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Time for a Modern History Lesson...

Day 1,830, 18:23 Published in Australia Australia by Tim_Holtz

Ok after seeing a screenshot of a conversation that roboz had with Detroit34 I noticed a little gem of information.



Now apparently we are too ignorant to know the crimes of the Nazis(not going to bother here) or Communists

We are too ignorant to know about:
-Various ethnic groups who were killed during the Russian civil war in 1919
-War crimes against Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia which included rape, murder and Deportation to various places during the Second World War
-Hungary in 1956
-Invasion of Afghanistan

Thats Russia covered, now let’s very briefly cover some others
:
-North Korea is in progress technically
-PRC and its civil war with ROC (plus many other protests)
-Vietnam and its war
-Cambodia and Pol Pot
-anyone in any country occupied that had political views opposed to that of the invaders

I repeat WE ARE TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW THIS

Now as a RL historian I’m sure Detroit34 knows the definition of Communism but for us ignorant fools ill post it

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a Socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

So in other words Communism is a movement in which no one has more than anyone else, a society in which everything is even, no one gets more than someone else based on birthright or class.

So let’s look at RL examples of “Communism”. The USSR is Stalinist not Communist the leadership was not democratically elected. So every war crime done by the Soviet Union is not Communist. It’s a Stalinist War crime.

So for those not following Communism is the idea that all are given equal rights. If a country doesn’t have democracy then the leaders have more power than the people, and the country is therefore not Communist.

Peoples Republic of China? Maoist. Democracy? NO. Again Not Communist.

I could list every “communist” country. Find me one that had democracy and committed mass murders. My point? You can’t. None of these countries had democracy and so undermined the very word communist.

The Word that Detroit was searching for when he said Communist was infact DICTATORSHIP. Now as we know Dictatorships are not exclusive to any economic or political association AND its impossible to have a Dictatorship in eRepublik, the game forces Democracy remember?

Now let’s assume that Detroit34 simply got a bit carried away about his dislike of Communism. I mean he may have gotten carried away but he has a point right? Those lefties are the only ones that do mass murders?

WRONG

There are numerous examples of Capitalist Countries (even democratic ones) committing mass killings and even Genocide.

-USA – American Indians
-UK- Aboriginals (including Genocide in Tasmania), systematic killing of many cultures all over the world
-Iraq under Staddam Hussein (which was funded by the USA)
-Rwanda

Oh and don’t forget the possible 10s of millions that have died because of economic sanctions passed by capitalist countries.




So after all this lets recap

-There has never been a truly communist country in the world, only dictatorial offshoots
-We are too ignorant to know the crimes of these proclaimed “communist countries”
-“Communist” countries are just as bad with mass killings as Capitalists
-It’s impossible to associate the Australian Communist Party (erep) with RL because democracy is an integral part of eRepublik and most if not all RL “Communist” nations were Dictatorships.


So either Detroit34 is close to losing his job as a Historian or he was using RL to slander people in a game using the term Communist.

Thanks for Playing Detroit34 and Those in the GGP that spout RL Hatred, maybe in a few years Weetbix will put History Diplomas in their cereal boxes, and then you can be a real historian!



Thank you
Tim_Holtz

 

Comments

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,830, 18:28

eCommie and proud.

vergolian
vergolian Day 1,830, 18:38

Ok Tim you say leave RL out of it .. SO LEAVE RL OUT OF IT. Seriously we don't need this in public discourse right now.

Tim_Holtz
Tim_Holtz Day 1,830, 18:40

TJ, i refuse to accept being called a mass murderer, im sure you can understand, elite and that crap is ok, but brining RL hatred against me and my friends for a economic and social view is too far

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,830, 18:40

TJ I think the fact is that G'n'G are sending attacking messages to ACP members. I have a few myself. While I do agree that perhaps now is not the time... (I was waiting till after the election myself) I don't think you can begrudge a few replies to the names that Green'n'Gold officials have called us.

Arthur the Elitist Cole
Arthur the Elitist Cole Day 1,830, 18:41

eCommie and proud. x2

infin
infin Day 1,830, 18:50

Stalin's crimes were done in the name of communism. It was the Bolsheivk revolution premised on communist ideology. The fact that the USSR forced upon its people so much poverty and state sanctioned murder just demonstrated how flawed the communist ideology was. As freedom loving capitalists well know. Communism = State Control. Replace a self-organising competitive structure (free market) with a greedy corrupt pig pen of bureaucrats feeding themselves. Nazis are bad and so are Commies.

Tim_Holtz
Tim_Holtz Day 1,830, 18:55

so if steal your lunch money in the name of capitalism does that make capitalism bad? excellent logic there infin.

how about The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) their name says they are Democratic, so does that mean we should hate democracy for the crimes of North Korea?

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,830, 18:59

oh Point to Mr Holtz, Mr Infin would you care to reply?

infin
infin Day 1,830, 19:01

I am putting to you that Communism is impossible, but the aspiration to achieve it causes many human rights atrocities as the State seeks to impose control to achieve its objectives. It is fundamentally flawed. Secondly, it is an offense in erep laws to refer to Nazism (due to its reprehensible nature) and so should it be illegal to refer to communism due to the atrocities it has caused too. Don't make Communism sound pretty cos it ain't.

roboz
roboz Day 1,830, 19:02

infins comment = fail

Tim_Holtz
Tim_Holtz Day 1,830, 19:06

no you are missing the point, you are confusing RL with erep. state control or communing is a legitimate way of organising in erep

communism has never been successful and has always been corrupted in RL, but thats not the fault of the ideology, moreso the inability of the leaders to keep the standards up. ethnic problems causes these murders not ideology

what you suggest is stupid, how exactly do you plan to enforce the game raising taxes and the like? thats a part of communism in erep

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,830, 19:08

wow guys that round deserves no points awarded.... Mr Holtz is still in the lead 1 - 0

Henry the 8th
Henry the 8th Day 1,830, 19:47

Damn Commie Nazis

/me shakes fist

Mr Crumpets
Mr Crumpets Day 1,830, 20:15

"Australia- Aboriginals (including Genocide in Tasmania)"

Actually that should be UK-Aboriginals.

Most of those crimes were committed before 1901, before Australia was a nation.

The first fleet, etc... were sent by the UK to settle and remove the natives. NOT a decision by the Australian people, because the "Commonwealth of Australia" did not exist at the stage.

Arthur the Elitist Cole
Arthur the Elitist Cole Day 1,830, 20:16

Infin makes valid points, he's saying that he personally doesn't believe communism doesn't work IRL, which evidently it hasn't. I don't see why we'd bash on him for stating that...

Sir_c0nstant
Sir_c0nstant Day 1,830, 21:33

mr crumpets is right the British did most of the killings all the aussies have done is take the babies and beer away.


Any form of ideology would work, but they don't because of corruption and greed.
Those states that tim mentioned all are built on the premise of a communist state regardless of leader, but correct in the fact of flawed communist states for reasons given.

Sir_c0nstant
Sir_c0nstant Day 1,830, 21:35

Same premise for the capitalist states but they are stronger because they are normally founded on democracy giving the lower classes the choice and thus the inclination of being free, which is a way legitimises wars, regardless of wrong or right.

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,830, 21:56

Sir C so needs to join the ACP....

Sir_c0nstant
Sir_c0nstant Day 1,831, 23:06

bollocks i'm a capitalist

Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen
Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen Day 1,831, 23:11

Only until the re-education ceremony.....

Kami Carmine
Kami Carmine Day 1,831, 23:14

So am I SC; but the ACP has a great group of people.

DocterDryMOIST
DocterDryMOIST Day 1,831, 23:44

Lets add things up guys.

So far Detroit is a

Trade unionist
Student unionist
Historian.

This guy is everything it seems.

BOUD1CCA
BOUD1CCA Day 1,831, 00:50

May I just add here
that after watching Iron Sky
I would like to be a Space Nazi in eRep
is that OK or will it get everybody's knickers in a twist?
a bit like is going on now

Binda33
Binda33 Day 1,831, 17:50

Being a Space Nazi looks almost cool apart from the risk of anyone accidently opening an airlock and having it suck all your clothes off...

Henry the 8th
Henry the 8th Day 1,831, 18:37

"Being a Space Nazi looks almost cool apart from the risk of anyone accidently opening an airlock and having it suck all your clothes off... "

.... Space Nazis ftw \o/

supereviloverlord
supereviloverlord Day 1,831, 20:34

Oh and you wouldn't have to worry about your clothes being sucked off, at least not any more than not having any air to breath.

Oh and doesn't student unionist mean communist?

Tristan93
Tristan93 Day 1,831, 20:53

to the Space Nazis

Alla Xul cr1so
Alla Xul cr1so Day 1,831, 21:19

Detroit i think i'm sure that you don't have to preached me or even remind me of what happened to pretty much most of human history because i know what you know or maybe more really Don't even start on war crimes and human right violations. Everyone is accountable in this world not only one party ok. I think it is safe to say that none communist country or party cause more suffering and pain to all of humanity compared to what communist have than.

Alla Xul cr1so
Alla Xul cr1so Day 1,831, 21:24

Who is the number 1 anti communist country in this world that dropped the most bombs, killed the most innocent people and cause the most biggest suffering in all of world human history. Your the clever one detriot you should know the answer to that.

supereviloverlord
supereviloverlord Day 1,831, 21:36

cr1so: If you look at death toll what the US did was pretty insignificant compared to Stalin and Mao.

Not that it justifies the message, but you are better off using accurate information.

Alla Xul cr1so
Alla Xul cr1so Day 1,831, 22:45

supereviloverlord mate there is no such things losing one innocent life is insignificant. Like i said everyone is accountable. And yes my information accurate as it can get. You tell me who else in human history ever used atomic bomb and dropped the most bomb in pretty much every part of the world?

Alla Xul cr1so
Alla Xul cr1so Day 1,832, 23:00

i am proud ecommie. i faken love my weetbix and Vegemite on toast so what.

supereviloverlord
supereviloverlord Day 1,832, 00:02

So icetek brings fiction into it.

cr1so: The use of nuclear weapons was pretty insignificant in terms of death toll, so is war (a lot more people have been murdered by their own governments than have died in wars).

Icetek Day 1,832, 00:12

Comment deleted

Icetek
Icetek Day 1,832, 00:17

@super
You have a hard time understanding people have different views then you. If everyone was the same, what a boring world this would be. The way you criticize other people like many on here just shows your no different from a dog. You eat, piss, shit, and bark.

The NUCLEAR WEAPONS thing, buddy don't forget that Japan was invading Australia and the Nukes put a stop to Japan. What exactly are you complaining about. Live your life and be proud you have land under your feet.

supereviloverlord
supereviloverlord Day 1,832, 00:24

Icetek: You referred to a book called the bible, which is known to be fiction.

Oh and Japan was already defeated when the US dropped those two bombs, they just hadn't surrendered.

Icetek
Icetek Day 1,832, 00:24

Quit being so arrogant, you cant see anything past what only you have to say. Its disgusting, learn to view others people opinions before you criticize. and 2nd of all, why is America even involved in this article?

What is this....one of those things where you f@k up and then go.....well America did it worse?

You guys sure talk a lot about other countries when your own country is having problems and being over run by other cultures. Quit looking at others and look at yourself first.

Icetek
Icetek Day 1,832, 00:28

The last one wasnt ment for you super.....just "others"

As far as the bible goes, that's your opinion, and even tho im not religious myself. But for you to say bible is false, i sure hope you say EVERY religion is false then.

Besides, the death toll because of religion is still #1 by any definition.

Radca73
Radca73 Day 1,832, 01:18

Dear ecommies. Hammer and sickle, which you're using is a symbol of communistic oppression and mass murders. 100 millions died, cause they don't agree with an ideology of "equal rights". And this is not a dictatorship as you suggest. Behind those crimes was an army of people, all commited to this sick ideology. Freedom of living in a communistic country was restricted to those two options: stay with Party and get benefits and privilages or be against Party and expect terror.

Radca73
Radca73 Day 1,832, 01:32

And about economy in communism. People don't care about profits and prestige of company, in which was employed. It doesn't matter if you've worked for 2 hours or 40 hours - you will get same salary, as others. Many people was stealing from their companies to gain extra profits. Why? Because it's all our goods. And no one own it. Because of this communistic countries slowly turns into ruin. They couldn't beat capitalistic economy and market rules.

BOUD1CCA
BOUD1CCA Day 1,832, 01:41

Icetek arn't you from the US?
If so it may explain your woeful ignorance about Australia.
even worse you don't seem to know your own history
your comments about the atom bombs saving Australia from invasion
Its like supereviloverlord said - in fact its even worse
The battle of the Coral Sea put a stop to Japanese expansion.
All of this is RL dragged into eRep - I know it happens, but geez get some balance here : (

BOUD1CCA
BOUD1CCA Day 1,832, 01:43

As far as Space nazis go. only Space Nazi men are in trouble if they accidentally open an airlock
Space Nazi women (especially good looking & well endowed ones) worse that can happen to them is they get their uniforms sucked off

supereviloverlord
supereviloverlord Day 1,832, 02:24

Actually it was Pearl Harbour that put a stop to Japanese expansion.

Xavier Griffith
Xavier Griffith Day 1,832, 02:44

Firstly, I agree wit Tim, there is a difference between erep communism and RL Communism, and frankly RL destinctions should be left out of erep. 2ndly, no so called communist country has ever been truly communist, they have all ended in dictatorships, that's not communism. 3rd, while its true that no RL communist country has ever been truly communist, it's also true that no RL so-called communist country has been able to meet the ideals of the communist ideology, the USSR collapse

Xavier Griffith
Xavier Griffith Day 1,832, 02:48

Is a classic example, china however has understood this and is trying to rectify the economic collapse suffered by the USSR by adopting the one thing that the communist ideology hates, capitalism. Also, @cr1so, which country are your referring to? Surely not the USA? Hitler and the nazis with Stalin killed far more people than the USA.

Tim_Holtz
Tim_Holtz Day 1,832, 03:24

Thank you XG,

i think the point of cr1so's comment was that being a capitalist doesnt simply make you a Saviour to all mankind etc

the US has more than a little blood on their hands due to thirdparty meddling in countries and economic sanctions which left countries starving and got them killed

there is no good guy, RL for this is just ridiculous

Alla Xul cr1so
Alla Xul cr1so Day 1,832, 03:31

thank you for making it clear tim holtz.

BOUD1CCA
BOUD1CCA Day 1,832, 03:40

They calmly scoff at swords and thrones
or else in panic strikes & slays
Blatant bids the world bow down
or cringing beg a crust of praise
And somber drunk in mine and mart
they name their dreary brethren kings
their hands are bloody and their heart
leaps like a babes
at little things.
Rudyard Kipling had their measure - 2 Q7 weps for the first person to guess which nation

Icetek
Icetek Day 1,832, 04:26

"Icetek arn't you from the US?
If so it may explain your woeful ignorance about Australia."

Lol i must be ignorant because you know, it says so on the net ALL Americans are.....How ignorant is that of you to even assume that? You guys are no better then Americans thats the funny thing. Bunch of white kids, Arabs and asians running around trying to talk like gangsters.

Road fights because of road rage, bikers and Arabs owning majority of the businesses in Australia.

Icetek
Icetek Day 1,832, 04:29

I love how when something happens in America when its bad, Australians are all over it, looking for reasons to hate and mock. Where im standing your all a bunch of hypocrites who have nothing better to do then stick your noses in others people business because you cant face your own stank.

Ill be ignorant any time of the day, at least i proud where i come from. Australians can only dream of living a life in America.

How you like them apples!

 
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