The Wall of Shame (minus the wall)
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by Kylero
Our country is under assault! Some in our Congress and government have chosen to pursue a plan to sell our nation's Presidency to the highest bidder. The BfB candidate for President is not interested in winning your vote, he just wants to be president, and will pay (maybe) gold to "somebody" should he win. The plan is to get him elected, get his money, then impeach him, yet ThomasRed, the BfB PP, has stated on the forums that the candidate is "good for Belgium". A reasonable person can conclude that the BfB does want this guy to win, and to stay in power. With 50% of the seats in Congress, BfB holds the key to impeachment, and if they back out on the plan to impeach, our country will be effectively PTO'd by the French government.
Edit: I have deleted the Wall of people who voted for this plan because it interupts the decorum of the Congress I serve.
Good night, and good luck!
-Kylero
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12 personnes qui veulent que leur pays soit plus riche de 300 gold, maintenant, dans un esprit d'impartialité, tu devrais donner la liste des membres du congres qui ne veulent pas que la Belgique gagne 300 gold
Voulez-vous dire la liste des personnes qui veulent garder notre démocratie? Je pourrais le faire, ou vous pouvez l'écrire vous-même et essayer d'expliquer au peuple belge la façon dont vous voulez faire une parodie de nos élections.
I'm sorry, but that vote was private.
I wasn't selling out our democracy, I was selling out the stupid medal that comes with it to an idiot who wants to pay for it.
Thank you for blacklisting a group of people that only tried to help eBelgium the way they saw fit. Thank you for creating a fearmongering article to scare uninformed citizens with false claims of PTO and corruption. Also, were you not the person who suggested we raise taxes on the basis that most of our citizens would not notice?
Legitimately financing our government through taxes is nothing to be ashamed of. And I by saying not notice, I meant that most players do not notice Income Tax, am I right? I've heard countless people, even older eRepublikans say that they don't know what it is, just that it is a tax. For any interested citizens who want to discuss the tax code, please contact me or log onto the forums, we'd love to have a healthy debate about that. If you don't, the government will be obliged to fulfill its duties to see to it that our needs are met. Paying taxes is patriotic, selling our Presidency is treason!
Indeed this vote was private and shouldn't have been revealed.
I do not see how it is treason when we will initiate the impeachment process as soon as possible once the candidate who has paid is elected. It is within game mechanics and the gold will benefit our country. Most of the opposing argument comes from a moral standpoint. Within a game like this, morality serves little more than to hinder our progress at times when the game mechanics standpoint would be more beneficial to our country.
Well thanks for telling the world who voted for it, I voted it because if we actually impeach him then that's 300g. However under no circumstance would I officially support this without a congressional majority.
I've taken out the names. But nowhere does it explicitly say that I can't expose elements of the private forum. I think that this topic was not even supposed to be in the private forum, its not a matter of national security. Instead, it was a plan to fool the public. Just because it was in the private forum doesn't mean it is private, it should have been moved, but who was going to move it? The people who could have (not Innos) were in favor of the plan and had an interest in keeping it private. You shouldn't be able to put something in a private forum just to cover your a$$es. And I think this is an issue of transparency above all.
Don't forget to tell that it's you who have started the thread vote in the private forum... 😁
"Reported for public accusations without proof" I didn't report it, but posting private conversations or proof that is off-site without the other person's consent is against in-game rules.
Oh no wait. It seems I did the same thing in comments as well. I should listen to my advice more often.
@Thomas
I did it so some of you could clear your name, and because I knew I'd get what I'm getting now if I'd posted in public.
@M.Leviathin
A private forum that is accessible to around 40 people is not a private discussion. Also, the law states that no QUOTATIONS from private discussions without consent are allowed. I don't recall you writing your name in a private discussion.
Even if he gets impeached it will still take 24 hours (enough time to really hurt Belgium).
And as been said by those pro selling this is a game so how can we know that the paying president won't just take as much as he can? Or is the moral of a guy who wishes to buy a CP medal so great that we should trust him with the most important seat of the country?
Not to mention that the first day of his presidency will be the first day of V2, full of bugs, and we can't be guaranteed everything will work.
Those who favored this plan are free to say so publicly, if they think it is truly for the benefit of Belgium. I for one have no difficulty in declaring that I opposed it because it was taking away the right of the citizens to make an informed decision, all for an amount of gold that will soon be gone. Kylero's plan to raise taxes is more just, and if people do not like it, they are also free to donate a portion of their person wealth to the government without strings, as I have already done (more than 50% of what I had, in fact).
MaryamQ, i totally respect your point of view, and i understand it...
But, really, do you support Kylero when he published in this article that our country can be "PTO'd by the French government" ? o_O
>when he published in this article that our country can be "PTO'd by the French government" ?
And that is exactly what is happening, thomasRED. You sold out our country to some fench medalhungry idiot with deep pockets.
Treason, that's the only word I have for it.
But then again, what would a guy, who's been impeached twice as president, know of loyalty and fulfilling the responsibilities as president.
Why does everyone view it as a risk is involved, HE cannot do anything except attack without congressional permission. The only real argument is morality. STOP saying that there is a risk.
We need 19 votes to impeach him, can you guarantee that there will be 19? Maybe do a survey first? Only 24 voted in the private forum. Many of the yesses came from people who are not active, and only signed on to vote yes. Do we want to put our country's fate in the hands of 5 people not voting?
Such foolishness. Still, if this plan is to be executed then as a known independent I am willing to hold the 300 gold in escrow in my org, YBR Bank. If he is not elected president I donate the money back. If he is elected then after his impeachment I donate the money to Thore or the national bank of his choice.
A president is only dangerous when there is an open war with a neighbour. All that PTO presidents can do is retreat and attack.
@Rain Beau: The point of the 300 gold is that it goes to Belgium, not Thore.
eBelgium, land of idiots. And I'm part of it 😛
And what if the impeachment fail? We are stuck whit him?