth is that the true strength is the spiritual victory. ONE has successfully transformed into something much stronger than it was. It's behaving like a unit. Individuals and so on are always going to buck the trend, but imo it's got a future. Unlike EDEN.
to read or not to read daaaaaamn too long
Really good article
"The last fight before the old system crumbles will be the one between "spreadsheet damage alliances" and the ones with the guts to move to the new "people based doctrine of alliances"."
Very good reading. However about the above paragraph, you deluding yourself if you think any form of countries organisation will succeed in the long run.
In the beginning everything is fine and dandy in any form. Problem is power corrupts and people who get to power [some of them, not all] will want to keep it for themselves [just take a look at the "newly" elected EDEN HQ with the eternal "EDEN Advisers" being part of it].
People with egotistical issues who get in control will try to maintain that control by all means creating an oligarchy. And if you dare to speak against them then you are labelled as populist and marginalized xD
Thats why I fought from the start to reform inside EDEN instead of creating new alliances. A new alliance would end just as EDEN did [remember the "brotherhoood" concept?]. However reforming EDEN would have had more chances to success because of people`s love and attainment to a structure already build. Unfortunately the EDEN oligarchs proved to be not only corrupt but also stupid. a smart oligarch would have made reform even if trying to keep a seat. A stupid oligarch, like the ones leading EDEN now would rather lead the alliance to the grave even with the risk of losing his own seat.
Anyway.its a vast topic I guess.
Turkey's trial membership was suspended as Bulgaria requested. Why did you sign MPP's with EDEN's enemies?
You could have attacked Turkey alone, then no one from EDEN would involve in this war.
Wallachian, contact our goverment and share some of your ideas. They will be welcomed and put to the test in our new allience.
Karagouz, it was suspended for exactly 24 hourse. Next thay the decision was voted as nil. After this vote, eBulgaria left EDEN.
V- Excellent analysis
> In the beginning everything is fine and dandy in any form. Problem is power corrupts and people who get to power [some of them, not all] will want to keep it for themselves [just take a look at the "newly" elected EDEN HQ with the eternal "EDEN Advisers" being part of it].
People with egotistical issues who get in control will try to maintain that control by all means creating an oligarchy. And if you dare to speak against them then you are labelled as populist and marginalized xD
oh look, wallachian has criticized himself from 1.5y ago ;d
First time ever I agree with Stoich,
EDEN (or what's left of it) is pathetic.....
^ EDEN cannot be reformed.
Ian, this is due to the fact that ONE got on the losing side. When this happens and after months of defeats it's normal for people stick together and fight more fiercely for freedom and feel like brothers even. EDEN was like that, but look later how everything changed quickly when it became the dominating alliance.
I must say EDEN as dominating alliance has been much worse than ONE, much much worse....
@karaguoz
Maybe the 2 NEs, by Greece and Ukraine against a then member of the alliance, had something to do with it? Maybe it was the overturn of that decision by the "big 3" and threats by Greek CP at EDEN summit and the fact that while our MPPS would fall yours would stay. Simple enough?
Bulgarians are the best allies eCountry can have.
EDEN just traded Bulgaria, Russia and Chile for Turkey... biggest fail ever in erepublik...
It's long but I actually read it : )
I still do not agree with your decision to VETO Macedonia from entering Phoenix, but I'm thankful of your consistency because that VETO produced a big baby boom for us, thus making my country one of the world powers. Also I'm thankful of your VETO towards Turkey cause one more time it made the game interesting for me and for many of my countryman (I can see same situation in Bulgaria too).
All in all great article and analysis of the situation...I will bookmark it and save it for some other time, just to compare, your words from now and the situation that will follow
Nice Article V + S
@ Ian
Your hypothesis, cannot be verified right now, but will be verified in the future if ONE remains. The reason being that while countries in EDEN had a way our when ONE was dominating, and some opted for it, countries in ONE due to their "domination" policy while dominating, did not have a way out, except Turkey which managed to cut a damage deal with EDEN HQ.
So it is not clear weather what you say is due to "wanting" or due to "no other road". It will become clear when ONE get's on top again, the signs are not very promising as some arrogance is starting to creep up once again even before the tables have been turned yet.
@Wllachian
The domination policy, leads to the alienation of all others over time, which leads to the braking down into smaller and smaller pockets of power which will come together in different times and disperse in other times. Most countries have worked with one another or against one another at one point or another in the game now. So the ideological basis upon which EDEN exists and EDEN oligarchy keeps it's power is a thing of the past, same is valid of ONE by the way and despite the current rejuvenation in the long turn it will become true there as well.
The main reason, that the game is economically democratic now, it's not like 2 years ago, when vast amounts of players were dependent on others for their "economic" existence, with time more and more players become economically independent through accumulation and hence cannot be easily "bought", this is the main reason the oligarchs will loose their grip on power, it is no longer enough to control the resources to control the players, but that is a subject for another article : P
Meh, an article full of one sided rhetoric and fairytales. (That does not mean certain aspects in the text is not correct) . My assessment:
1- Author describes Bulgaria as a country which "sacrifice on the basis of values and not interest" and then points out Bulgaria’s refusal to Macedonian peace offer to stop them from advancing into Italy. However, he forgets about Bulgaria-Turkey peace ratified in past summer, which was upheld by eBulgaria for 8 months. Because of that treaty, pro-One Turkey managed ton invade whole Ukraine, later whole Israel and Arabic peninsula. Where was the Bulgaria with her noble principles by then?
2- I almost fell from the chair when I read "Bulgaria follows a policy of inclusion and not exclusion. It tries to keep civil relations with everyone, friend or foe,". Yep, Bulgaria follows a policy of inclusion indeed, only when she thinks it suits her obsessions. If it does not, then she can be as nasty as the drag-queens. What Bulgaria did in Eden in past two months shouts aloud how nasty Bulgarian foreign policy can go forward.
3- "EDEN needs to make out of Bulgaria an enemy and as quickly as possible" is a correct prediction, yet Eden did not do it. You have been out of Eden for a week, and most Eden countries did not hit against Bulgaria by hoping that sane people in Bulgaria would take control and bring her back to where she belongs. Unfortunately, those sane people could not or did not do it. Thus, as Bulgaria emerges as a pro-One country, Eden attacks against eBulgaria is intensifying as this moment.
4- You prophesize that "The last fight before the old system crumbles will be the one between "spreadsheet damage alliances" and the ones with the guts to move to the new "people based doctrine of alliances"." May be, may be not. What I am sure, though, if such a war is waged, eBulgaria would choose its side in the opposite side of eTurkey regardless of what that party stands for. I know it, you know it, everbody knows it.
In summary, cut the crap dude! As if we know nothing about your precious eBulgarians. :😁
@ Ivan
If you want go back to my article explaining the situation back then, and look at it from your position now, you'll find out that after your experience during the last 18 months you'll understand much better and easier the reasons for Bulgaria at the time.
Change is constant, so positions on different subjects may morph, it is the values and principles that should stay the same and as you've seen with Bulgaria that is the case. This is due to our, admittedly imperfect, but non the less democratic system.
oohh...what "modest" are you....
JUNE 2011 - Bulgaria sacrificed to turkey so Russia could be free.
OCTOBER 2011 - Bulgaria sarcificed to Serbia so Croatia can go to Mexico.
Стоич, земи напрао отгоре пиши - Том 1-ви, Глава 1. :Д
глас!
@ walpole
1. Freed Ukraine, freed, though admittedly for a short time Israel and would have freed them again if Turkey had not switched sides, after helping EDEN gain the upper hand. On the other hand while Argentina was getting wiped off the map Turkey was reopening it's war with Bulgaria because of resources.
2. Of course, when you get denied what you believe is ordained then the others are nasty. Case and point with a message Russians received and I may misquote, but it was something like this: You've put Bulgarian battle as CoD, Russia is next. On the other hand Bulgaria sought all possible actions it could take to uphold it's stance within the alliance for 3 months and after it became impossible it left the alliance.
3. Yes of course, we traveled to Greece the second day and conquered Plovdiv ourselves, then tanked hard in the battle for Bourgas as well as tried at all cost to prevent the resistance war in Plovdiv to succeed. How dumb of me to not notice that. Of course that was not EDEN, it was the same clique which has led us all down this road. Meanwhile everywhere there was mass propaganda how Bulgaria was pro-ONE and assigning it guilt, calling us traitors and so on, while it became clear that Greek president is lying outright and telling our CP and I quote again "EDEN wanted the NE" and "You shuld not have trusted me".
Actually I don't because I have not yet seen Turkey play this game I've seen the same oligarchy in tight control of Turkey for over 2 years. Kloraq is the current Sultan, he gives regions when he decides or says he cannot because people.congress/MU commanders do not approve when he wants to throw dust in someone's eyes. When Turkey stops being a country caring only for it's resources (not it's players) the country represented by it's governments, then we will see, until then what you say is only speculation. By the way it is Kloraq that has stated that Bulgaria should have been kept occupied until it's players leave the game.
That's why the lady is a tramp.
ameba
Great article ! V+S
"resources are a tool and not an aim, sacrifice on the basis of values and not interest"", yeah sure.
1. You try to sell GEA membership for two resources and call that an alliance.
2. While every member of alliance ready to accept Turkey, you veto us with reasons like, "we need enemy, our players will leave the game, we need more bonuses, etc"
You are an arrogant and selfish country which cares only her own interests, for sure you are not an alliance material. Your words can only influence proONE citizens and some butthurt ex HQ members.
If that feeds your ego,believe it
Thank you for this analysis Angel 🙂
It was great to read it ...
Next time write it in Bulgarian as well 🙂
Stoich knows how to say it! Respect to you, brother. o7
damn man too long but soo true .... i only wish that eUSA joins Bulgaria .... u are the only team player to exist which actually gives its damage to others in its time of need ........ how many other countries do that ? none is the answer
@Tjutg
You are an arrogant and selfish country which cares only her own interests, for sure you are not an alliance material.
^ This is Turkey, not Bulgaria...you must have been looking in the mirror
Да беше *** - да им го набиеш. Ама то акъл - с набиване не става. Иначе вот за статията. Верно трябва да искаш да ти се плаща 🙂
As for EDEN тримътъглупъци - soon they will understand their mistake in the approach they choosed. But it will be too late. It's alredy too late.
stoich Big words with zero value
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/from-bulgaria-to-greece-1692623/1/20
as heraclitus said "Τα πάντα ρεί"(everything flows)
Great Article
i Salute you
Стена от текст 😃
За тва те мразят в щаба, Стоич..
Greece are involved in suicidal action with the "training war" against Bulgaria : D
Tomorrow the great sons of Alexander Macedonski - the mighty macedonians will come for them and surely will send the greeks out of space ; D
smart word for blaming others....
/mode off
Аудио моля те стоич !
Bulgarians, depicted as utmost haters and nationalists.
That one stays embedded and perforated forever, let alone they changed alliances 5 times now and counting.
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