These Truths!
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by GLHalJordan
Greetings, my fellow eAmericans.
I had to blow the dust off the presses, it’s been so long since this paper has seen print. However, I felt it was time.
It’s not easy being a superhero. There can be so much to do. You have to balance your personal life with your other identity. You often get called out on missions that you may not come back from. And occasionally, you get to find out that there are some people you can’t save. Some things you can’t do as a superhero. You can’t impose your will on someone else, just because you are stronger or have a ring or a magic lasso. The hardest thing to do is watch a people self-destruct knowing that any action you take as a superhero would be futile.
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
1. That all men are created equal
2. That they endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights
3. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
4. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their power from the consent of the governed
Great words. They were penned by visionaries a little over 236 years ago. The words still ring true. They capture the heart of every American. These words still inspire us to greatness – after 236 years! I guess truth is truth.
I am an officer of a great Military Unit – the US Air Force. An order has just come down to Dishonorably Discharge an airman, one in my unit no less, for speaking out against an unjust order. This man is a damn good fighter and although can be vocal – very vocal – he, for the most part, follows orders. I also consider him a friend.
A couple of months back, we had the Great Bacon War, as it was affectionately called. I refer, of course, to the war with Canada. That caused many Americans to be vocal – very vocal. Some refused to fight against Canada and publicly stated so. An entire Military Unit refused to follow orders and then publicly published their refusal. This MU still exists today. Still thrives today. Not one member was Dishonorably Discharged. Many people moved to Canada to fight against the U.S. They were welcomed back into the country. One of them was elected President a short time later.
One of my men speaks out against an order to fire upon U.S. Troops and is ordered to be Dishonorably Discharged. … … … Does that seem right to you? Is the U.S. Air Force the Oliver of eAmerican Military Units? Are we the Tiny Tim?
Above, I started quoting a document. I would like to continue:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Truth is still Truth, I guess.
It’s sometimes hard being a superhero…
Until next time, Keep the Light Shining
Sorry folks. No Gratuitous Girl Picture this time. Not that I couldn’t find one, but because the seriousness of the issue brought above doesn’t quite warrant it.
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Excellent words o/
no girl no vote!
Discipline is the essence of military
A public refusal to fight in certain battles and publicly promoting fighting AGAINST the eUS are two very different things.
Both disobeyed orders.
@ Molly Emma, if i disagree with current Gov i must shut up because they are democratically elected?
so, if RL president of USA wants to nuke France we must keep our mouths shut, cause we voted that SoB.
Giving back our regions are not unjust orders...
You are given the supplies and position you have because congress and potus allows you to.
president orders you to give back those regions.
conclusion: do as you are told or quit the damn unit.
Excellent!
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"A public refusal to fight in certain battles and publicly promoting fighting AGAINST the eUS are two very different things." 😁 Technically, the player was promoting fighting FOR the eUS. Just sayin'.
The player was recommending to non-USAF players to fight against a USAF order. He didn't personally disobey those orders. I hope the government, by ordering the discharge of this player, isn't saying that one player can undermine the entirety of the USAF's damage. That'd be sad. 😮
We give back our regions by allowing them to be taken. Focus our military efforts elsewhere. Have the priorities be for an ally or something. Let them get their regions back by our military doing something else. NOT by ordering a U.S. Soldier to fire upon another U.S. Soldier - and then discharging him for refusing to do it. And that's after an entire military unit refused to follow orders. After a man who became president refused to follow orders, left the country and fought for the enemy
I hope the government, by ordering the discharge of this player, isn't saying that one player can undermine the entirety of the USAF's damage. That'd be sad.
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You should tell the truth, as a superhero, especially when your article is titled "These Truths." He wasn't discharged for disagreeing, or speaking his mind. He was discharged for actively and repeatedly telling people, including members of the Air Force and others in USAF, to fight against orders.
And we'd love to give back our regions by letting their original owners take them. To the extent we can do that, we will. But we have this problem in the eUS, where there are a lot of folks who will fight to keep those regions American because it serves their own interests despite the better interests of the eUS. Eventually those bonuses will be gone, and those people will leave.
"A public refusal to fight in certain battles and publicly promoting fighting AGAINST the eUS are two very different things."
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I have to say from what I read, that the soldier obviously deserved the DD. The territories in Spain, if acknowledged to be returned by the US President, should be returned. If you are a US service member and you wish to be supplied for eternity, I'd suggest following NSC guidelines.
@ Avruch, did you ask RL americans about that?
you just give orders. MAYBE people don't agree with your decision.
US interests 😁 you sell your country to ONE
Again, both publicly disobeyed orders. One is being punished.. the other one was not.
For the record, I am all about getting the rabble out of the U.S. America: Love it or Leave it. And those who are only here for their own interests should be gone. I just think that asking a US Soldier to fire upon another US Soldier is not the way to do it.
"I just think that asking a US Soldier to fire upon another US Soldier is not the way to do it."
And if it was a Region Swap? Idk, what you mean by this. I think you don't realize what the orders actually were.
I do not agree, "an order to fire upon U.S. Troops " This is not totally true, because those regions are not even official US territory. Just Random regions we happen to own.
I don't know, Hal, the difference between choosing not to fight and encouraging people to fight against orders seems pretty obvious to me.
In the Pakistan RW a few days ago, I was "killing" my brethren on Admin Beta War Module. Now we have one region, I never saw one Iranian account on the opposite side. And we won, figure that out.
USA is the biggest commie country: if you don;t agree with gov's decisions you are enemy of the state 😁
it was like that in Eastern Europe and Russia some 22 years ago.
Did Congress vote to give back the regions? The POTUS can't make unilateral decisions on his own free will. That would be what Congress is for. Checks and balances otherwise we have a dictatorship. Might as well hand the keys over to AJay and let him have at it. Someone tell me how giving up our bonuses stops a PTO. If someone wants to PTO us they will even if we are 0/100. The elected are there to serve the people not order them around like servants.
One does not simply walk into Mordor.
just to clarify,
As a soldier if fought the orders as I always do.
As a citizen of our country I do not believe the plan is the correct course for our country and protested it using my freedom of speech. As stated by others I was not asking eusaf members to disobey orders I was asking the rest of the us citizens not to fight for indo hoping that they would share my political beliefs.
In the airforce I was suggesting to members that if they feel as I do that they can avoid fighting for Indo by holding their fights till priority #1 "indo" hits 55% at that point they can fight for priority #2 "Argentina" . We have been instructed not to waste our damage when wall hits 55% but rather to move down to the next priority.
So as you can see, "weather you like it or not" I was following orders and explaining to others how they can follow the orders and still follow their political beliefs.
Chance: Yes, they did.
We're not returning our regions to promote our sovereignty. We're returning some of our regions to encourage favorable relations with Indonesia and Spain. As you've seen, we've made no efforts to return regions to Mexico or, our long-time ally, France. In short, your elected official, has taken it upon himself to change sides against the popular will of the people. Even with Canada, another long-time ally, it was never ordered to fight for them. Double standard much?
it's a volunteer army, no one is drafted. we choose which group to join, and we agree to their rules.
the Air Force is government subsidized in exchange for agreeing to follow directives given by the President and SecDef. there are other fighting units who are not so obligated, who may opt to or not to follow the Government's Orders. but even there, a member of the group must follow the rules of that group or face some sort of disciplinary action-- at the discretion of that group's leadership.
These are Political Belief's: Far-Left, Center-Feft, Center, Center-Right, Far Right with any Combination of the following; Anarchism, Libertarianism, Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism. There is even some room to move here by choosing none of the above and becoming a billboard.
What you are describing as "Political Beliefs" is Pacifism, by which the best thing you could have done is resign from the Military.
the US Declaration of Independence is very cool. so is our RL Constitution. neither are in play in the eUS.
eRep's government structure of President and Congress, supplemented by most countries' meta-game Cabinet and Forums, may emulate the type of RL government that eRep country's players are most familiar with.. here, we do a thing very much like our RL Government-- including the government, from President and Cabinet right through Military and Congress-- doing whatever the fu*k they want to.
Refusing to fight on an order is one thing, fighting directly against an order is entirely another. You may fight with your fellow soldier or you may get out of the way, you may not fire back.
This is a short-sighted decision.
When you receive government money, you fight where the government tells you. Is this not apparent?
And i did fight where i was told following the orders at hand
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sometimes-we-don-039-t-agree-2113748/1/20
A little perspective on the issue of free speech in the USAF.
Avruch, you are RL american?
I agree Spooner; and while the case can be made for eIndo these same cases cannot be associated with treacherous eSpain whom we should annex until eRep's Domain name lease expires.
Well sounds like usual Slyk Willy's expression of opinion, nothing new to me.
I remember when we were fighting with eCanada, and being a "good" soldiers...
Then, there was ST6, who decided to stay away from eCanada war as whole MU... I don't remember hearing them being punished for not following presidents orders.
I distinctly remember a whole branch of the USAF disobeying POTUS orders and the commanding officer of that branch actually posting a "shame-and-blame" article for those who wouldn't see the wisdom of the decision to stand down. While possibly being slightly more subtle and eloquent, disobedience is disobedience. So if the government has finally set out to punish actions like that, I would expect and hope to see that these rules apply to ALL and there will be no more of the usual tippy toeing.
lol Ignas2526. You seem to have remembered the same thing! Now, how about that... 😁
"The player was recommending to non-USAF players to fight against a USAF order. He didn't personally disobey those orders. I hope the government, by ordering the discharge of this player, isn't saying that one player can undermine the entirety of the USAF's damage. That'd be sad."
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Kolil, yes.
@JB: St6 didnt tell people to fight for Canada, they said that they were moving to Brazil temporarily as to abstain from the conflict. Slyk didn't do that, he decided to solicit damage from other people in his place, which is damn near just as bad as placing it there himself. It is not the conduct of an officer or a soldier to actively push damage towards the opposing side of your unit, regardless of your moral qualms with the issue.
So sugar coating what ST6 did, even though they made it public and well-known somehow differs from the situation?
Seems legit.
I cant help but to be a smart ass and warn all your eusaf personal that agreeing with my freedoms might get the whole Airforce discharged, LMFAO
Wake up and smell the cow dung here, its a witch hunt and im burning on the cross
@CA: The commanding officer of ST6 published a very public newspaper article stating they were standing down and that the american people deserved better than their government. If they were just standing down, they could've moved to wherever they wanted WITHOUT the publicity. Publicity is what you go for when you want to INFLUENCE people. You are not saying that simply being eloquent in writing an article can help you get away with disobeying direct orders, are you?
It is beyond the scope of my power to be any judge in the current situation and I won't try to be one. However, as an eUS soldier and human being, I believe any government that works for the good of its people should use rules that apply to EVERYONE. Doesn't work very well in real life... do we have as lousy a society in here as the RL one?
@ Avruch, then i respect your orders until the 5th.
Slyk: why can't you just do the adult thing and admit you were in the wrong? Pointing at others and going "but he did x,y,z" just makes you seem as though you are in a playground and even more immature. There is a huge difference between stepping away from a conflict and actively encouraging others to fight on the wrong side. I don't always agree with some orders, but orders are orders, and there is usually another battle that can be fought within orders instead of the one you disagree with.