The government, the military, and you.
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by Hinokai
So tonight, as many may know, a clash over political control and intervention into the ADF, our military, occurred, initially sparked by the banning of some loser (Timeoin) from the ADF by intervention of current CP, DocterDry.
Now, many people may not remember a time, but back when we had an active senate, they used to try to get all up in the military's business, wanting to legislate innumerable aspects of the military so they could control whatever they wanted.
As one would assume, the military did not like this. The military prided itself on being separate from politics, it was controlled by it's military marshals, and only by it's military marshals. The Minister of Defence would control funding from the government, and the ADF would in turn organize and fight as per orders of the government. A reciprocal relationship if there ever was one.
As time passed, aspects of the military changed, but one thing never did - the CP and the other members of cabinet never directly intervened in the military's business. The government and the military were two separate beasts, coexisting together with next to no issues between them.
Until, of course, now. DocterDry (who I shall from now on refer to as Discrate1) decided that he did not like Timeoin being in the ADF, as he considered him a threat to the nation, and bypassed the chain of command in order to ban him from ADF.
This was promptly reversed by ADF Marshal Hodds, yet Discrate1 persisted, claiming that he was apparently chief of everything, citing the constitution.
Now, another hop back in time, the constitution was passed into senate among a fecal tornado of various revocations and act implementations, essentially a loaded act, requiring a regular senate vote to be passed but a referendum to change or the like. So apparently, the country is meant to follow this constitution, despite never agreeing to it.
Anyway, as expected, military members have rushed from the wood work in order to defend the ADF's actions in reversing CP Discrate's decision, with threats coming from the government to withdraw funding and that people will regret the 'coup' that is occurring, essentially childish cries from those who didn't get their way.
binda33, apparently also an enemy of the country, has taken a constitutional change to senate, in order to subvert the issue, an action which I personally think is unnecessary (the constitution was as I said, never passed by ADF and so it doesn't apply to it), but in response Discrate and fellow government members have rushed into action claiming that the CP has always controlled and intervened in the military, and that simply is not true, as covered before.
All this is is an attempt by the Discrate government to traipse into the military and do what they want, and that simply will not fly. Threats to cut off funding or remove people simply shows the disregard that the government has for it's soldiers, and it's unacceptable.
I would suggest the government do what has traditionally been done - contact the ADF Marshal or Minister of Defence, and communicate requests. Work down the chain of command rather than bypass and step into places it shouldn't - all it does is cause large and unnecessary backlash.
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I have to agree with Hinokai on this matter.
If he went through the proper channels I.e MHC then i would have no problems with this. Instead Dis, you have acted as a self indulged dictator, who doesn't like the look of someone and want them purged.
inb4governmentstartsflinginginsults
Inb4Hinokaidoessomethingforonce
Oh wait, that wont ever happen. Ever ❤
>Inb4Hinokaidoessomethingforonce
>in after an article written by me
Oh hey I heard you're doing it wrong.
I mean besides bitching.
"The Minister of Defence would control funding from the government, and the ADF would in turn organize and fight as per orders of the government. A reciprocal relationship if there ever was one".
Both spot on and funny as. It's called the ADF - which if true to the homage stands for "Australian Defence Force" is it not? It bears the insignia and is constitutionally commanded by the head of the government of the day. It is financed by the people of eAustralia and is a recipient of taxation revenue via the budget process.
Several ADF members sacrifice a lot to serve this e-nation and we're all proud of them. This is not a slight on them, rather an honest critique of the institution that is the ADF organisation.
We've seen past Prime Ministers take a hard line to being pro-ADF and anti-militia. If this is an accurate depiction of how the ADF itself feels, then why is it that the Government aren't funding private MUs? That's not a whack to the Government, of which I am a part of, rather a rhetorical question to be appropriately posed given how it comes across that the ADF perceives to assume so much independence.
Is the ADF independent of the Government? I think that question is incredible to even ask.
can the discrate government get any more shameful ?
You can call it whatever you want, the fact is at the end of the day there is a commander that makes the internal decisions, and that commander is not the CP but the ADF Marshal (or the MoD, depending on the problem).
There is however the extremely easy process of contacting said person and discussing things with them - it's always worked in the past and shall continue to.
Changing leader ever month does nothing but destabilize the military (another reason I forgot to mention in the article, keeping the military borderline independent helps stability).
Yes, financed by the people, some of the largest tax contributors being ADF soldiers. Part of the reason that threats against the ADF that funding will be cut if we don't fold under government pressure really gets under my skin.
I consider the difference between the ADF and most militia to be relatively small, when you get down to it. The main difference however, is that the ADF is essentially a large group of people with guns who are told where to fight, whereas a militia is a group of people with guns who decide themselves where to fight.
Many militia choose to be militia for the freedom of not being tied down to a country, and while I'm sure that focus aligns many times at homes (and at those times private fighters are often supplied, but in recent times that has slowed since we've been poor), but any sort of consistent funding would have to come at a cost of control of where the damage would go.
Hino at this point add it to the bad things DD has done with his Cp term pile
CP intervention in military staffing/recruitment is silly.
The current constitution was approved by referendum so it is valid, and it does give CP/PM the power of 'Commander in Chief'. I think that is appropriate as the CP is responsible for alliances, wars, etc. It shouldn't extend to politicisation of recruitment/staffing, that is just common sense and as you point out doing so in the past has weakened the ADF and created an unhealthy culture.
I agree a legislative change is not the answer, you can't legislate for common sense.
Direct quote from the manifesto of the ACP:
"* Politics is politics, military is military; the organisation and staffing of the military should be free of political influence"
Timeoin back off & be quiet.
Doctor Dry interfering in the military to the extent you are trying is way out of order.
Please carry out your duties as CP of Australia
AND BOTH OF YOU STOP THIS RETARDED CARRY ON
CP is the boss. Timeoin chose the wrong n^%$#@ to &^%$ with.
It is my understanding that the CP of a country is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of said country. Yup, I'm American, make of it what you want, but our Presidents have always had command of the military, whether they intervened or not. The constitution of eAus states it.
If you don't like this, lets either make a change to how the system works or vote the cp out at the next election.
Maybe we should make a rule that one person can only hold either the cp role or the mod/marshall (and never both!).
Surely having both rolls would put a strain on how much could be achieved?
What ever happened to the NSA?
If Timeoin was a 'threat to national security', wouldn't the NSA step in and advise the ADF Marshall?
blind freddy can see what he is doing. there is no need for a government intelligence agency to figure it out.
'The current constitution was approved by referendum'
That's actually a bit of a mistake caused by the wording in the policies. The original constitution to put it into power was passed solely by a senate vote. Following that a revision was voted on by referendum, but that is not exactly a sign of acceptance because it was either a bad constitution or a worse one.
A reminder to Infin: As a member of cabinet, it looks bad that you are continuing to troll me after your boss signed a statement saying that this would cease (and that is all I am saying to this effect)
Let the tanks roll in to eParliament.
Neil.
In what way is removing someone from the Military for personal reasons justified? Whether or not DD is the Chief of the Defence Force, whether or not he does have the "authority" to intervene in a fake organization in a game, it is not something that myself, and no doubt other eAustralians, want to see. The position of Country President is to serve the PEOPLE. Not to serve oneself. And it seems clear as day that DD is serving himself in this instance.
"CP is the boss" only dogs got a boss 😉
lol
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