The Socialist Alternative
Day 617, 12:46
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by BotherMe
Capitalism today
Most eCountries live under the capitalist economic system. In short, it means private capitalists own enterprises and take a part of the value of their workers labour. This gives them profit, and profit gives them power to decide what the society should focus on. They decide whether the money should go to investments, higher salaries or just right into their pockets. In other words, the capitalists have power.
Workers on the other hand, have nothing to offer but their labour. If they don't go to work, they starve, reach a wellness of 0, and die. The workers have to work and the capitalists provide work, which makes them even more powerful, as they control both wages and salaries. Capitalists and workers have opposite interests.
The socialist alternative
The Communist Parties of the world recognize this inner conflict in the capitalist system, and we have a solution. It's called economic democracy. Workers have an interest in democracy. Economic democracy enables the workers to elect the manager they think would do the best job. The Communist Party of Slovakia supports this idea and will continue to do so.
Another very important part of our policies is the planned economy. Capitalists care only about profits. They don't have the good of the whole society before their eyes when they plan future actions. With a planned economy, the state can transfer money from a profitable industry, like food, to a less profitable one, like the hospital industry. Hospitals, defence systems and houses take a lot of labour force to produce, and aren't a very good way for capitalists to make money.
My ideas, and indeed the ideas of the Communist Party are therefore to create a planned economy and democratise it
BotherMe
Slovakian Communist Party
Most eCountries live under the capitalist economic system. In short, it means private capitalists own enterprises and take a part of the value of their workers labour. This gives them profit, and profit gives them power to decide what the society should focus on. They decide whether the money should go to investments, higher salaries or just right into their pockets. In other words, the capitalists have power.
Workers on the other hand, have nothing to offer but their labour. If they don't go to work, they starve, reach a wellness of 0, and die. The workers have to work and the capitalists provide work, which makes them even more powerful, as they control both wages and salaries. Capitalists and workers have opposite interests.
The socialist alternative
The Communist Parties of the world recognize this inner conflict in the capitalist system, and we have a solution. It's called economic democracy. Workers have an interest in democracy. Economic democracy enables the workers to elect the manager they think would do the best job. The Communist Party of Slovakia supports this idea and will continue to do so.
Another very important part of our policies is the planned economy. Capitalists care only about profits. They don't have the good of the whole society before their eyes when they plan future actions. With a planned economy, the state can transfer money from a profitable industry, like food, to a less profitable one, like the hospital industry. Hospitals, defence systems and houses take a lot of labour force to produce, and aren't a very good way for capitalists to make money.
My ideas, and indeed the ideas of the Communist Party are therefore to create a planned economy and democratise it
BotherMe
Slovakian Communist Party
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Oh, my god, why do you think so?
"Capitalists and workers have opposite interests."
Such stupidity. Workers have the same interests as capitalists -own profit.
"Workers have an interest in democracy."
Such stupidity. They do NOT know the real meaning of the word democracy, because democracy do NOT mean that the quantity decides, but that the decision can be reached only between the responsibles - that the quality decides.
Real socialism means that everyone can work alone and give a part of his own profit to the commune, but NOT working in a company owned by everyone.
We believe that the common people are intelligent enough to run their own business. And of course workers and capitalists have opposite interests, think about it. If wages go up, profit goes down and vice versa.
Andrejko you aren't making a very good argument at all. You sound like a capitalist. The worker is stupid. He doesn't know anything about democracy. Him and the guy making money off his labor have the same interests. Doesn't add up.
Sure the worker wants profit but he also cares about his country. Also he ISN'T making the profit he deserves. If I produce 20 units of grain when I work do you really think I am getting paid what those would sell for? No of course not because then the "boss" wouldn't make any money yet is he making the resources? Nope.
And like I mentioned above about workers caring about their country, capitalist company owners ONLY care about profit, they make companies around the globe, they out compete local companies and steal workers in regions that have too many companies already and not enough workers. They cut each others throats and don't care if they destroy the economies of whole countries.
With a planned economy companies are made to work together so that what is needed is produced and there are just enough companies to give jobs to every worker. Since they are government owned the profits benefit the country which in erepublik is basically the exact same thing as the workers.
BotherMe,
maybe it is a high mathematics for you:
capitalist is a person,
worker is a person,
You assume that both catch from the same cookie, yes?
If the capitalist has the bigger part of a cookie, then the worker has the smaller part of the cookie, right?
Can you follow this?
And now maybe it is too hard for you, but please try to follow it.
If the worker has the bigger part of a cookie, then the capitalist has the smaller part of the cookie, right?
Why to you think that you can decide which person should have the bigger part of a cookie?
I say that the quality decide not you.
But it follows a miracle, because you say that
"common people are intelligent enough to run their own business", (like they have a quality to run it) but for me sound this as
common people are intelligent enough to be capitalists.
Maybe they're not educated enough to run the company themselves, but they're intelligent enough to vote for the one with the best ability to lead the company (and that might indeed be the previous capitalist, if the workers want that). The fact that the manager of the company can be removed forces the manager to make decisions that benefit the country and the workers.
And by the way, I don't think capitalists should get any cookie at all.
Josh Mahurin,
of course if you are stupid enough and cannot be like BotherMe says
"common people are intelligent enough to run their own business" and you cannot be a capitalist, then you must say such mist, like one person works for the country and other person works for yourself. And Lenin know that the person which work for my country is sionist - you says - is socialist.
Please do NOT make such mistake - the globalisation/liberalism/ateism/sionism is not capitalism.
Capitalism is a brother of socialism - both these ideologies are product of proletariat/workers. NONE of them could exist without proletariat/industry workers. Lenin knows that, marx knows that, Engels knows that and you do NOT know that?
the differentation between capitalists and workers is that workers have a class consciousness,so workers think under a class point view,for the welness of all the workers.
Capitalists unit their opinion,their forces only when their power is under attack.
BotherMe,
you have a mishmash in your head.
Please can you explain why do you think that worker which owns his own bussiness is not capitalist?
And I expect that you think that it exists only manual work and nothing others, RIGHT?
Andrejko, a capitalist is a person who lives off other people's labour. As soon as the workers own their companies together, the capitalist class is eliminated. Capitalist and factory manager is not the same thing. A manager has power over the production, a capitalist owns the means of production.
Compagno, The capitalists do have class consciousness, be sure of that...
Compagno,
other stupidity like this.
Workers are a class, yes?
Capitalists are a class, yes?
Workers are such inteligent class that they works for benefit the workers class, but so stupid that they cannot have own bussines, right?
Capitalist are so stupid that they cannot work for the benefit of its class, but such inteligent that they can run own bussiness, right?
You have NOT read the JEWISH Capital and know NOTHING about Lenin, Marx, Engels.
BotherMe,
do you read after you write?
Like such sentence:
"As soon as the workers own their companies together, the capitalist class is eliminated"
sound like
As soon as the workers own their companies together, tey form a new capitalist class and eliminates the rot capitalists.
Please
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it is better suited for such discussions. If you do so, I am prepared disscuss on this. All parties from eSlovakia have there his own group and can make own bussiness like you say.
fairytales 😃
Everybody wants profit (in RL and in eRep), so everybody is finding place, where can obtain some profit.... so everybody must find such a place, where is economy bad now... and in that place (as Slovakia) he can made profit... but need just one.. low taxes and low import taxes (Slovakia has a few middle resources).
So if everybody want profit... everybody must find a place, where is not tough market... at the Slovakia they can earn money, because there is low taxes, low import taxes and low costs of labour.
So who can help SLovakia... My answer is that must free market and ambition of everyman earn more money 🙂.
But this is description of capitalism..not socialism or communism 🙂
Write me here your theory 🙂 What will people really do.
If communism would be at the Slovakia, most of inhabitatns will emigrate..who will work then here 😃 ???
BotherMe,
you have really NOT read the jewish Capital, right?
The capitalists own capital and the workers own capital, too. But one capital is bigger and the other smaller.
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Howgh.
no, capitalists own capital, workers own labour force. That is the distinction. I don't care what you call the new class that emerges, as long as everybody is in it.
I have no need to discuss this with somebody who clearly hasn't understood marxism and just blame everybody who understands it for being jewish, which isn't even an intelligent accusation.
yes, after 2 days this article will vanish 😃 so we will not be able to discuss this fairytales 🙂
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A lot of us hates our boss and capitalists....
but just our boss and capitalists give us work and money 🙂
good night
Rumpil, you give your capitalist money, not the other way around. You produce things, things that he sells for more than your wage.
andrejko: a moment,you came me to make marxism lesson? asd
obviusly capitalist have a class consciousness,but the principal intent of class consciousness of capitalist is control the proletariat for avoid that workers take the power.
p.s. in this Marx do a mistake. Capitalist create the weapon that will destroy them (proletariat),how tell Marx,but they keep under control the proletariat with many sistem,for keep their power.
The Capital isn't Bible for me,also that has mistakes 🙂
p.p.s. take it easy 😉
and attention at the words.
Compagno,
yes, I take it easy,
but most of your comrades not.
And at least, yes, i apologize for unapropriate formulations which could harm you.
And why do you think that I cannot give you a marx-leninism lessons? (whats the meaning of "asd" after the first question?
These words was written ONLY because I feel a need to apologize hard words - discussion can follow only at forum.
i'm new slovakian citizen,i don't know all my comrades,but those that i have knowed are very nice (for me) 😃
so...i accepted apologies,but i don't like to take lessons to marxism from who isn't marxism 🙂
discussion is acceptable,but lessons...not.
p.s. "asd" is a expression used on forum-online for express irony
You're all completely missing the point. 90+% of companies are owned through an Organisation (like this one). Orgs cannot vote. Let me repeat that again since repetition is the flavour here, orgs cannot vote.
The government can make a significant impact on the economy through purchasing goods and being a very large consumer. Things like weapons and gifts are common purchases, but hospitals and defence systems should also be included here.
The government can also make a significant impact by owning and operating companies. If they are run for little or no profit there is a perceived benefit to the people through lower prices. People can only afford to buy so much though, since their wage is limited. If the wage isn't limited, the cost of production goes up, increasing the sale price. This means a person still can't afford to buy anything.
The real problem with government owned companies is who controls the Organisations. Governments can (and do) change, meaning a change in who SHOULD control the Org. If the loser is unwilling (or even unable if they go to the real-world hospital, have a car accident etc) to give up their power (the login/pw for the Org) then the system falls apart. Private Orgs are run by the people that own them. There is no requirement to transfer power unless you "sell" the Org, which is easily covered by a contract.
One notice - please do not consider it as a tribute to this disccusion, but ... - I say that for that is http://eslovensko.forumotion.net/" target="_blank">http://eslovensko.forumotion.net/ .
Such blind stupidity like showing by Ninyel Andrievna Cedorov is hard to find.
But maybe Ninyel Andrievna Cedorov can show to comrades where and in which words I defended capitalism.
Ninyel Andrievna Cedorov a little respect would be really nice..
For me rumpil said it ALL.. It is a fairytale 🙂
General Teory of State.. you guys should read it
Slovakia still needs some capitalists.
If there isn't capitalists - No money to the workers.
No workers - No money to the capitalists.
But i am still thinking that the workers is getting the little pieace of the cookie. We should really start atleast one state owned business, example Q1 food. The state owned business should give a wage enough to buy a Q1 food and a little extra. With the time the workers will become better skilled and produce more food and eventually get some extra food. The state wouldn't get money or lose money, but the worker would get some extra money so he/she can live.
This is just a example and i am rly busy so had not time to do maths.
The Socialism is ONLY alternative.
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"Workers have the same interests as capitalists -own profit."
The interests aren't the same at all. The worker wants more for himself and the parasite wants more for himself. Those interests are -opposite-.
A worker receives more if he works for himself or for the community instead of a parasite. It's in the interests of the worker to keep as much as possible. Naturally.