TO eBe, or not TO eBe? Here are the answers?
Lorcema
Yesterday morning I woke up and saw my reflection in a mirror. "Oh" I said "I'm not a PTOer". Lucky me!
"Oh, I'm not even a zombie in eR Haloween" Thanks Plato for such creativity. 😉
And thanks to my expert and MQ to mentioned me several times in the last article 😐
Well, after the government opened Pandora's box, it seemed that half of Belgium was involved in the PTO actions of the parties HOPE and PANDA.
I was much amused with the story of spies which seems will have a sequel. I'm cooking popcorn, while waiting!
😃(I will sell it for 10cc each
😉)
While reviewing the black list
😛, I noticed that many of the soldiers mentioned are from the MU "Headhunterz" (50
😵. By country, we could find Croats (20
😵, Serbs (12
😵and Belgians (15
😵.
Because there are too many people involved, I found interesting that some of them have the possibility to express a response to the allegations, of course, with the intention of listening to his defense.
Therefore, I interviewed all mentioned, of which 5 of them have responded. Here I bring you their responses and comments:
Why you didn’t follow the procedures to give CS?
Vincent Pain: Because our members are not welcome on the gov forum
ChristijanXD: If other kongres member make this? I know my friends and my people give cs cika nikola (eBe prime minister) and eVladimir who lick eBelgium ass , he and cika nikola.
lord Lukausus: I followed the procedures but then I got CS, and nobody didn't notify me
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shadowukcs: because the procedures are BS. They are invented by silly people to maintain their grip on power forever. They are racist and bigot because as soon as someone with a Serbian or Croatian CS applies, they all freak out and assume there is a PTO on their hands. Erepublik is and remains a game with great individual freedoms, thank God for that, and should be played as such. People should have the freedom to play the game as they like. that includes inviting their friends over to their own country. When you restrict that, such as the forum people are doing, you're doing nothing more than playing e-dictator.
Marko Klis: I belive that current legalization of approving CS is not fair over immigration debate forum! I advocate for new more fair approving request for CS, which will be given more freedom to congress members who can decide if they want to use them or not, but immigration office will be there only to prevent suspicious peoples, who have bad history of PTO or they are on SCAMEer list, to come to Belgium!
Do you know that you gave CS to an accused of PTO? Are you doing a PTO?
Vincent Pain: I was not aware of that, i am aware of the fact that konrad neuman is a pto'er together with nlsp and others they robbed the state true mallicious programs like BYS.
ChristijanXD: My friends dont like pto , we fight for democraty eBelgium.
lord Lukausus: I didn't, my PP told me to give him cs and he kept pushing me to do that
🙁I'm not PTOing , I'm ATOing in the name of eCroatian government
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shadowukcs: I gave CS to a friend.
Marko Klis: I am not doing PTO!
Do you think that the actual government did the right things to avoid a country TO?
Vincent Pain: No
ChristijanXD: No, eBelgium is a banana state, I would like get changes this.
lord Lukausus: I think they should be more careful about who are they accusing about PTOing coz I'm the eCroatian ambassador and it's my duty to prevent eCroatian PTOing in eBelgium
shadowukcs: the actual government is incapable of doing anything. They are so powerhorny and playing a second side-game on their forum that they lose focus on the real game.
Marko Klis: From their point of view maybe yes, but from my point of view there is no need to attack members of my party. I everything explain in my article and on forum!
Are you going to continue in politics?
Vincent Pain: Yes
ChristijanXD: Yes, I am eBe kongres member 3x i eBelgium, 1x eAustria, eCroatia and eFinland.
lord Lukausus: I am, and I think I should because I see that the ruling "elite" doesn't is not doing anything about the minimum pay !!! Pays high , tax low !!!
shadowukcs: yes, especially now that NLSP is active again
Marko Klis: We will see!
Do you think that the MU “Headhunterz” was involved in PTO actions?
Vincent Pain: Headhunterz was never involved in politics
ChristijanXD: In HH MU I have a many friends and they is RL Belgium citizents, so where is a problems, in RL I live in eBelgium.
lord Lukausus: Nooooo, I didn't hear so
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shadowukcs: again, what PTO? All we had where a few friends trying to set up camp here in belgium and they where brutally denied that by the forum-elite, purely because they came from a Eastern-European country. There's a name for that: Racism. They where attempted to be bullied out, denied fruits from the treasury that where rightfully theirs and they where ridiculed. If you treat people like an animal, they become one. That's exactly what happened.
Marko Klis: NO!
Any message to the eBelgium community?
Vincent Pain: HOPE is one of the bigest party in EBE i'm happy to see eBelgians are able to see who wants the good for the community & is trustworthy we have a strong president, he wil lead us back to the top.
ChristijanXD: eBelgium comunity: cika nikola96 is a big devil.
lord Lukausus: I am sorry that I gave that cs to an accused PTO , but one accused PTO that was my PP in that dark time kept pushing me to do that, and I didn't wanna tell him to eBg government , I learned my lesson and I hope I'll be in the eBg government soon
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shadowukcs: Embrace these people, work with them, find a middleground... because you're not getting them out
Marko Klis: I HOPE that we will all do better cooperation in future about things who are important for all of us!
Any message to the eBelgium government?
Vincent Pain: Dont work behind closed doors on a secret dictorial forum! All political decisions and votes affecting the public should be made in the open, except in the most extreme circumstances of national security. All Ministers should be available to respond to members of the public and account for their decisions.
ChristijanXD: eBe gouverment: woman, go to the kitchen, cika nikola - back to Serbia, other, pls...
lord Lukausus: PAYS HIGH , TAXES LOW !!! PS. sry about that cs thing I did , hope U can forgive me
🙂
shadowukcs: No
Marko Klis: If they want to accuse someone for PTO, they need to find them among its members!
Would you like to add something else?
Vincent Pain: Join HeadhunterZ http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/group-show/1831?page=1
ChristijanXD: This is not democraty eBelgium, I am not American or Macedonian Citizen and gouverment insult me, eBe pay people for insults.
lord Lukausus: Sry , sry , sry about giving cs to that accused PTO
🙂
shadowukcs: yes, unban me from the forum. That's another step to maybe rebuilding bridges. A restrictive forum management that bans everyone who doesn't agree with their idea's and ingame politial idea's, is not the way to amends or even make an attempt to reconcile this. If half your community doesn't want to visit the forum out of protest and some are banned there, I doubt you will find it easy to repair the relations.
Marko Klis: I just want to say to all people, do not be naive and try to see the big picture of everything what happen! Cika Nikola was used a good relations between two friend party PANDA and HOPE only for his own inetrest! And if he got support for that act from some people in Belgium, they can be shame on! They send some message to us in public, but they do other things behind our back!
Comments
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ChristijanXD is a PTOer and isn't fightning for eBE.
The fact is that in this article: http://erepublik.com/en/article/interview-with-christijanxd--2245275/1/20
He clearly mention he needs help to PTO another country.
In this one: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-salami-party-kroatia-finland-and-estonia-2122500/1/20
He claims to have TO some parties with his "Salamillito rename" he did it once to eBE then left in shame PANDA.
And finally.. it will show you how ChristijanXD is caring for eBE citizens..
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-goodby-2330032/1/20
Yes dear citizens for ChristijanXD eBelgium citizens are just primitives and without culture.
I think if someone is following ChristijanXD or protects him it's that he's a PTOer or a real idiot.
Of course I saved these article in local so I can screenshot it at will even if the articles disappears suddenly 😉
pls dont lie , you are PTO HOPE so pls dont eat shot!
Ptoing hope? Did you fall on your head? I work very hard for HOPE. And many HOPE members will tell you that I'm trying to help HOPE.
The fact you accusate me of PTOing is as ridiculous as yourself.
You made me laugh enough for having my laugh quota today 😉
Oficial pp candidats for this month is L.Lucassus.
"Official" you mean the one YOU have chosen, sounds like dictatorship to me. Everyone is able to candidate in elections and honestly if I won it's because HOPE wanted me to be PP. I can't say the same for L Lukausus who got votes from PANDA and even gave CS on elections day to gain a vote 😉
en español lorce, no t olvides de tus origenes 😢
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jajajaja, es que si lo traduzco pierde el impacto 😛
Actually, we are not being racists.
Get your facts right, we are discriminating people about their eNationality not about their race. As far as I know none of us thinks that the concerned people have another race.
So all the accusations of racism are wrong because when this is true we would do a discrimination,
And to VP:
As far as I know, every gov member is actively playing this game, so you can write him a PM and ask for questions. So they are available.
To ChristijanX😨
I'm impressed with you, I never thought one could actually live in eBelgium RL, that's amazing !
And you have a very sexist view !
Greetings MCKitkat
You are racists. I was on the forum long enough. Longer than anyone here. The immigration procedure is the biggest racist scam ever seen. Anyone with a Eastern-European background has a very very little chance of getting in, unless he knows someone in eBE. Don't lie, we both know how it's done.
Stoip lying Shadowucks I was IO and trust me I was very fair and I was even too nice with immigrants. The first thing I was told when I was in gov for the first time was to follow my heart when taking a decision.
In the end you're just making some false accusations without proofs.
I can't say about you specifically but more than often have I seen decisions on immigration being based on the nationality of the guy requesting it. As soon as 2 or 3 Eastern-Europeans of the same former CS request eBE CS, the entire country screams "PTO!... This must be a plot" (because *obviously* all Eastern-Europeans are PTO'ers)
I've been here a lot longer than you are so I think I know what I'm talking about. I've been complaining about this practice for years btw. If you look in the immigration topic you will find several older posts where I addressed this issue.
So don't fucking call me a liar when I'm not.
First, Lorcema, I've been accused here too (by PTOers), so you could ask me too about some things, but ok.
Second, If someone who is accused with SS and evidences about PTO, is selling story about: "democracy" and that things.
Also, I'm revolted by this statments, and I'm writing 2nd PART of PTO truth! So, people, you will see true PTOers! (again)
About Christijan and Marko Klis, I can give my life that they are PTOers, and I will delivery couple of SS where Christijan is addmiting that he is PTOer!
Marko, shame on you, and your lies. Also, when you go back to Croatia, I will go back to Serbia. No problem. Just, it's a bit lame to hear that message from failed PTOers!
2ND PART OF PTO TRUTH IS COMING!
Hey Cika, I didn't interview you because you are giving info by yourself, and the gov is trusting you. I'm not against the gov, but I wanted to show other perspectives, so everybody could read and have an opinion of what is going on.
I don't want to overcook my popcorns, hurry up with the 2nd part 😃
What about me? Am I a PTO'er too? According to that document I am. Yet I'm the oldest eBelgian around. I'm a former president and I've been congressman for countless times. Strange how that makes me a PTO'er all of the sudden.
This whole PTO-bussiness just reeks hypocrisy and political assassination of opponents.
I am not PTO-er you A** LICker! What a prove you have about me? You did not led all actions to get me for PP or some other position in eBelgium! Everything you do is to put your A** in place where are you now!
I can put my hand in fire that you are probably double spy who do all this for some of your interest! Time will show am I a right or not
Yes, sure.
I got on this place since first Prime Minister resigned, and Goverment voted for me to get on PM function. Also, PTO team got MoD, and what happend?
Double spy, oh, yes I am. 😃
I got 5 gold from CM medal. Nothing more.
Sure, and, just tell me, what are my intrests in this all?
What's going on?
Some bad guys want to take over Belgium. You're too young maybe to understand just yet... 🙂
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It's good to see "the other side of the story", vote for that. Shame that it's full of BS and hypocrisy.
P.S. I'm waiting for the second part of the PTO article by Cika Nikola96! See you then suckers... 😃
You can suck my, you now what! 😃
Why you didn’t follow the procedures to give CS? hahahahaaaha
GPS style est imperare orbi universo
Stenka pt, juira con tu revolucion del proletariado!
Hablando en serio, las manias del GPS trascienden 😃
hablando en serio? asi que si seguis el procedimiento formal de las CS en un fichin es mas importante que la rabochie revolutsia?
Apreta el boton de prioridades, parece que esta apagado
😃 Y eso que me han gustado los intentos de implementación del comunismo, lástima que el ser humano sea tan traidor de sus propios ideales
VINCENT PAIN 4 CP
GWJ 4 CP sound better
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lol, this was an interesting read. 😃
I like the public opportunity to defend themselves and answer the questions that interest eBe citizens.
I've never talked to shadowukcs but he seems like leader a true rebel.
vote
like a leader, a true rebel*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaiHTvifGt0
Headhunterz - Dragonborn
XD
HEADHUNTERZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4zxWGUXi9M
Phuck the Gov Rebel with us!
I had patience and follow the procedure to get my CS and i totally support the heavy control they make to approve cs. Anyone with brains see that this system is the better to a country like eBelgium.
And it really improve the proactive relation with the community.
Some smartasses think they could make eBelgium a fool, so time to return your homes bastards!
ChristijanX😨 Sword sharp, road open!
LOL, in the screenshots that I, eVladimir and Cika Nikola have provided from their private talks they clearly admit that they are PTOers, but now they want to defend themselves? What a hypocrisy! I am not sure whether they still believe that the people in eBelgium are stupid.
(NOTE: of course, I am excluding shadowukcs. He may be 'this' or 'that', but he definitely is not, and cannot be PTOer!)
Thank you master for you lofty thoughts!
Oh, you are not denying once again? Hmm... Strange...
ChritijanXD is a good man. Stop razisam and primitivismus!
YES, YES, YES!!! three times YES. (ok this is 4th time) STOP RAZISAM AND PRIVITIVISMUS... Hey douch, who is the primitive actually? Cristijan who came on eBelgium land and make this statements or we who try to defend ourselves from some morons that have only the taste of the gold? I still can't decide myself.. Douch! Mister Lanus Christijan maybe is a good man only in your imagination.
Interesting, isn't it, that people complain against eBe for doing exactly the same things other countries tray to do to protect themselves. Here's yet another article, citing what is done in many other countries, and what the dangers are for small countries. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/let-s-chat-5-can-we-control-immigration-prevent-ptos--2335090/1/20