The Logic of Collective Action
Wombatman25
Good day eCanada,
First off, I would like to thank my first 100 subscribers!
There have been many articles recently in the eCanadian media regarding the "rebellion" against the various Norsefire Parties. Mia, Olloyd, Killer2001, and ArdikusV2 have all run against well established Norsefire party leaders. Mia in specific, has run an excellent campaign. She has done tremendously well for a very new player! I also commend her on her conscious decision NOT to buy votes.
The leaders of the norsefire parties have won the elections. Some would call this a loss. Personally, I think that the very fact that there was a rebellion to begin with is a victory in itself. This should be seen as a turning point for eCanada.
I now turn to Why We Lost
It's too simple and easy to say that we lost because Rolo et al. bought and handed out countless tanks. (They of course did buy votes, but that's not the point). We need to look deeper.
eCanada as a whole would benefit from a Norsefire free political atmosphere. So why don't more eCanadians work towards getting rid of Norsefire? Why did 60+ people vote for Killer2001's article but only a handful of people voted for him in the election?
Mancur Olson wrote about a problem that affects groups.
One of his main ideas, the logic of collective action, describes how when a group has a collective goal that requires a contribution from everyone, some will 'free-ride'. In other words: they will rely on other to supply the contribution.
The group in question is the eCanadian population. The goal is getting rid of norsefire. The contribution is of course, voting for a particular candidate. Many people applauded the efforts of Mia and the others but when it came to e-day, they were absent. They relied on other people to go out and vote.
The Three Types of Voters
1. Those who sell their vote: This group is actually the minority and is not as powerful as Rolo and his girlfriend wallly would have you believe.
2. Those who wasted their vote in their party: Some will have trouble understanding this category. How can I waste my vote? Well, take a look at Sperry: he won by a solid 70 votes! Could 50-60 of those votes not have gone towards PTOing a norsefire party?
3. Those who are willing to use their vote in a way that will be of most benefit to the nation.
A long time ago I was in the second group. I even spent some time in the first group. However, now I'm solidly in the third. This shows that there is no reason to despair. We just have to convince the #2s to become #3s
Why all is not lost for eCanada:
Ardikus V2 was one vote away from winning and taking his party back!
Mia lost by 12 votes!
Take a look at the numbers. We almost did it! With better organization and more momentum, we will succeed next month.
The wasted votes in the EPIC election could have pushed these candidates over the top and we would have fewer norsefire parties today. Did Sperry really need that many votes?
Moving Forward
Next month we will rid ourselves of norsefire. We will take these parties from the hands of the corrupt norsefire. However, we need an active contribution from everyone.
- Stop free-riding and relying on others to get things done.
- Stop wasting your votes in your parties when you could vote in an ATO or anti-norsefire action.
- Party Presidents: If you see you are winning by a large margin, tell people not to vote for you.
This is not a battle, it is not a campaign, it's not even a war. This is a crusade and we should treat it as such. This will not be over quickly, this will not be painless, ths will not be without effort. We will eliminate the norsefire plague from our country.
Comments
That's why you need to send PMs. A vast minority of eCanadians read the news, or even care about Norsefire. If you sent them a stirring message, they'd maybe contribute a bit of extra effort that day than usual. (switching parties etc.)
Just my 2c. I voted for Mia.
I was looking around for crusade definitions to apply to your final statement. This one made me chuckle.
"The Crusades were expeditions undertaken, in fulfillment of a solemn vow, to deliver the Holy Places from Mohammedan tyranny."
Holy Places being the parties
Mohammedan being Norsfire.
xD
Yes, this is true. PMs were sent, but not as many as we would have liked.
Thanks for voting for Mia yesterday.
Next election, I will run against a norsefire leader. I will have more time next month. You can expect mass PMs as well as a series of articles.
@Nosyt: haha, yeah. Mohammedan tyranny sounds about right XD
~hyuu~
If your just going to vote and dash are you really taking back a party? You need a group of committed party members to stay and build it. I have never been on a norsfire party forum. I wonder is there an actual active core?
I have been talking to Mia and if we win then we will build a party and stay there. This is not a vote and dash scenario.
Maybe do it one by one... Perhaps going after all the Norsefire parties at once was a mistake?
If your congratulating people who fought against the UK in NFLD and QC I have a hint why this fight against Norse Fire failed
"Could 50-60 of those votes not have gone towards PTOing a norsefire party?"
they certainly could...but who wants to PTO party's? thats a no no
In this case maybe its best not to fight fire with fire and as PP of the #2 party, a position i loath, I wouldnt direct anyone to vote anywhere but where they wanted, even if I did have that clout, which I dont.
I voted in my party because that's where I am a member. Why would I join a party just to vote and leave? because Norsefire must be stopped? Fine, but if all you leave behind is an empty shell of a party with no member support, what's the point?
Leo, scroll up a few comments please 🙂
Mia and myself are planning to create a new party. We're going to build it up, attract new members etc...
Ardikus V2 wanted to bring back an old party. I'm sure there are people that would be happy to join back up
Why should members of Epic and TCO vote in an ATO effort?
For the last 10 months Rolo was on everyCP ballot. The Maority off eCanadian Voted for first the popular CPP candidate and then the popular Epic candidate after CPP was PTO'd. This has lead to a hand picked CP by the political parties and not eCanadians as a whole. Because of CP candiates from CPP and then Epic haveing no real rival in the races, they have grown lazy and complacent. Why try and come up with a presidential platform that can is full of reforms for the betterment of eCanada, when u know that u are the guarenteed winner after u win the EPIC CP primary. Just sit back and collect your new title, medal, and 5gold.
If we remove Norsefire and Rolo from the top 5 political parties he will never be on a CP ballot and two candidates will be forced to campaign and come up with competeing plans on how Canada can prosper.
Competition breeds success!
Yes!
We need Rolo off the CP ballot so that we can have real competitive elections!
I think the same: "I think that the very fact that there was a rebellion to begin with is a victory in itself. "
Rolo needed more than 6 months and a lot of stolen gold to achieve his goals. If more and more people act like TCO party or MDP when the Pardon was granted, Rolo will continue to gain power. Parties that follow Rolo's orders (or maybe they will call them suggestions or agreements) are virtually PTOed and working for Rolo too!
This rebellion showed that it's possible to overturn Rolo's power without money. Just sending PMs and with faith in the good people in eCanada. This is not a void and selfish crusade against a eThief and eTerrorist (someone who use fear to manipulate people) This is a crusade to clean the politics in a eCountry and have a really fun game for all the eCanadians. It's boring and disgusting to live in a eCountry with a strong kleptocracy combined with plutocracy with only 1 "independent" political party. That's why a lot of people left the country (some of them rage-quitted) or just fade away. The social part of this game is the way to retain people and now I personally feel it's ruined!
More than a victory, I feel that this will bring HOPE and I'm sure you will get the support you need in less than 6 months. Maybe in 1 or 2 if you continue the hard work everyday. CONGRATS!
And please remember to create fair rules (laws) when you get the power!
Hmmm, it sounds to me like you should focus on establishing the party before winning the election. Get a logo, publish some articles, set up a form and build the group, and try and make it unique. Just keep in mind that building a party from the ground up take a considerable amount of effort and time.
Personally, I'd really like to the CPF hit the big 5 again.
Here's a plan - You want a Party?
Win a small one, write your articles, send your PM's and build it up so it reaches top 5
Want to know something?, I could have lost Redwood yesterday, and with about 20 minutes of PM's moved all the membership into another Norsefire Party, and your "Power Generator" or whatever it was to be called would be left with about 10-15 zombies, because of course all your voters from other parties that supported your win, would have returned to their normal party, be it EPIC, TCOP, or MDP
So, you'd have a Party with about 20 members in it and the rest of Norsefire would have moved into another Norsefire Party, making it Top 5, or helped make one of our other top Party's that much stronger
Would that have been a Big Win for you? - I think not....
Personally, I'd really like to the CPF hit the big 5 again.
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http://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=16415 just going to leave this here for those dissatisfied with CP election choices
Oh and I did set up some forums, took me an hour saturday night, plus I did up a chatroom for the party. And the number of articles certainly weren't an issue......
"Just keep in mind that building a party from the ground up take a considerable amount of effort and time."
But that's not what they want to do. They want the easy route.
@ Rolo, Id prefer it if all your membership were in one party, I mean its better for everyone,
"Just keep in mind that building a party from the ground up take a considerable amount of effort and time."
But that's not what they want to do. They want the easy route.
Wally, you of all people would know that "easy route" wouldn't you? The experienced PTOer that you are.
It's a good sign when Trolo and his girlfriend Wally are trying to discourage us. It means they're getting concerned.
@Wombatman, you must be new here. I'm doing exactly what I've been doing since October of last year - pointing out the truth that others won't. If you and Mia actually wanted to build something, do it. Start with some articles about New Power Generation. Come up with a logo. Do exactly what Nosyt told you to do. Anything less and you won't get the following that you want.
Cham, Nosyt, and *gasp* Wally are sharing some valid suggestions about how to carry forward. If you just have fun and take playful pokes at Norsefire while building a party base with policy and attentive supporters, you'll fare much better than falling for the emotional+political reaction they only try to provoke.
Don't try to beat them at their own game. Play the game Sperry has followed for a long time and build from there, while trying not to invest too much emotion into what is taken away from you or what you fail to accomplish along the way. I'd have given you guys more support if I knew what it was that I had to buy into for New Power Generation. Sounds interesting so why not present the plans and go on from there. gl!
This whole thing is like the blind leading the blind.
Find someone that understands how the politics in this game work, and you'll be way better off than you are now.
"With better organization..." Heard that before somewhere...
Muglack, we have Sperry, Addy, and others on board. I would say they have considerable experience.
OH - You have Addy?
Fantastic.......
I don't believe that we were able to see how many votes players have in the elections. How could anybody have known that Sperry was winning by 70 votes before having voted? Even if he was in the lead, it could have been by only a few votes.
Yah, except anyone not in EPIC could see the lead before voting, so they should of started mass PM'ing to stop anymore votes from being wasted.
But what do I know, I'm not Addy, he's a real political mastermind. Or Sperry.
womabatman25, winning elections and understanding how the Politics Module work are two completely different things.
I am completely upfront about selling my vote to the highest bidder.
This is a game.